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Old 1st June 2018, 12:04 PM   #561
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
You are nothing if not consistent, Vix!

How's that search in D. D. going?
How's the search for one, just one forensic-DNA expert who agrees with Stefanoni's forensic work with this crime. Just one - hint: try not to cite someone who concedes that Stefanoni did not follow international protocol, or cite another who concedes that negative controls were not available to them.

Also what is Vixen's opinion on the current Italian forensics seminar which cites the Kercher investigation as a way NOT to do forensics?
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Old 1st June 2018, 01:38 PM   #562
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
And now for some real news: Giulia Bongiorno became the Minister for Public Administration today in the new Conte government.

I have no idea what the position entails. Anybody here know?
"Certainly [she] is a lawyer at the top of the standings. The latest success was the acquittal of Raffaele Sollecito for the crime of Meredith Kercher. But her legal portfolio of assistance is very broad, from Nannini to Greggio, from Pacini Battaglia to Forleo, from Totti to Bettarini. With Michele Hunziker she founded the Double Defense association to help women who have suffered discrimination."

Source: http://www.repubblica.it/politica/20...one-197869306/

I don't know what are the responsibilities of her new position, Minister of Public Administration, but according to Wikipedia, it's a ministry "without portfolio", meaning no actual independent department (ministry) to administer, but there is membership in the Italian Council of Ministers (cabinet).

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counci...nisters_(Italy)
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Old 4th June 2018, 09:37 AM   #563
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Meanwhile, over on TJMK, the lie posted last month that Knox flew home on a chartered plane remains. Is anyone here surprised?
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Old 4th June 2018, 11:39 AM   #564
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Meanwhile, over on TJMK, the lie posted last month that Knox flew home on a chartered plane remains. Is anyone here surprised?
There are thousands of lies published on TJMK that have never been corrected so there's no reason to think Quennell would start now. There's a reason the guilter sites are restricted - so lies can go unchallenged. No different than the fake wiki or dot net.
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Old 4th June 2018, 11:53 AM   #565
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There are thousands of lies published on TJMK that have never been corrected so there's no reason to think Quennell would start now. There's a reason the guilter sites are restricted - so lies can go unchallenged. No different than the fake wiki or dot net.
True. Silly me thought they might actually want to maintain some modicum of credibility by removing a proven lie. It was a moment of unfounded optimism on my part. I should have known better than to think the truth was more important than their inability to ever admit error.

BTW, I found Raff's cap with the red stripe; Waldo has it. But where is Waldo? Someone alert the Perugia police!

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Old 5th June 2018, 08:50 AM   #566
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Lisa Wilson, Nick van der Leek's co-author on several of his Knox cut and paste "books" does not even mention Knox on her blog where she features Pistorius, Anthony, Simpson, Arias et al. One has to wonder why. Is she not proud of her connection to those (sorry excuses for) "books"?

https://juror13lw.com/about-juror13/

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Old 5th June 2018, 12:59 PM   #567
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Lisa Wilson, Nick van der Leek's co-author on several of his Knox cut and paste "books" does not even mention Knox on her blog where she features Pistorius, Anthony, Simpson, Arias et al. One has to wonder why. Is she not proud of her connection to those (sorry excuses for) "books"?

https://juror13lw.com/about-juror13/
Just for the record:
Juror13 - Amanda Knox

Not showing up on the front page anymore, but stil there...
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Old 5th June 2018, 01:44 PM   #568
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Just for the record:
Juror13 - Amanda Knox

Not showing up on the front page anymore, but stil there...
There is no link to Knox anywhere on her blog page that I could see. Where did you find that link, Methos?

I found this on the link you provided and it's typical of the kind of nonsense this woman and van der Leek write:

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Amanda waking up late in Raffaele’s bed is also suspicious. In Raffaele’s memoir he writes that Amanda typically got up early, at 05:00. Getting up early as a habit would explain why Amanda was standing outside Marco Quintavalle’s shop before it opened on Friday November 2nd, otherwise it wouldn’t make sense.
Waking up late is "suspicious"?

Raffaele did write that "Amanda tended to get up at 5:00, which she credited to jet lag." But Wilson and NvdL jump to an assumption that she never slept in late. After all, Amanda and Raffaele had known each other a whole week! And Raffaele does not say she never slept in late, only that she "tended" to get up early. Wilson dishonestly states Amanda was outside Quintavalle's store as if it were a proven fact despite Quintavalle having denied seeing her at all on Nov. 2 when asked by a detective a few days after the murder.

Waking up late is "suspicious"?

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Now remember, Amanda was actually two-timing her American boyfriend David Johnsrud [DJ] with Raffaele, and flirting and sleeping with different guys, yet in her memoir and in Raffaele’s there’s this mischievous ruse of ‘the days melting into one another’ and each day being a repeat of the last, some or other combination of ‘reading Harry Potter, making dinner, making love etc.’.
What a load of crock.
Knox and Johnsrud had broken up as a couple before she left for Italy and he went to China. She was not "two-timing" him or anyone else. Wilson also implies that Amanda was "flirting and sleeping with other guys" while she was with Raffaele. That is also a lie.
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Old 5th June 2018, 02:24 PM   #569
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The guilters confuse their years long obsession with Amanda with the reality of the timeline.

If you met someone new last Saturday, you've now known them as long as Amanda knew Raffaele. Their entire story and status as a couple producing seemingly infinite lengths of tabloid entertainment is entwined in less than a week.

Quintavalle had the same habit, when he claimed he had seen Amanda and Raffaele together a month+ before the murder. Everyone is internalizing the prosecution's narrative that these two were some long standing item, and not strangers that couldn't even speak together in a mutually fluent language, and certainly did not plan a murder together.

I always come back to the same conclusions. Guilters are legit stupid.
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Old 5th June 2018, 02:41 PM   #570
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There is no link to Knox anywhere on her blog page that I could see. Where did you find that link, Methos?
[...]
Via the The Wayback Machine...
ETA: a google search for "Juror13 Amanda Knox" also finds that page

The interesting thing, and perhaps more an answer to your "One has to wonder why?" question is that up until at least Feb 20th, (this year), her "front page" looked like this:
Link to Wayback Machine capture made on Feb 20, 2018:
Juror13
"Amanda Knox" #5 in the sidebar...
Somewhen in the time between February and April she changed the design, layout whatever of her page and decided to not display the "Amanda Knox" links on the main page.
Link to Wayback Machine capture made on April 17, 2018:
Juror13 - True crime and trial analysis

...

ETA: and VdL publiced books co-authored by someone who was only an "editor" in earlier books, since when?
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Old 5th June 2018, 03:03 PM   #571
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
There is no link to Knox anywhere on her blog page that I could see. Where did you find that link, Methos?

I found this on the link you provided and it's typical of the kind of nonsense this woman and van der Leek write:



Waking up late is "suspicious"?

Raffaele did write that "Amanda tended to get up at 5:00, which she credited to jet lag." But Wilson and NvdL jump to an assumption that she never slept in late. After all, Amanda and Raffaele had known each other a whole week! And Raffaele does not say she never slept in late, only that she "tended" to get up early. Wilson dishonestly states Amanda was outside Quintavalle's store as if it were a proven fact despite Quintavalle having denied seeing her at all on Nov. 2 when asked by a detective a few days after the murder.

Waking up late is "suspicious"?



What a load of crock.
Knox and Johnsrud had broken up as a couple before she left for Italy and he went to China. She was not "two-timing" him or anyone else. Wilson also implies that Amanda was "flirting and sleeping with other guys" while she was with Raffaele. That is also a lie.
She was still holding a torch for him (just read her Prison Diary). She was skyping him whilst naked and in front of Raff, according to one rumour.
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Via the The Wayback Machine...
ETA: a google search for "Juror13 Amanda Knox" also finds that page

The interesting thing, and perhaps more an answer to your "One has to wonder why?" question is that up until at least Feb 20th, (this year), her "front page" looked like this:
Link to Wayback Machine capture made on Feb 20, 2018:
Juror13
"Amanda Knox" #5 in the sidebar...
Somewhen in the time between February and April she changed the design, layout whatever of her page and decided to not display the "Amanda Knox" links on the main page.
Link to Wayback Machine capture made on April 17, 2018:
Juror13 - True crime and trial analysis

...

ETA: and VdL publiced books co-authored by someone who was only an "editor" in earlier books, since when?
...
Thanks for the explanation, Methos. I guess LW and NvdL needed more help with cutting and pasting and coming up with more stupid speculations and innuendos.
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She was still holding a torch for him (just read her Prison Diary). She was skyping him whilst naked and in front of Raff, according to one rumour.
You cannot resist slutshaming, even when you admit you're passing on rumour.
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You cannot resist slutshaming, even when you admit you're passing on rumour.
No, I was pointing out this guy was hardly an ex- if she was still gushing over him and skyping him in the early hours. Raff in his book said he resented it.

Stacyhs tried to claim Johnsrud was an ex- and Knox was faithful to Raff.
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No, I was pointing out this guy was hardly an ex- if she was still gushing over him and skyping him in the early hours. Raff in his book said he resented it.

Stacyhs tried to claim Johnsrud was an ex- and Knox was faithful to Raff.
No, you claimed a rumour of naked Skyping. If you're going to slutshame you should at least own it. The Scarlett Letter Reports covers this and you keep supplying content.

Everything else is none of anyone's business, took place over a decade ago.
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She was still holding a torch for him (just read her Prison Diary). She was skyping him whilst naked and in front of Raff, according to one rumour.

".....whilst naked and in front of Raff, according to one rumour"

So tell us more about this entirely nebulous, unattributed, unsubstantiated "rumour" then, Vixen. Details please. Where did YOU hear this "rumour"? And where is it documented? And from where/whom did it originate?

Go ahead.
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No, I was pointing out this guy was hardly an ex- if she was still gushing over him and skyping him in the early hours. Raff in his book said he resented it.

Stacyhs tried to claim Johnsrud was an ex- and Knox was faithful to Raff.

No. Sollecito said he was uncomfortable with the fact that Knox was still in touch regularly with Johnsrud, her ex-boyfriend, via Skype. It really isn't hard for an objective observer to understand how/why Sollecito - who'd never had a true girlfriend prior to Knox - might be both jealous and baffled about Knox maintaining contact with her immediate ex, even if it was only in the form of friend-to-friend catch-ups.

Or can you show us all that a) Knox was "gushing" over Johnsrud (I contend that you cannot), and/or that b) Knox was somehow being unfaithful (in the commonly-understood meaning of the word) to Sollecito in her Skype contact with Johnsrud (I contend that you cannot)?

You simply cannot help yourself from writing lies and distortions, can you?
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No. Sollecito said he was uncomfortable with the fact that Knox was still in touch regularly with Johnsrud, her ex-boyfriend, via Skype. It really isn't hard for an objective observer to understand how/why Sollecito - who'd never had a true girlfriend prior to Knox - might be both jealous and baffled about Knox maintaining contact with her immediate ex, even if it was only in the form of friend-to-friend catch-ups.

Or can you show us all that a) Knox was "gushing" over Johnsrud (I contend that you cannot), and/or that b) Knox was somehow being unfaithful (in the commonly-understood meaning of the word) to Sollecito in her Skype contact with Johnsrud (I contend that you cannot)?

You simply cannot help yourself from writing lies and distortions, can you?
In her Prison Diary she wrote love letters to Johnsrud not her proffessed lovebird Raff.

You didn't believe the BS in the Netflix film, did you...?
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In her Prison Diary she wrote love letters to Johnsrud not her proffessed lovebird Raff.

You didn't believe the BS in the Netflix film, did you...?
If your interest is love-drama between young 20-somethings about a decade ago, why did you slutshame?

What possible interest would ANYONE have in that part of it, unless the person digging this up has a dirty mind or something?

Why slutshame when this is no one's business?
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In her Prison Diary she wrote love letters to Johnsrud not her proffessed lovebird Raff.

You didn't believe the BS in the Netflix film, did you...?

Let's try again.

I'll go back to the questions I asked you (questions which require answers if you are to substantiate your claims):

Can you show us all that a) Knox was "gushing" over Johnsrud (I contend that you cannot), and/or that b) Knox was somehow being unfaithful (in the commonly-understood meaning of the word) to Sollecito in her Skype contact with Johnsrud (I contend that you cannot)?


What feelings Knox may or may not have expressed towards Johnsrud after her arrest and imprisonment are of zero value to this present discussion. After all, at that point, Knox was under the impression that Sollecito had somehow lied to implicate her in the murder - so it's hardly surprising that her feelings towards him (Sollecito) might have become, shall we say, ambivalent at that point. And that, at the same time, she might have rekindled feelings for her previous boyfriend, Johnsrud.


So, just to clarify once again: during the (short) time Knox and Sollecito were boyfriend and girlfriend, before their arrests and imprisonments, do you have any evidence to support your claim that Knox was "gushing" over Johnsrud (whether in front of Sollecito or not), or that Knox was in any way being unfaithful to Sollecito in her dealings with (or expression of feelings towards) Johnsrud?


Chop chop. Evidence please. Or we can write this off as yet more invention and fantasy. As indeed we shall, I already know.........

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Last time this thread went a few days without a post, Vixen broke the silence with a truly inane factoid.

This time Vixen breaks the silence by slutshaming.

That's what remains about this whole sad saga. No wonder there's a need for the Scarlett Letter Reports, where women who've been slutshamed by anonymous internet posters or tabloids can have their say.

Vixen continues to provide content - thus proving the need for the series.
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If your interest is love-drama between young 20-somethings about a decade ago, why did you slutshame?

What possible interest would ANYONE have in that part of it, unless the person digging this up has a dirty mind or something?

Why slutshame when this is no one's business?

In any case, Vixen's (bogus, mendacious) claims were explicitly in relation to the time prior to the arrests - i.e. the 10 days or so between Knox and Sollecito meeting a the concert on 25th October, and the night of 5th November (when they were both arrested).

Knox's feelings towards both Sollecito and Johnsrud (as well, obviously, as what she may or may not have said and done and worn while Skyping Johnsrud) in the aftermath of the 5th/6th November arrests are irrelevant to any discussion of Vixen's claims in any event. And, as I pointed out in my previous post: considering that Knox was apparently informed by the police shortly prior to her arrest, during that 5th/6th interrogation, that Sollecito had said that she'd left the apartment on the night of the murder, it would be entirely unsurprising if she would have considered herself betrayed by Sollecito and in turn be somewhat yearning for her previous boyfriend instead.
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Let's try again.

I'll go back to the questions I asked you (questions which require answers if you are to substantiate your claims):

Can you show us all that a) Knox was "gushing" over Johnsrud (I contend that you cannot), and/or that b) Knox was somehow being unfaithful (in the commonly-understood meaning of the word) to Sollecito in her Skype contact with Johnsrud (I contend that you cannot)?


What feelings Knox may or may not have expressed towards Johnsrud after her arrest and imprisonment are of zero value to this present discussion. After all, at that point, Knox was under the impression that Sollecito had somehow lied to implicate her in the murder - so it's hardly surprising that her feelings towards him (Sollecito) might have become, shall we say, ambivalent at that point. And that, at the same time, she might have rekindled feelings for her previous boyfriend, Johnsrud.


So, just to clarify once again: during the (short) time Knox and Sollecito were boyfriend and girlfriend, before their arrests and imprisonments, do you have any evidence to support your claim that Knox was "gushing" over Johnsrud (whether in front of Sollecito or not), or that Knox was in any way being unfaithful to Sollecito in her dealings with (or expression of feelings towards) Johnsrud?


Chop chop. Evidence please. Or we can write this off as yet more invention and fantasy. As indeed we shall, I already know.........

Please refer to Raff's own book.
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Last time this thread went a few days without a post, Vixen broke the silence with a truly inane factoid.

This time Vixen breaks the silence by slutshaming.

That's what remains about this whole sad saga. No wonder there's a need for the Scarlett Letter Reports, where women who've been slutshamed by anonymous internet posters or tabloids can have their say.

Vixen continues to provide content - thus proving the need for the series.

I genuinely find it fascinating how facts and evidence can be twisted, misrepresented or simply invented in order to try to bolster an a priori conviction. In doing so, pro-guilt commentators are ironically doing exactly what Mignini and the police investigators did, on an ongoing basis.

In this particular instance, the required "conclusion" is that Knox was a woman of loose morals; and only then does the process start of manipulating, misrepresenting and inventing facts to "prove" this "conclusion". It's a truly remarkable phenomenon. And categorically not one which could in any way be classified as critical thinking........
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Please refer to Raff's own book.

No. You made the claim. You supply the evidence.

You still don't know that this is how it works around here?
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She was still holding a torch for him (just read her Prison Diary). She was skyping him whilst naked and in front of Raff, according to one rumour.
According to one rumor? You can't be serious?

Is there no depth of depravity you will not sink to Vixen?

Is this like body odor, cat urine or Marriott's private chartered British Airways 747s?
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According to one rumor? You can't be serious?

Is there no depth of depravity you will not sink to Vixen?

Is this like body odor, cat urine or Marriott's private chartered British Airways 747s?

Yeah, how are you coming along sourcing that "rumour" about Knox Skyping Johnsrud while naked and in front of Sollecito?

Or will you admit that no such (credible, reliable) rumour ever even existed - and that if anything to this effect ever did exist, it was only ever the product of the pro-guilt community itself?
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Please refer to Raff's own book.
O Lord, not that trick again. You make a claim and you tell us to go look for it?

Are you ready to admit you slutshamed when you brought this up?
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In this particular instance, the required "conclusion" is that Knox was a woman of loose morals; and only then does the process start of manipulating, misrepresenting and inventing facts to "prove" this "conclusion". It's a truly remarkable phenomenon. And categorically not one which could in any way be classified as critical thinking........
Who cares if some random 20-year-old, 10-11 years ago was someone of loose morals? Who cares?
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Old 5th June 2018, 06:03 PM   #590
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No, I was pointing out this guy was hardly an ex- if she was still gushing over him and skyping him in the early hours. Raff in his book said he resented it.

Stacyhs tried to claim Johnsrud was an ex- and Knox was faithful to Raff.
Oh, just stop lying. Do you think no one here can read? Amanda was up front with Raff and never tried to hide her friendship or past relationship with DJ. This is what he wrote in his book:

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This was maybe three or four days into our relationship. The night before we left, I noticed she was chatting on Facebook with an American friend. I asked who he was. Right away, she explained that she, like Meredith, had left behind a boyfriend when she came to Italy. His name was David Johnsrud, known as D.J., and they were still in regular contact. In fact, they chatted or e-mailed almost every day. D.J. was spending his junior year in China, and given the distance, it hadn’t made sense for them to stay together as a couple. I could tell just by looking at Amanda that she was still attached to him. Even though we’d known each other only a few days, I had fallen for her—and it hurt. “But we’re no longer together, Raffaele,” she said. I had no reason to doubt her, but I also knew she wasn’t over him and wasn’t able to give her heart fully to me. As the conversation went on, I learned she had just bought a ticket to China to visit D.J. later in the year, and my suspicions were confirmed.

If I felt crushed, I was not about to admit it. So I met a nice girl, I told myself, and we had fun for a few days. Whatever. It’s not as though she was the love of my life. So what if I was just some guy to keep her company and nothing more? We had some nice moments together, but this wasn’t exactly the romance of the century. If it’s finished, I’ll get over it. At least, that’s what I told myself.

* * * I took her to Assisi anyway. The decision wasn’t destined to win the respect of my friends or family, but I followed through just the same. If an Italian man feels there’s more than one other person in a relationship, then his pride should—in theory—lead him to turn his back and say good-bye. Right away. I was brought up to believe that a strong sense of belonging is at the heart of all relationships. It’s absolute commitment, or nothing. If the woman is looking over her shoulder or thinking about someone else, it’s tantamount to cheating. For the man to stay with her is to be branded a cuckold or a fool—which is exactly how my friends saw me. But I knew that my days with Amanda were numbered, one way or another, and I was having far too much fun to give her up so soon. I decided I’d take it day by day and felt comfortable with that approach. If you don’t live while you can, I thought, what’s the point?
Sollecito, Raffaele. Honor Bound: My Journey to Hell and Back with Amanda Knox

It's a blatant lie to claim she was "gushing" over DJ or skyping him in the "early hours". Your innuendo that she was trying to hide something from Raff is typical Vixen. She told Raff exactly who DJ was and that he was her EX-boyfriend. So now you're disparaging her for being honest and up front with Raffaele.

It wasn't Amanda's fault if Italian men's egos are so fragile they can't deal with a woman remaining friends with an ex-boyfriend thousands of miles away.

You can't provide any evidence that Amanda slept with anyone other than Raffaele after meeting him. All you have are "rumours". And the source of those rumors? Look in a mirror.

Knox never wrote "love letters" to DJ in prison as you (and the disgusting tabloids )falsely claim. This is the worst those rags could come up with:

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Dear DJ, I really feel the need to hold you in my arms right now. I have this knot inside and I feel as if someone really cold and strong is pressing my head. ‘I beg you, I cannot stay alone right now. I hate being weak, but I am ill and tired. I want to go home. ‘How can I continue like this for the next 14 days? How can they treat me like this, looking at me as if I was an assassin? They really believe that I am and that’s not ok. This cannot be my life. I beg you, this cannot be my life. Please hold me in your arms, now.
https://metro.co.uk/2008/06/24/foxy-...9/?ito=cbshare

Hardly a "love letter". It's a cry from a lonely, scared, and confused girl for comfort. But then again, it's the same kind of disgusting distortion we saw by the media and PGP with the pics of Raff comforting Amanda on Nov. 2. "Canoodling", my ***.


https://metro.co.uk/2008/06/24/foxy-...9/?ito=cbshare
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Old 5th June 2018, 06:04 PM   #591
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
Please refer to Raff's own book.
I did. Obviously you did not.

And it's just as obvious that your claim about Amanda's "body odor" in Darkness Descending is equally based on bovine feces.

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Old 5th June 2018, 06:24 PM   #592
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Right away, she explained that she, like Meredith, had left behind a boyfriend when she came to Italy.
(Honor Bound)

I guess Meredith was 'cheating' on her boyfriend in the UK since she was sleeping with Giacomo in Italy. Where's the outrage, Vix? Where's the slut-shaming?
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Old 6th June 2018, 12:43 PM   #593
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
Please refer to Raff's own book.
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I did. Obviously you did not.

And it's just as obvious that your claim about Amanda's "body odor" in Darkness Descending is equally based on bovine feces.
Vixen has now done this twice in a matter of days. That is referring us to non-existent sources for her lies. First Darkness Descending and now Honor Bound.

Has she no shame? Has she no integrity? Before that it was the chartered flight to Seattle.

Why the lies?
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Old 6th June 2018, 01:10 PM   #594
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She was still holding a torch for him (just read her Prison Diary). She was skyping him whilst naked and in front of Raff, according to one rumour.

This is the most disgusting post of yours that I have read! Why do you continue to make denigrating posts of individuals when you cannot provide any semblance of collaborating evidence? Why do you stoop so low?

Disgusting . . . .
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Old 6th June 2018, 03:30 PM   #595
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Do not feed the troll. DNFTT. Folks, by now you should know this. As the old saw says, everybody is entitled to their own stupid opinion, but there's a point where the most tolerant need to write it off as beneath any effort to accept as plausible. Most of the Peanut Gallery tuned out years ago. You are left trying to convince a True Believer that she is full of nonsense. I know that the Prime Directive of the Internet says that the last rebuttal wins, but that ain't necessarily so. Toss her the stale laurel leaf of victory, which she can parade wherever she finds other trolls, and ignore her.
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Old 6th June 2018, 03:55 PM   #596
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O Lord, not that trick again. You make a claim and you tell us to go look for it?

Are you ready to admit you slutshamed when you brought this up?
You are obsessed with 'sluts'. You are the one to always bring up the word.
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Do not feed the troll. DNFTT. Folks, by now you should know this. As the old saw says, everybody is entitled to their own stupid opinion, but there's a point where the most tolerant need to write it off as beneath any effort to accept as plausible. Most of the Peanut Gallery tuned out years ago. You are left trying to convince a True Believer that she is full of nonsense. I know that the Prime Directive of the Internet says that the last rebuttal wins, but that ain't necessarily so. Toss her the stale laurel leaf of victory, which she can parade wherever she finds other trolls, and ignore her.
You aren't wrong but you're not telling us anything we don't already know. We know we're never going to convince Vixen that she's wrong. Nothing and no one can do that. But the fun is in watching what she comes up with next. Just when we think she can't top her last absurd claim, she does.
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You are obsessed with 'sluts'. You are the one to always bring up the word.
Don't blame us for using the word that most accurately describes what you do.
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Do not feed the troll. DNFTT. Folks, by now you should know this. As the old saw says, everybody is entitled to their own stupid opinion, but there's a point where the most tolerant need to write it off as beneath any effort to accept as plausible. Most of the Peanut Gallery tuned out years ago. You are left trying to convince a True Believer that she is full of nonsense. I know that the Prime Directive of the Internet says that the last rebuttal wins, but that ain't necessarily so. Toss her the stale laurel leaf of victory, which she can parade wherever she finds other trolls, and ignore her.
Thanks, but we are all perfectly aware of the nature of Stacyhs.
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Thanks, but we are all perfectly aware of the nature of Stacyhs.
Projecting much there, Vix?
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