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Old 5th February 2020, 12:17 PM   #121
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Originally Posted by rockysmith76 View Post
Your midsent represents 60% of the Political Divide in the country and will never acknowledge it, but by all means yell at cspan all day, getting all that awareness raised.
Midsent?
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Old 5th February 2020, 12:20 PM   #122
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Imagine if Her Majesty The Queen gave her address to Parliament, and while she was still in the chamber an MP, while the camera was on him, ripped up the transcript of the speech. That's basically what happened last night.

And after some consideration I decided good on her for doing it. Trump has already lowered the standards with his name calling, personal attacks, and general disregard for decency. If you want to fight with him, you have to go down to the gutter where he lives.
Pelosi's polite paper shredding was a long way from Trump's gutter.
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Old 5th February 2020, 12:24 PM   #123
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Originally Posted by rockysmith76 View Post
It's maybe about respect for the "Office", not the person, and some decorum, not petty partisan hypocrisy sorta like "It's okay when WE do it...."

It's not.
And, again, if Dolt 45 learns to respect the office, congress, rule of law, the Constitution, and the American people, we'll talk - and he'll be able to give a very different speech, and possibly even become a good president for once. Or a good father. Or a good husband. Or, just a halfway decent person.

As it stands, I think he, and those who voted for him, have shown utter contempt for all of the above. And thus, I have nothing but contempt for them. And before you even say it, I'm absolutely unfit to be president.
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Old 5th February 2020, 12:25 PM   #124
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
I thought it was about "respecting the office" and surely the state of the nation is more important than two transient politicians personal opinions of one another?
There is currently no office to respect. It's on a hiatus.
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
When I first saw the thread title, before visiting some other sites, I figured "ripping up" was figurative. Wow.
I see am not the only one saying we have seen nothing like this in Congress since the 1850's, when one congressman beat another with a walking stick in a debate over slavery.
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Old 5th February 2020, 12:26 PM   #126
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I cheered when she did it, as I did when that one Democrat walked out on him. I wish they ALL had and then the media loop it over and over for the rest of the speech!
I thought the guy that walked out was actually the father of one of the Parkland victims - although he'd likely not be fond of the GOP, he's not necessarily a dem either.
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
When I first saw the thread title, before visiting some other sites, I figured "ripping up" was figurative. Wow.
I expected it to be about her rebuttal to the SOTU address.
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Old 5th February 2020, 12:33 PM   #128
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I see am not the only one saying we have seen nothing like this in Congress since the 1850's, when one congressman beat another with a walking stick in a debate over slavery.
Preston Brook beat Charles Sumner, who was sitting at his desk writing letters - while Lawrence Keitt held off everyone else with a pistol.

When he was eventually goaded into challenging someone to a duel, Brook pretty much wimped out, and died not long after.

Just wanted to emphasize the cowardice of Brook

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Before all the Partisan nonsense begins, I have to agree. There's still decorum and respect for the offices in question, even if you don't like the people in the role at the time. When you sink so low to become so petty, it's a sad development. Yes, the speech was painful but Pelosi was really no better.
There is also such thing as respect for others. Trump neither respects others or his office.

Trump has made it impossible for others to treat him with any respect. The day Trump respects his office by respecting others and not gaslighting the country will be the day his office and him merits respect.
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OK, now do the Democrats.
I await your parallel analysis. Go.
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I don't see why it should be such a big deal that Pelosi ripped up the speech. Trump has no respect for his office, and no respect for hers either. I don't think it's reasonable to compare Trump and his presidency with any other. Anyone who ***** on truth and decency as he does has no kick coming.

Interestingly, the little I've heard of the speech (not really interested enough to listen to it all), suggests it was not such a bad speech, in terms of the rhetoric. Unfortunately the same little I heard was all pompous puffery and lies. I guess you can't have everything.
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I see am not the only one saying we have seen nothing like this in Congress since the 1850's, when one congressman beat another with a walking stick in a debate over slavery.
How are these two incidents even remotely comparable?
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The speech-ripping was certainly one of the most significant points about the event yesterday. But, what if that had not been done? What would be the talking points on the news today? Trump's handshake snub? Not even in the same league.
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Old 5th February 2020, 12:55 PM   #134
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I expected it to be about her rebuttal to the SOTU address.
Me too, now that I know what its actually about, I wish I hadn't gotten involved. Its much more silly than I expected.

Is ChristianProgressive for real? He comes across as a ham fisted parody by coneservatives, an anti-poe?
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People have also been talking for the past three years about all the stuff Trump has done to get under libtards' skins, and how it's super effective at driving them crazy. I also don't think we're seeing any payoff from this, though.

Almost seems like there is an underlying universal language of dickishness at play here...
You see dickishness, I see at a minimum, standing up to the bastard.
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Pelosi's ripping up her copy of a speech after the conclusion of the speech is grossly dwarfed by a representative yelling "you lie" during the speech. It seems roughly equivalent to a supreme court justice mouthing disagreement during the speech. Hardly worth mentioning.
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BREAKING NEWS: PELOSI PLANNED TO RIP UP THE SPEECH ALL ALONG!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ip-speech.html
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If Trump didn't take such pride in pissing all over tradition perhaps more people would follow it. If you want to wear the badge of "I don't do norms" then so should others.

Besides, the speech was ******* obnoxious. I've seen boy band concerts without as many doe-eyed fluffers in the room. Every sentence required a standing ovation. I can't imagine how small Trump's...self esteem is to need such constant massaging. In the words of Eddie Murphy, "Tell Trump to grab a Coke and a smile and shut the **** up."
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What Pelosi did with the speech is what Democrats hope their next President will do with the entire Trump term in office.
It was a powerful gesture, as demonstrated by the waves it has created.

Given how Trump has treated Pelosi, he should be glad that she didn't give him a paddling while he was in her House.
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"I didn't see her do it. I found out just a few moments later, and I think it was a new low. I wasn't sure if she was ripping up the speech or ripping up the Constitution," Pence said in an interview on "Fox & Friends."
What a sack of excrement.
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What Pelosi did with the speech is what Democrats hope their next President will do with the entire Trump term in office.
It was a powerful gesture, as demonstrated by the waves it has created.

Given how Trump has treated Pelosi, he should be glad that she didn't give him a paddling while he was in her House.
This is the way I see it as well. I think that we're going to remember this moment.
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
I expected it to be about her rebuttal to the SOTU address.
Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
What Pelosi did with the speech is what Democrats hope their next President will do with the entire Trump term in office.
It was a powerful gesture, as demonstrated by the waves it has created.

Given how Trump has treated Pelosi, he should be glad that she didn't give him a paddling while he was in her House.
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This is the way I see it as well. I think that we're going to remember this moment.
Meh, it is a profoundly silly moment that will quickly be forgotten. I'm really quite amused, amazed, and saddened by the response to it. Not by the actually act, it was just silly, just that the reaction to it as though its anything but silly.
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Preston Brook beat Charles Sumner, who was sitting at his desk writing letters - while Lawrence Keitt held off everyone else with a pistol.

When he was eventually goaded into challenging someone to a duel, Brook pretty much wimped out, and died not long after.

Just wanted to emphasize the cowardice of Brook
Died in intense pain from some reports. Perhaps a touch of justice in the universe there.
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Anyone who treats this like a big deal has been in a coma for several years.
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BREAKING NEWS: PELOSI PLANNED TO RIP UP THE SPEECH ALL ALONG!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ip-speech.html

THAT'S ACCEPTABLE WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE FACT THAT IT'S A GIVEN TRUMP WILL LIE IN THE SPEECH.
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I see am not the only one saying we have seen nothing like this in Congress since...
...a few minutes earlier, when POTUS refused to shake a woman's hand like some Islamist patriarch.
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THAT'S ACCEPTABLE WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE FACT THAT IT'S A GIVEN TRUMP WILL LIE IN THE SPEECH.
???

Of course Pelosi was planning to do it all along.

And please don't mistake me for one of the "it's unacceptable" folks.
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...a few minutes earlier, when POTUS refused to shake a woman's hand like some Islamist patriarch.
She just tried to remove him from office. Why begrudge him a lack of handshake?
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???

Of course Pelosi was planning to do it all along.

I didn't say she wasn't.

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And please don't mistake me for one of the "it's unacceptable" folks.

I didn't say you were.
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BREAKING NEWS: PELOSI PLANNED TO RIP UP THE SPEECH ALL ALONG!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ip-speech.html
And her planning to rip it up makes her actions better or worse? Be sure to explain your answer focusing on the "how" and "why" her actions being planned makes them better or worse.
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Is ChristianProgressive for real? He comes across as a ham fisted parody by coneservatives, an anti-poe?

Odd choice of thread to express that sentiment in since what he has said here is perfectly appropriate to the situation. Trump's speech was a total disgrace and so was the Republican reaction to it.
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Ah, the pearl-clutching, couch-fainting always-Trumpers (and others), their feelings all hurt in sympathy with their pussy-grabbing president; the man whose heroes are the ones who don't get captured, whose personal Viet-Nam was not contracting an STD while those he mocked were being held and tortured at the Hanoi Hilton; the man who mocks the disabled for the ***** and giggle of his sycophants, and refers to those accusing him of sexual assault as not good-looking enough for him to rape.

The very idea of this good man's good words being torn asunder is too much for his followers to bear.
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And her planning to rip it up makes her actions better or worse? Be sure to explain your answer focusing on the "how" and "why" her actions being planned makes them better or worse.
OLOL. Will I lose points if I don't follow APA writing guidelines?

I don't actually have a problem with what she did. Her having apparently planned it at least a few minutes in advance doesn't change my calculus one way or the other.

My only - only! - problem with the SOTU address is that it happens at all. Given that it happens anyway, I write off pretty much everything that happens at the event as political theater. Which is what it is. For sure Trump planned his bit of yesterday's theater for weeks, at least. Rep Ilhan planned her bit of theater. So what if Pelosi planned hers?

It might have been more fun if we had seen a spontaneous reaction in the moment, something more human than politician. But I don't begrudge her planning it in advance.

Do you?
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Your midsent represents 60% of the Political Divide in the country and will never acknowledge it, but by all means yell at cspan all day, getting all that awareness raised.
Please, enough of this "you're part of the problem" nonsense while you ignore the elephant in the room. And if you do acknowledge it it's nowhere on the same degree on both sides.
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Ah, the pearl-clutching, couch-fainting always-Trumpers (and others), their feelings all hurt in sympathy with their pussy-grabbing president; the man whose heroes are the ones who don't get captured, whose personal Viet-Nam was not contracting an STD while those he mocked were being held and tortured at the Hanoi Hilton; the man who mocks the disabled for the ***** and giggle of his sycophants, and refers to those accusing him of sexual assault as not good-looking enough for him to rape.

The very idea of this good man's good words being torn asunder is too much for his followers to bear.
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I see am not the only one saying we have seen nothing like this in Congress since the 1850's, when one congressman beat another with a walking stick in a debate over slavery.
Seriously? Joe Wilson in 2010. Yelling "you lie" during the SOTU is far far worse than ripping up a speech after it's conclusion.
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Please, enough of this "you're part of the problem" nonsense while you ignore the elephant in the room. And if you do acknowledge it it's nowhere on the same degree on both sides.
THIS.
I am not sure that Pelosi's response was the best choice, but Trump is the guy who really, really, is ripping norms to hell.
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Your midsent represents 60% of the Political Divide in the country and will never acknowledge it, but by all means yell at cspan all day, getting all that awareness raised.
Nah, B. I'd be fine okay (not great, but okay) with actual conservatives. When it comes to these "Law and order - and the order is straight white men in front, straight white women in the kitchen, and everyone else in a coffin" proto-fascist radicals, **** 'em. They're the problem.

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Why the divisive rhetoric Mumbles? Can't we all GET ALONG!??

why do we have to do one thing over another? I get that you stick up for the blacks and gays.
I stand with traditional marriage
I think men deserve rights too
All politicians are corrupt.
All politicians lie
All media is biased
All LIVES MATTER!
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Originally Posted by Mumbles View Post
Preston Brook beat Charles Sumner, who was sitting at his desk writing letters - while Lawrence Keitt held off everyone else with a pistol.

When he was eventually goaded into challenging someone to a duel, Brook pretty much wimped out, and died not long after.

Just wanted to emphasize the cowardice of Brook
And Bully Brooks got sent hundreds of gift walking sticks from the South after the incident.
It's not obscure.it's considered a major landmark on the road to the Civil War.
Of course you could make the case that the Civil War had already started in Bleeding Kansas.
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