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Old 13th January 2019, 01:02 AM   #121
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Originally Posted by crescent View Post
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I thought the impact of sex selective abortion in India, China, and elsewhere was well known. I am surprised to see people arguing against it here. If it is illegal now, then it has been made illegal due to the scale of the practice. There are a lot of articles on the subject.
Yeah, I was well aware of the gender imbalance, but I realised that I was ignorant of the degree to which it was brought about through abortion rather than infanticide when I read Darat's post.

Anyway, thanks again for the article and the facts.
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Old 13th January 2019, 06:56 AM   #122
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
I didn't say there was no effect. But the idea gender imbalance contributes to causing oppression of women as opposed to being the result is an unsupportable premise and it has not been supported here.
False dichotomy. Something can both be caused by and contribute to another thing. It's like you've never heard of a feedback process.
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Old 13th January 2019, 07:23 AM   #123
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
False dichotomy. Something can both be caused by and contribute to another thing. It's like you've never heard of a feedback process.
ex: temperature and CO2 levels
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Old 13th January 2019, 09:28 AM   #124
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Which suggests that it isn't abortion (which has been around for most if not all of human history) but the technological advance of the ability to determine the sex of a fetus which is the main cause of their problem.
Actually it doesn't in the Indian case. One has to remember the terrible levels of poverty for most Indians even to today. The idea that significantly large numbers of the very poor could afford a trip to a large town, pay for an ultrasound and then pay for an abortion in the 1990s beggars belief.

Even the most rudimentary pre natal care was out of the reach of most of the Indian poor even though the government state and District have tried much to improve such access to care.
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Old 13th January 2019, 01:13 PM   #125
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
Actually it doesn't in the Indian case. One has to remember the terrible levels of poverty for most Indians even to today. The idea that significantly large numbers of the very poor could afford a trip to a large town, pay for an ultrasound and then pay for an abortion in the 1990s beggars belief.
You seem to be assuming that sex selection is only happening among the very poor. That assumption would be unfounded.
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Old 13th January 2019, 03:03 PM   #126
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
Actually it doesn't in the Indian case. One has to remember the terrible levels of poverty for most Indians even to today. The idea that significantly large numbers of the very poor could afford a trip to a large town, pay for an ultrasound and then pay for an abortion in the 1990s beggars belief.
And the way they got around that was to use portable machines.
Their use was banned in 2012 because of sex selection concerns..
...the officials argued over difficulty to maintain control over portable sonography units since they are movable and they play a big role in dipping child sex ratios and sex selective ultrasound tests.
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Old 13th January 2019, 05:40 PM   #127
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
Actually it doesn't in the Indian case. One has to remember the terrible levels of poverty for most Indians even to today. The idea that significantly large numbers of the very poor could afford a trip to a large town, pay for an ultrasound and then pay for an abortion in the 1990s beggars belief.

Even the most rudimentary pre natal care was out of the reach of most of the Indian poor even though the government state and District have tried much to improve such access to care.
Didnít crescent already post evidence that sex selective abortion did happen on a large scale? You are objecting that that the means didnít exist, but we know it did because we know it happened.
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