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Old 5th February 2020, 07:05 AM   #41
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
These idiotic moments of Pelosi throwing shade at Trump might be more meaningful if she was actually doing anything substantial with her power to resist him.
Yup. If you think about it she's on level of Susan Collins.

The only difference Susan Collins makes some big showy symbolic gesture and then chooses to just let Trump do what ever he wants while Nancy Pelosi makes some big showy symbolic gesture and then... has to let Trump do whatever he wants because right now the Democrats have a political power rating somewhere between a small town Boy Scout troop and the Frairs Club.

Sure the base morality is different but at the end of the day there's doing exactly functionally the same thing.
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Trouble is, I don't have a blind clue about the answer.
I don't think it's really necessary to have an answer.
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I don't think it's really necessary to have an answer.

Well, I'm guessing Nancy didn't do it spontaneously? She and her team must have calculated, somehow, that it was a worthwhile display.


And you're right, it's not necessary to know the answer, but I'd really like to be able to work it out. (An unfeasible skill that would make me the finest campaign manager in the world.)
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I have to say, I'm not all that concerned about all the Trumpets pearl clutching over Pelosi tearing up the speech.

It just giving them the vapors, isn't it?
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Old 5th February 2020, 07:27 AM   #45
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I have to say, I'm not all that concerned about all the Trumpets pearl clutching over Pelosi tearing up the speech.

It just giving them the vapors, isn't it?

My guess would be it has no effect at all.

Then again, I really can't wrap my head around the fact that there are "undecideds" in this race. To me, even more confusing even than finding Trump a desirable president is not being sure one way or the other. I just can't wrap my head around that.
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Old 5th February 2020, 07:27 AM   #46
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I have to say, I'm not all that concerned about all the Trumpets pearl clutching over Pelosi tearing up the speech.

It just giving them the vapors, isn't it?
I'm not concerned at all. It's like being concerned that the tide is going to go in and out, it's gonna happen.

I'm concerned that there's thinkpieces on the front page CNN about how Pelosi ripping up Trump speech was "effective"* and my social media feeds are full of the "YAS MA QUEEN! THAT SHOWED HIM!" nonsense that SuburbanTurkey mentioned.

*CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/05/media...rip/index.html
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A. State of Union of Addresses have never been anything more than campaign speeches or a bully pulpit for a president to advance their agenda. We should go back to the President just sending over a letter or maybe switch to something like the British do with questions for the PM parliamentary bitch sessions.

B. Was this any different from the now traditional opposition party rebuttal to the state of the union that has been done for the atleast last 20 years?

C. I have no idea because I realized quite a while ago how stupid the whole thing is. The one good thing about Trump is that maybe some of my fellow citizens will finally realize that we shouldn't give the president so much respect on account of their being the president.
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Pelosi arrested in pre-dawn raid by the Cringe Police.
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Before all the Partisan nonsense begins, I have to agree. There's still decorum and respect for the offices in question, even if you don't like the people in the role at the time. When you sink so low to become so petty, it's a sad development. Yes, the speech was painful but Pelosi was really no better.
I cheered when she did it, as I did when that one Democrat walked out on him. I wish they ALL had and then the media loop it over and over for the rest of the speech!
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Because it does.... your leading questions are obvious.
"Decorum" has gotten us nowhere. Time to be rude!
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She did just try to remove him from office. I think skipping the handshake this time around is perfectly reasonable.
And tearing up the pack of lies is more than reasonable. I wish she'd spit in his face.
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I presume Pelosi's theatrics were designed to do exactly what they're doing: steal the spotlight from Trump. It must be driving him batty(-er) that she's sucking up all the oxygen in the media today. That was the point.
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I presume Pelosi's theatrics were designed to do exactly what they're doing: steal the spotlight from Trump. It must be driving him batty(-er) that she's sucking up all the oxygen in the media today. That was the point.
"Ripping up Trump's speech" doesn't take the spotlight off of Trump, it's still about him.

He's a troll, he feeds on negative attention as much as positive.
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I wish she'd spit in his face.
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I cheered when she did it, as I did when that one Democrat walked out on him. I wish they ALL had and then the media loop it over and over for the rest of the speech!
Your midsent represents 60% of the Political Divide in the country and will never acknowledge it, but by all means yell at cspan all day, getting all that awareness raised.
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Full disclosure - I did not watch or listen to the speech. I just saw a Gif file of Pelosi ripping it in half.

Does anyone remember, when Trump first got elected, there was a lot of reporting on how he tore up his notes, speeches, etc., into little pieces? Like, archivists for official records were said to be taping them back together. Maybe she was just helping Trump out here.
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"Decorum" has gotten us nowhere. Time to be rude!
And if it were Bernie, and a filthy Republican did it, who would be screaming fowl with all that delightful Outrage fatigue fueling it...?
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And if it were Bernie, and a filthy Republican did it, who would be screaming fowl with all that delightful Outrage fatigue fueling it...?
You? Just askin'

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Her ripping up the speech seems to have had an effect. We're (and by 'we' I include the media) are spending more time talking about that simple gesture than the contents of the orange manatee's speech. She's almost deplatforming the president. That's a good thing.
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Twitter misses your insight.
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You? Just askin'
Guess again...
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I presume Pelosi's theatrics were designed to do exactly what they're doing: steal the spotlight from Trump. It must be driving him batty(-er) that she's sucking up all the oxygen in the media today. That was the point.
People have been talking for the past three years about all the stuff that's being done to get under Trump's skin, and how it's super effective at driving him crazy. I don't think we're actually seeing any payoff from this, though. Trump just keeps Trumpin', about the same every day, week in and week out.

You're getting inside Trump's head and really screwing with his inner life, and pretty soon he's going to lose it and do something really crazy. Like drone a terrorist general. Or hold another rally. Or say something petty and mean about a public figure on Twitter. Because of how much your stealing the spotlight from him really upsets him inside.

Later today, the Senate is supposed to vote on removing Trump from office. Most of yesterday was taken up by the clown show in Iowa. But for almost twelve hours, mostly overnight, while Trump's SOTU address was briefly the top news item, Nancy Pelosi grabbed the attention. I wonder what wild and crazy thing Trump is going to do today, to help himself get over the burn. Maybe he'll ask for the extra large saltshakers at lunch today. That's how you know you're really getting his goat. When he has to ask for the power condiments.

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Printed transcripts of speeches are somehow so significant that simply tearing one up is a sign of lowering standards?
Imagine if Her Majesty The Queen gave her address to Parliament, and while she was still in the chamber an MP, while the camera was on him, ripped up the transcript of the speech. That's basically what happened last night.

And after some consideration I decided good on her for doing it. Trump has already lowered the standards with his name calling, personal attacks, and general disregard for decency. If you want to fight with him, you have to go down to the gutter where he lives.
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Regarding the Iowa caucuses, Greg Gutfeld said, "This was the Democrats' first day of school and they showed up in their underwear." LOL.

Anyway, Pelosi tore up the paper because Trump is winning on all fronts and she's got nothing left except hissy fits. Of course, loser Pelosi knew her fake news media arm would paint it as a brilliant strategic move. Durham is coming, and it isn't going to be pretty for the Dems. Pretty much all downhill for them, culminating in an inevitable November collapse, with Americans being unwilling to swap a great president and economy for Comrade Bernie and his disastrous socialist plans.
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Imagine if Her Majesty The Queen gave her address to Parliament, and while she was still in the chamber an MP, while the camera was on him, ripped up the transcript of the speech. That's basically what happened last night.
Yeah except for Donald Trump not being a Monarch, yet anyway, that's exactly like what happened.
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Imagine if Her Majesty The Queen gave her address to Parliament, and while she was still in the chamber an MP, while the camera was on him, ripped up the transcript of the speech. That's basically what happened last night.


I don't think it is at all.
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...loser Pelosi...

Just cos Trump does it, it doesn't make it classy. Or effective.
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People have been talking for the past three years about all the stuff that's being done to get under Trump's skin, and how it's super effective at driving him crazy. I don't think we're actually seeing any payoff from this, though. Trump just keeps Trumpin', about the same every day, week in and week out.

You're getting inside Trump's head and really screwing with his inner life, and pretty soon he's going to lose it and do something really crazy. Like drone a terrorist general. Or hold another rally. Or say something petty and mean about a public figure on Twitter. Because of how much your stealing the spotlight from him really upsets him inside.

Later today, the Senate is supposed to vote on removing Trump from office. Most of yesterday was taken up by the clown show in Iowa. But for almost twelve hours, mostly overnight, while Trump's SOTU address was briefly the top news item, Nancy Pelosi grabbed the attention. I wonder what wild and crazy thing Trump is going to do today, to help himself get over the burn. Maybe he'll ask for the extra large saltshakers at lunch today. That's how you know you're really getting his goat. When he has to ask for the power condiments.


Face it, he could literally wipe his ass with the Constitution on national TV and many of his supporters would gloat about he was triggering the liberals.
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Trump gave the most divisive SOU I've ever heard. No problem with her ripping it up.
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One should expect some professionalism in a Nationally Broadcasted speech from Both Sides. It's petty and Unprofessional on her part, yes. And yes as a country we know she's not a Trumper, but she can be professional nonethelss.
She didn't make any speech and she introduced him in a neutral manner, she also offered a handshake.
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I presume Pelosi's theatrics were designed to do exactly what they're doing: steal the spotlight from Trump. It must be driving him batty(-er) that she's sucking up all the oxygen in the media today. That was the point.
Yes.
It wasn’t about voters and changing any minds. It was about annoying him so much that he makes a gaffe or has a Captain-Queeg moment on TV.
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Or... it was petty theatrics from a petty member of the Left, there's no false equivalence. In the Obama years, they were petty and even bigoted even, now in the Trump years it's the left doing it. Both sides do it, it's basically cyclical and neither is better than the other, deal with it.
Who refused the apparently traditional handshake?
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Who refused the apparently traditional handshake?
Factor in that one is trying to impeach the other, and the President doesn't bow for the Emperor in japan either. Ripping up the speech was petty and frankly stupid.
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Face it, he could literally wipe his ass with the Constitution on national TV and many of his supporters would gloat about he was triggering the liberals. : rolleyes :
Probably. And it would probably be silly for them to do so. Just like it's probably silly to gloat that Pelosi's antics are triggering Trump.

Are they really triggering him? How would you know the difference from his usual behavior? Is there any real payoff from this triggering? Would you even really want to trigger him, like, for real?
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Donald Trump routinely calls people names, says that people who oppose him have low iqs, and, as President of the United States, actually referred to a woman as "horse face".

He has lowered the bar on dignity far too low for his opponents to fit under it, but it's amusing to see his defenders get upset that Pelosi reached down to try and grab it.
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Probably. And it would probably be silly for them to do so. Just like it's probably silly to gloat that Pelosi's antics are triggering Trump.

Are they really triggering him? How would you know the difference from his usual behavior? Is there any real payoff from this triggering? Would you even really want to trigger him, like, for real?

I was thinking that. Observing that the loony has his hand on the button* and then poking him with a stick may not be the best idea in the world.





(*Possibly metaphorically. I know you've spoken of this before)
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Imagine if Her Majesty The Queen gave her address to Parliament, and while she was still in the chamber an MP, while the camera was on him, ripped up the transcript of the speech. That's basically what happened last night.



And after some consideration I decided good on her for doing it. Trump has already lowered the standards with his name calling, personal attacks, and general disregard for decency. If you want to fight with him, you have to go down to the gutter where he lives.
It would take a lot more than ripping up a speech to lower the standards of our MPs.
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Factor in that one is trying to impeach the other, and the President doesn't bow for the Emperor in japan either. Ripping up the speech was petty and frankly stupid.
I thought it was about "respecting the office" and surely the state of the nation is more important than two transient politicians personal opinions of one another?
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Originally Posted by 3point14 View Post
Just cos Trump does it, it doesn't make it classy. Or effective.
Impeachment was a long and ugly battle with Pelosi leading the Dems in an attempt to undo the election of Trump and losing big. Instead of taking down Trump, it looks like she made Trump more popular and took down Biden, although clearly his gaffe-a-day campaign has certainly contributed. Plus, Trump will ensure the Bidens' corruption gets ample exposure after the vote today. Pelosi will now be trying to cling to power as the Comrade Bernie and The Squad try to drag her down their path, which is the losing path. Betcha she hops on board anyway, hoping for a miracle like she did with impeachment.
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Old 5th February 2020, 09:20 AM   #80
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Originally Posted by BrooklynBaby View Post
Regarding the Iowa caucuses, Greg Gutfeld said, "This was the Democrats' first day of school and they showed up in their underwear." LOL.

Anyway, Pelosi tore up the paper because Trump is winning on all fronts and she's got nothing left except hissy fits. Of course, loser Pelosi knew her fake news media arm would paint it as a brilliant strategic move. Durham is coming, and it isn't going to be pretty for the Dems. Pretty much all downhill for them, culminating in an inevitable November collapse, with Americans being unwilling to swap a great president and economy for Comrade Bernie and his disastrous socialist plans.
Trump gave one of the most dishonest SOTU speeches of all time.

Democrats have a right to treat it with contempt.
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