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Old 4th February 2020, 12:33 PM   #1
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Why is it always "The Great state of [insert state name here]?"

Everywhere one turns in US media, when some personage is introduced they're almost invariably from "the Great state of Kentucky", or "the Great state of Vermont", etc. Or when pols are yakking about folk somewhere; it's always the "Great" state they live in.

If they're *all* Great, then none are. Why this odd affectation? What other self-confident nation does this? Up here, we don't have peeps being hailed in this smarmy fashion as from "the Great province of Saskatchewan." If they are, it's seldom enough to maybe mean something.

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For the same reason it's always, "Ladies and gentlemen" even though they often aren't: manners.
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Old US political tradition; please note both parties do it.
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Originally Posted by Lurch View Post
Everywhere one turns in US media, when some personage is introduced they're almost invariably from "the Great state of Kentucky", or "the Great state of Vermont", etc. Or when pols are yakking about folk somewhere; it's always the "Great" state they live in.

If they're *all* Great, then none are. Why this odd affectation? What other self-confident nation does this? Up here, we don't have peeps being hailed in this smarmy fashion as from "the Great province of Saskatchewan."
Americans and Canadians are different and do things in a different way. Surprise.
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It's actually "The Great State of..." for every state except Florida which is officially "The State of... *Pause, deep sigh* Florida."
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Old 4th February 2020, 12:47 PM   #6
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If they're *all* Great, then none are.
Depends on your basis of comparison. If you're only comparing states to each other, then yes. If you allow comparisons with other countries, then in principle they can all be great.

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Why this odd affectation?
Because if you want people to vote for you, you compliment them.

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What other self-confident nation does this? Up here, we don't have peeps being hailed in this smarmy fashion as from "the Great province of Saskatchewan." If they are, it's seldom enough to maybe mean something.
We are a union of states. Canada is not a union of provinces. State identity means something more in the US than it does in many other countries.
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What adjectives rhyme with province or territory? The answer is none or your politicians would be doing it too. Its the same reason musicians say, "Are you ready to rock insert the name of your city hear!"


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It's actually "The Great State of..." for every state except Florida which is officially "The State of... *Pause, deep sigh whispers, are you sure its a state, really?* Florida."
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It's also something he heard often from an entertainment colleague, who is "A great... entertainer... A great... humanitarian... and my deepest, closest friend for (umpty-ump) years!"
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If I were a politician, I'd start changing things up. Instead of "Great state of..." I'd start referring to them as "The awesome state of... " or the "state that totally kicks butt...".

Except for Florida, in which case I would refer to it as "America's wang... Florida".
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
It's actually "The Great State of..." for every state except Florida which is officially "The State of... *Pause, deep sigh* Florida."
At least people have heard of it. Bring up NoDak and the blank stare you get in return is expected.
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Because no one wants a video clip of them referring to "the mediocre state of wherever" showing up in one of their opponent's attack ads. It's like the whole "God bless the United States" line the President always uses. It's become standard boilerplate, and they'll be excoriated if they fail to include it now.
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At least people have heard of it. Bring up NoDak and the blank stare you get in return is expected.
"Grandpa that flag only has 49 stars."
"It will be a cold day in Hell before I recognize Missouri!"
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"Grandpa that flag only has 49 stars."
"It will be a cold day in Hell before I recognize Missouri!"
Thanks to Trump, you don't have to. Just assume its all part of Kansas!
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
"Grandpa that flag only has 49 stars."
"It will be a cold day in Hell before I recognize Missouri!"
In 2008 a crew of us went to a Yankees game in NY (last season of old Yankees Stadium). I was drunkenly **** talking when my buddy next to me asked if I wanted to come with him to the bathroom and I said, "Oh fer sure" (which must have gave me away). I was ridiculed for the rest of the game because NYorkers thought we still rode horses and ****.

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Thanks to Trump, you don't have to. Just assume its all part of Kansas!
I had a few friends that said, "That's an easy mistake to make. I mean, come on".

No, it's really not.
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Because no politician would have the unmitigated audacity to say anything less. In other words, it's being a pandering kiss-ass.
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It’s nearly always said sarcastically.
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In 2008 a crew of us went to a Yankees game in NY (last season of old Yankees Stadium). I was drunkenly **** talking when my buddy next to me asked if I wanted to come with him to the bathroom and I said, "Oh fer sure" (which must have gave me away). I was ridiculed for the rest of the game because NYorkers thought we still rode horses and ****.



I had a few friends that said, "That's an easy mistake to make. I mean, come on".

No, it's really not.
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It’s nearly always said sarcastically.
True. I mean, can you even keep a straight face when saying "The Great State of Mississippi"?
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Everywhere one turns in US media, when some personage is introduced they're almost invariably from "the Great state of Kentucky", or "the Great state of Vermont", etc. Or when pols are yakking about folk somewhere; it's always the "Great" state they live in.

If they're *all* Great, then none are. Why this odd affectation? What other self-confident nation does this? Up here, we don't have peeps being hailed in this smarmy fashion as from "the Great province of Saskatchewan." If they are, it's seldom enough to maybe mean something.
This seems like a really weird and mean spirited thing to complain about. Is there something else bugging you?

Or is life so good that you literally have no more serious problems on your mind?
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Originally Posted by Lurch View Post
Everywhere one turns in US media, when some personage is introduced they're almost invariably from "the Great state of Kentucky", or "the Great state of Vermont", etc. Or when pols are yakking about folk somewhere; it's always the "Great" state they live in.

If they're *all* Great, then none are. Why this odd affectation? What other self-confident nation does this? Up here, we don't have peeps being hailed in this smarmy fashion as from "the Great province of Saskatchewan." If they are, it's seldom enough to maybe mean something.


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This seems like a really weird and mean spirited thing to complain about. Is there something else bugging you?

Or is life so good that you literally have no more serious problems on your mind?
I'd thank your for your concern if I knew it to be genuine. If something else was bugging me I'd bring up that something else.

I can kind of understand pols doing this to suck up. But numerous talking head interviewers (e.g., Rachel Maddow) do this a lot. It comes across as a meaningless, reflexive tic of sorts. Again, if all are Great (except Florida, it seems ), then none are Great.

It's not unlike the habit of folks asking someone, "How are you?", when often the last thing on their mind is the other's state of being. Before the words are uttered, their mind is already forgetting, having moved to what they really want. That reminds me...

We had an infamous, opinionated, right-leaning AM radio talking head who made it well known that he didn't respond to being asked how he was. Every show he'd get callers asking anyway, to which the producer often played a cannon shot. You could tell that the reflexive question was asked *only* because it was pure habit, given the instant embarrassment shown by some number of those callers, especially if the *previous* caller was so handled while they listened in the queue.

In this interrogative I take an iconoclastic stance of my own by responding with, "Fair to middlin'." If the inquisitor is actually listening, how often it induces a pause, with quizzical look. The drivel of the disingenuous two-step of the "How are you?" followed by the expected, Pavlovian "Good", bores and irritates. It's even beneath what we call small talk.

And this "Great state of..." nonsense irritates because of its general insincerity and outlandish frequency. I guess I prefer vocal expression to be more genuine. Obvious tripe is bad enough from the people in one's life. Those paid to communicate on a large stage get rather less concilliation from me.

Anyhoo, there are indeed innumerable other and more important issues to occupy a concerned mind. But some of us can diversify, which process is facilitated by not wallowing in endless, time-wasting, circular argument that unrolls over dozens of pages on a discussion forum. Something a little different must surely serve as a welcome diversion from the tedium, however momentary.
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"The darkly sensual state of Michigan"
"The rambunctiously titillating state of Virgina"
"The oh-so-coy but come-hither state of Wyoming"
"The beefalicious slab of prime state meat that is Connecticut"
"The audaciously fey and supremely fabulous state of Texas"
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I'd thank your for your concern if I knew it to be genuine. If something else was bugging me I'd bring up that something else.

I can kind of understand pols doing this to suck up. But numerous talking head interviewers (e.g., Rachel Maddow) do this a lot. It comes across as a meaningless, reflexive tic of sorts. Again, if all are Great (except Florida, it seems ), then none are Great.

It's not unlike the habit of folks asking someone, "How are you?", when often the last thing on their mind is the other's state of being. Before the words are uttered, their mind is already forgetting, having moved to what they really want. That reminds me...

We had an infamous, opinionated, right-leaning AM radio talking head who made it well known that he didn't respond to being asked how he was. Every show he'd get callers asking anyway, to which the producer often played a cannon shot. You could tell that the reflexive question was asked *only* because it was pure habit, given the instant embarrassment shown by some number of those callers, especially if the *previous* caller was so handled while they listened in the queue.

In this interrogative I take an iconoclastic stance of my own by responding with, "Fair to middlin'." If the inquisitor is actually listening, how often it induces a pause, with quizzical look. The drivel of the disingenuous two-step of the "How are you?" followed by the expected, Pavlovian "Good", bores and irritates. It's even beneath what we call small talk.

And this "Great state of..." nonsense irritates because of its general insincerity and outlandish frequency. I guess I prefer vocal expression to be more genuine. Obvious tripe is bad enough from the people in one's life. Those paid to communicate on a large stage get rather less concilliation from me.

Anyhoo, there are indeed innumerable other and more important issues to occupy a concerned mind. But some of us can diversify, which process is facilitated by not wallowing in endless, time-wasting, circular argument that unrolls over dozens of pages on a discussion forum. Something a little different must surely serve as a welcome diversion from the tedium, however momentary.


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"The darkly sensual state of Michigan"
"The rambunctiously titillating state of Virgina"
"The oh-so-coy but come-hither state of Wyoming"
"The beefalicious slab of prime state meat that is Connecticut"
"The audaciously fey and supremely fabulous state of Texas"
I've never thought of Texas as gay, but then again, it's just lying there with its panhandle standing up big and hard, just begging for you to enter Galveston Bay.
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I've never thought of Texas as gay, but then again, it's just lying there with its panhandle standing up big and hard, just begging for you to enter Galveston Bay.

Texas is as straight as America's armed forces.
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All states are great, just as all countries are great, because all residents need to feel more special than the guys next door. It’s to do with inferiority complex.
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All states are great, just as all countries are great, because all residents need to feel more special than the guys next door. It’s to do with inferiority complex.
Don't encourage this.
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How else are we supposed to contrast our States with the ****hole countries?

See, we are saying all of OUR States are great. But other Sovereign States? They honk on Bobo, metaphorically.
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Don't encourage this.
Do you think some states are “greater” than others?
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Do you think some states are “greater” than others?
New Jersey is introduced as The Greatest State, but you might miss that while they fire off the pyrotechnics
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Don't encourage this.
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Everywhere one turns in US media, when some personage is introduced they're almost invariably from "the Great state of Kentucky", or "the Great state of Vermont", etc. Or when pols are yakking about folk somewhere; it's always the "Great" state they live in.
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New Jersey is introduced as The Greatest State, but you might miss that while they fire off the pyrotechnics
The Garden State?
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Just be glad Trump hasn’t started trash-talking States he doesn’t like. The **** Hole State of California, perhaps?
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Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
The Garden State?
Of Eden, yes
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Just be glad Trump hasn’t started trash-talking States he doesn’t like. The **** Hole State of California, perhaps?
Give him time.
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"The darkly sensual state of Michigan"
"The rambunctiously titillating state of Virgina"
"The oh-so-coy but come-hither state of Wyoming"
"The beefalicious slab of prime state meat that is Connecticut"
"The audaciously fey and supremely fabulous state of Texas"
The annoyingly woo and self-aggrandizing state of California.
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AMERICA can't be MADE GREAT AGAIN until each individual state is assigned that description explicitly.
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