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Old 15th January 2018, 11:20 PM   #1
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13 victims, ages 2 to 29, kept shackled by parents

13 victims, ages 2 to 29, kept shackled in foul Perris home by parents, officials say

I'm guessing religion plays a big part in this.

'I didn't even know kids were living there': Horrified neighbors say they cannot believe couple 'shackled their 13 emaciated children to beds' after teen girl escaped and called 911
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Old 16th January 2018, 12:50 AM   #2
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
I'm guessing mental health issues are more likely.
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Old 16th January 2018, 12:54 AM   #3
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Originally Posted by MikeG View Post
I'm guessing mental health issues are more likely.
Further confirmation from the grandparents:

Grandparents say 'God called' on Perris couple to have so many children

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James and Betty Turpin, who live in West Virginia, said David and Louise had so many children because "God called on them."

They were given "very strict homeschooling," and would memorize long passages in the Bible, the grandparents said. Some children tried to memorize it in its entirety.

While David and Louise were in the Pentecostal faith, they did not have a church in the area and David's parents knew of no friends that the couple had.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentecostalism

My own impression of Pentecostalism is that it is a particularly "fundamentalist" flavor of Protestantism. Known for their "speaking in tongues" among other things. Faith healing too.
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Over a dozen kids, overbearing parents who think squalor and torture is the correct way to raise children; certainly sounds like one of those quiver-full cells. But, there's still a chance it isn't.

Particularly sad that they were all so malnourished and emaciated the police initially thought they were all literally children while 7 of them were actually adults.

ETA: hadn't seen the above post yet. So yes, a quiver-full cell.
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
Over a dozen kids, overbearing parents who think squalor and torture is the correct way to raise children; certainly sounds like one of those quiver-full cells. But, there's still a chance it isn't.

Particularly sad that they were all so malnourished and emaciated the police initially thought they were all literally children while 7 of them were actually adults.

ETA: hadn't seen the above post yet. So yes, a quiver-full cell.
What does this mean? I've never heard the term.
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What does this mean? I've never heard the term.
Here's something about Quiverfull

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiverfull

Basically, birth control is bad so make God happy by having as many children as possible
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post

My own impression of Pentecostalism is that it is a particularly "fundamentalist" flavor of Protestantism. Known for their "speaking in tongues" among other things. Faith healing too.
I think they are not technically fundamentalist; they're not big on strictly following the laws in Leviticus, more happy-clappy and into, as you say, glossolalia and faith healing; experiencing God directly based on the New Testament, not following the rules in the Old. There's also quite a wide range of Pentecostalism, and it's more of a movement within established churches rather than a separate church itself.
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Quiver-full is a cult philosophy that takes an out-of-context bible quote about how people with lots of children are lucky and blessed, and interprets it as a command by God for married couples to continuously produce children until God indicates that they have enough in his opinion by stopping the female-vessel-woman-object from conceiving anymore.

These families have lots of children - a dozen is not at all an unusual number - and they typically feature a husband-father as lord,wife and children as obedient and subservient family dynamic; usually homeschool because public schools are the devil's monkey-bars; have strict rules regarding the children's peer relationships and sex lives; and typically saddle the older children with raising the younger ones because it's simply too many children for a mother to handle all by herself.
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The family group photos don't show emaciated, growth-stunted people who are shackled to a bed all day. What's the story?
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
Further confirmation from the grandparents:

Grandparents say 'God called' on Perris couple to have so many children



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentecostalism

My own impression of Pentecostalism is that it is a particularly "fundamentalist" flavor of Protestantism. Known for their "speaking in tongues" among other things. Faith healing too.
Yeah but I don't remember which passage of the bible tells people to chain their kids. Maybe they're just insane.
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The family group photos don't show emaciated, growth-stunted people who are shackled to a bed all day. What's the story?
They look growth stunted, there certainly do not seem to be 7 adults in that picture. At least half of the children in that picture are over 18. They look like young teens, that is exactly the growth stunting that made the first article say that a 17 year old looks 10.
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Yeah but I don't remember which passage of the bible tells people to chain their kids. Maybe they're just insane.
Well it is better than stoning them to death. So if they had simply done that then no one could claim it wasn't properly biblical.
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The family group photos don't show emaciated, growth-stunted people who are shackled to a bed all day. What's the story?
It's difficult to say but some of them are well into their 20's and yet their frames look like those of children (the faces are not visible in the pictures on the BBC). Some of that may be due to the way in which they are dressed however.
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Yeah but I don't remember which passage of the bible tells people to chain their kids. Maybe they're just insane.
Isn't there one about obeying your parents ? Maybe they were being wilful in expressing opinions their parents didn't like and so the parents applied Old Testament flavour "tough love".
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So, where were the Grandparents? were they 'in on it'?
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So, where were the Grandparents? were they 'in on it'?
On the other side of the country by the sound of it.

"David Turpin's parents, James and Betty Turpin, told ABC News they were 'surprised and shocked' at the allegations.

The couple, who live in West Virginia, said they had not visited the family for four or five years but had spoken to them on the phone, although not with their grandchildren. "



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apologies for the DM link, but it's right up their street.
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On the other side of the country by the sound of it.

"David Turpin's parents, James and Betty Turpin, told ABC News they were 'surprised and shocked' at the allegations.

The couple, who live in West Virginia, said they had not visited the family for four or five years but had spoken to them on the phone, although not with their grandchildren. "
Didn't speak with their grandchildren for years? You can tell that they care.
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Here's something about Quiverfull

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiverfull

Basically, birth control is bad so make God happy by having as many children as possible
And children are like weapons, arrows in your quiver, to use against the ungodly.

Here's a less neutral point of view.
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I learned about the full quiver when reading about Mormons when the Malheur occupation was happening. Enormous families.
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I've read that DM article, but nowhere does it say how the girlll escaped and got a cell phone. Anyone know how? thank goodness she did, however it happened.
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I read that she escaped her shackles and found a cellphone inside the house to call police. Apparently she knew how to operate a cellphone. But I don't know if that's a confirmed explanation of what happened.
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It seems like the food deprivation and shackling may have been somewhat recent. Group photos from 2016 don't show emaciation. Wrists are shown in various photos and I can't see obvious signs of bondage.

Though the faces aren't shown, the postures and demeanors suggest a huge happy family. The story reads like the police found something like Auschwitz but these photos aren't like that at all.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rnia-home.html
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It seems like the food deprivation and shackling may have been somewhat recent. Group photos from 2016 don't show emaciation. Wrists are shown in various photos and I can't see obvious signs of bondage.

Though the faces aren't shown, the postures and demeanors suggest a huge happy family. The story reads like the police found something like Auschwitz but these photos aren't like that at all.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rnia-home.html
They do not look like adult children in the photo, given that half of them are adults in that photo, could you pick out the ones over 18? They don't look emaciated in that photo but they don't look to be normally developed either.
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But the mother herself is not tall. They could take after her rather than the father.
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they don't look to be normally developed either.
That's a losing argument for sure. You could show these photos to many people who are unfamiliar with the story. Ask "this is a family, do you see anything unusual here?" The answer is not going to be "the kids are not normally developed".

Physically, they look very normal. Your squawking doesn't change that. But a highly emaciated 17 year old girl might appear to be 10 years old. But there is no emaciation seen in any of the photos. You can't change that with your squawky posts.
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That's a losing argument for sure. You could show these photos to many people who are unfamiliar with the story. Ask "this is a family, do you see anything unusual here?" The answer is not going to be "the kids are not normally developed".

Physically, they look very normal. Your squawking doesn't change that. But a highly emaciated 17 year old girl might appear to be 10 years old. But there is no emaciation seen in any of the photos. You can't change that with your squawky posts.
So who looks 26 and all the others, minimum 5, over 18 in that photo?

It does not look like a photo of parents and their mostly adult children.
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That's a losing argument for sure. You could show these photos to many people who are unfamiliar with the story. Ask "this is a family, do you see anything unusual here?" The answer is not going to be "the kids are not normally developed".

Physically, they look very normal. Your squawking doesn't change that. But a highly emaciated 17 year old girl might appear to be 10 years old. But there is no emaciation seen in any of the photos. You can't change that with your squawky posts.
Right, but when it is pointed out that several of the "kids" are not kids it does seem a bit odd. Can you see that?
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Right, but when it is pointed out that several of the "kids" are not kids it does seem a bit odd. Can you see that?
No because I can't know the heights of anyone in the photos. I can see an obvious distribution of heights. Some are taller than others and that might indicate age distribution - but boys do tend to be taller than girls of a similar age.

It looks like it might be 3 boys and 9 girls and one baby in arms.The father is much taller than the mother but actual heights are unknown. The kids all look slim but there is no emaciation presented.

Stunting often refers to arrested height. These kids may all have normal heights. But people can have youthful appearance even without stunting. Myself, I look much younger than my actual age but I'm not stunted in any way.
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So who looks 26 and all the others, minimum 5, over 18 in that photo?

It does not look like a photo of parents and their mostly adult children.
I suspect that they are posing with the oldest and tallest towards the rear of the group. The pictures have faces blurred and none are close to the camera anyway. We can't see certain facial features which we often use to gauge age.

We can't know that if we were standing right there looking at these people that we would be shocked to learn their actual ages. We cannot determine that by looking at these pictures.
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Plus, they are weraring wedding clothes, all the same.
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I read that she escaped her shackles and found a cellphone inside the house to call police. Apparently she knew how to operate a cellphone. But I don't know if that's a confirmed explanation of what happened.
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Originally Posted by Washington Post
Authorities discovered the victims, who appeared malnourished with several shackled to furniture, when a 17-year-old girl escaped through a window early Sunday morning and called 911 from a deactivated cellphone, Fellows said.

“She appeared to be only 10 years old and slightly emaciated,” the Riverside County Sheriff’s Department said in a news release.

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What's your thesis here, WP? What's the big deal with whether or not they looked emaciated?
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That's a losing argument for sure. You could show these photos to many people who are unfamiliar with the story. Ask "this is a family, do you see anything unusual here?" The answer is not going to be "the kids are not normally developed".
Right, because they are unfamiliar with the story. The photos appear to show two parents and a whole lot of children, and if that were the actual case (which is easy to presume by looking at the photos), the photo doesn't look unusual at all.

But we ARE familiar with the story. We know that's actually a photo of two parents, seven adults, and only six actual children. Tell somebody that, and they're more likely to find something unusual about it.
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I suspect that they are posing with the oldest and tallest towards the rear of the group. The pictures have faces blurred and none are close to the camera anyway. We can't see certain facial features which we often use to gauge age.
But the police did; the police saw them face-to-face and thought they were all children until they were told otherwise.
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Old 16th January 2018, 12:48 PM   #37
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Might have just missed it, but where are they getting definitive proof of their ages from?

I wouldn't be taking the parents word for it, or the kids
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Old 16th January 2018, 12:55 PM   #38
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
I suspect that they are posing with the oldest and tallest towards the rear of the group. The pictures have faces blurred and none are close to the camera anyway. We can't see certain facial features which we often use to gauge age.
There's an image in this that doesn't have their faces censored.

I don't think I would think any of the people other than the married couple were over the age of 15.

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Old 16th January 2018, 12:58 PM   #39
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Originally Posted by MikeG View Post
What's your thesis here, WP? What's the big deal with whether or not they looked emaciated?
Apparently, with the idea that malnourished means starving. One can be malnourished and be getting plenty of calories, just not the right kind of balanced diet.

More pictures here

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/16/us/tur...rnd/index.html
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Originally Posted by bonzombiekitty View Post
There's an image in this that doesn't have their faces censored.

I don't think I would think any of the people other than the married couple were over the age of 15.
Exactly.
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