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Old 23rd March 2019, 09:04 AM   #1001
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"Former officer Michael Rosfeld found not guilty in death of Antwon Rose"

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Antwon Rose - shot in the back while running away. Video in the link below.

https://thegrio.com/2018/06/22/5-things-antwon-rose/

Presumably nothing will happen arising from this, but it's worth a look anyway.

The jury found former East Pittsburgh Police Officer Michael Rosfeld not guilty in killing Antwon Rose II.

The trial lasted four days; three and a half days of testimony, less than four hours of deliberation. Deliberation happened into the night.

At 9:03 p.m., on Friday, 22 March 2019, the jury returned to the courtroom after having had deliberated for less than four hours. The verdict: not guilty on charges of first-degree murder, third-degree murder, voluntary manslaughter, and involuntary manslaughter. 1

Antwon Rose, 17, was unarmed, and fleeing, when he was fatally shot in the back, face, and elbow, on June 19, 2018

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1. Ward, Paula Reed and Shelly Bradbury. "Former officer Michael Rosfeld found not guilty in death of Antwon Rose" Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. (22 March 2019). Retrieved from www . post-gazette.com/news/crime-courts/2019/03/22/michael-rosfeld-trial-verdict-antwon-rose-police-shooting-east-pittsburgh/stories/201903210103 Accessed 23 March 2019.

Guza, Megan and Renatta Signorini. "Michael Rosfeld not guilty of homicide in killing of Antwon Rose II," TribLive (Pittsburgh). (22 March 2019). Retrieved from triblive.com/local/pittsburgh-allegheny/michael-rosfeld-not-guilty-of-homicide-in-killing-of-antwon-rose-ii/ Accessed 23 March 2019

"The Day After: Michael Rosfeld Found Not Guilty In Shooting Death Of Antwon Rose." pittsburgh.cbslocal.com (23 March 2019). Retrieved from pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2019/03/23/michael-rosfeld-antwon-rose-pittsburgh-on-edge/ Accessed 23 March 2019
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Old 25th March 2019, 03:33 PM   #1002
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Officer gives homeless guy **** sandwich, keeps his job.
Linky.
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Old 26th March 2019, 04:59 AM   #1003
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Officer gives homeless guy **** sandwich, keeps his job.
Linky.
I hate how society keeps accepting these kinds of events as some sort of workplace discipline incident. Who gives a hoot what a union contract says? Offering another person a feces sandwich is first and foremost a crime.

It's insane that we treat a cop getting fired (then rehired, in many cases), as the final word on punishment. This isn't a cop padding his lunch hour, it's a cop committing a crime and should be treated like one. Prison first, then union dispute.
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Old 26th March 2019, 05:09 AM   #1004
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What would the punishment be for an ordinary citizen making another person eat dog feces?
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Old 26th March 2019, 05:10 AM   #1005
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What would the punishment be for an ordinary citizen making another person eat dog feces?
It would probably depend on jurisdiction. I imagine it would fall under some form of battery, like if you were to spit on someone or throw urine at them. Even though there is no actual physical damage done, it's still a form of battery.
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Old 26th March 2019, 06:03 AM   #1006
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I found this one, but there was more abuse involved than feeding dog feces to human beings:
Woman and her live-in girlfriend charged with brutally beating three children, feeding them dog feces and locking them in closet (Daily Mail, Feb. 1, 2018)
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Old 27th March 2019, 10:40 AM   #1007
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Officer gives homeless guy **** sandwich, keeps his job.
Linky.

He would have gotten in worse trouble for making a proper sandwich and giving it out to the poor, for not following regulations about cleanliness.
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Old 27th March 2019, 11:49 AM   #1008
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He would have gotten in worse trouble for making a proper sandwich and giving it out to the poor, for not following regulations about cleanliness.
Naa, cops wouldn't do that, they prefer to dump bleach on such things. Got to keep the homeless in their place.
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Old 29th March 2019, 08:43 PM   #1009
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https://apnews.com/e5bee1cf605846a59a0621297145ad94

HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) — A small Pennsylvania town police chief [was] charged with raping a child over a seven-year period ... starting when the girl was 4 years old, state prosecutors said Wednesday.
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Old 29th March 2019, 10:52 PM   #1010
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...video-vallejo?

Police release footage of them shooting dead a sleeping man.
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Old 30th March 2019, 02:00 AM   #1011
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Originally Posted by Matthew Best View Post
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...video-vallejo?

Police release footage of them shooting dead a sleeping man.
well the police probably thought he was in their car due to tiredness from overtime. Why was he sleeping while black anyway? Thats enough to make anyone **** their pants.
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Old 30th March 2019, 02:55 AM   #1012
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Originally Posted by Matthew Best View Post
https://apnews.com/e5bee1cf605846a59a0621297145ad94

HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) — A small Pennsylvania town police chief [was] charged with raping a child over a seven-year period ... starting when the girl was 4 years old, state prosecutors said Wednesday.
This is bad but it doesn't really fit the thread which is about the behaviour of police officers whilst being police officers.

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Old 30th March 2019, 03:09 AM   #1013
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Originally Posted by Matthew Best View Post
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...video-vallejo?

Police release footage of them shooting dead a sleeping man.
There was so many different things the police could've done differently in this situation that i don't know what to say other than anything short of being convicted of professional misconduct (assuming that that's even a criminal offence) would be a travesty.
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Old 30th March 2019, 05:22 AM   #1014
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Arizona officers storm house with guns drawn.

Although this may not be entirely within the spirit of the thread...
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Old 30th March 2019, 07:04 AM   #1015
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Arizona officers storm house with guns drawn.

Although this may not be entirely within the spirit of the thread...
Even if they have to break down the door to get into the house and take custody of the child, why would they have to draw their guns? Even hand-cuffing him seems excessive unless he was resisting arrest.

I guess their actions come off as a little bit more reasonable when you take into account that this is the country where pretty much everyone has a gun, including deranged lunatics, but it's still a great example of how assuming the worst can make bad outcomes more likely. It would be far less likely for one of them to shoot a guy to death because they mistakenly thought that "it looked like he was reaching for a gun" if your gun is in the holster.
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Arizona officers storm house with guns drawn.

Although this may not be entirely within the spirit of the thread...
Guns drawn or not, I think they might have saved the kid's life.
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Sarah Beck brought her 2-year-old son to Southwest College of Naturopathic Medicine on Feb. 25 and was told he had a temperature of more than 105, according to reports by the Chandler Police Department.
Even then they didn't want to being the kid to the hospital.

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Old 31st March 2019, 07:23 AM   #1017
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I guess their actions come off as a little bit more reasonable when you take into account that this is the country where pretty much everyone has a gun, including deranged lunatics...
Except that this isn't even close to true. It's more like 20-30% of Americans who own one or more guns
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Old 22nd April 2019, 04:12 AM   #1018
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Police kill man with gun in open carry state for obeying their commands to put it down.

https://reason.com/2019/04/15/police...fore-he-could/

Remember that both obeying and disobeying police commands is always a good reason for them to shoot.
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"A lot of police departments don't have the money or resources to do thorough background checks on candidates, and police misconduct is often secretive and hard to uncover, reports CBS News' Jeff Pegues. He spoke to an Ohio police chief who said an officer fired twice from his department went on to become the police chief of a nearby town.

Michael Goodwin, the police chief of New Philadelphia, Ohio, said there is one word that comes to mind when he hears the name of his department's former officer, David Cimperman: chaos.

"He was here for 15 years before he resigned. The city fired him twice. An arbitrator gave him his job back twice," Goodwin said. "He was being wrote up or disciplined by his supervisors on a regular basis.""


See the system works, remember that when ever you see in a story about officer misconduct that they got fired, will the being fired stick or will they get their job back?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/officer...ef-of-another/
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
Police kill man with gun in open carry state for obeying their commands to put it down.

https://reason.com/2019/04/15/police...fore-he-could/

Remember that both obeying and disobeying police commands is always a good reason for them to shoot.
I cannot watch those body cam videos any more, they are so sickening. The cop who shot the lad in the hotel corridor who was clearly trying to obey his commands was the final straw.
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I cannot watch those body cam videos any more, they are so sickening. The cop who shot the lad in the hotel corridor who was clearly trying to obey his commands was the final straw.
I generally stopped watching years ago - until people actually start sending these murderous cops to jail, it's just watching a bunch of snuff films.
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I generally stopped watching years ago - until people actually start sending these murderous cops to jail, it's just watching a bunch of snuff films.
They are feel good law and order snuff films.
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I generally stopped watching years ago - until people actually start sending these murderous cops to jail, it's just watching a bunch of snuff films.
Yes, there is nothing to be gained. You cannot learn how to behave when no matter what you do, you risk being shot dead. Run away, shot dead. Crawl towards, shot dead. Move slowly, shot dead. Not have gun in hand, shot dead. have gun in hand, shot dead. Admit to having a gun, shot dead. Deny having a gun, shot dead.

It is just your luck as to how scared and/or trigger happy the cop who has you in his sights is.
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I generally stopped watching years ago - until people actually start sending these murderous cops to jail, it's just watching a bunch of snuff films.
That's been my view from the start.
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At least 85,000 crooked cops have been investigated for murder, excessive force, rape, drug use and lying over the last decade but only 30,000 have been stripped of their credentials

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At least 85,000 police officers have been investigated for misconduct across the country over the last ten years but only 30,000 have been de-certified, startling new records show. According to data compiled by USA Today, there have been more than 200,000 separate misconduct investigations launched into law enforcement officials since 2009.

The most common offense is excessive force which was to blame for 22,924 of the probes, but other alleged crimes were prevalent including 3,145 alleged cases of rape, child molestation or other sexual crimes and 2,307 alleged cases of domestic abuse. Of the 85,000 who were investigated, at least 30,000 were de-certified.

While the numbers may seem high, they reflect less than 10 percent of the nation's law enforcement.

Of the 85,000 investigations, there were nearly 2,500 cops who were investigated on 10 or more charges and 20 faced more than 100 allegations but were allowed to keep their badges for years. Georgia and Florida de-certified the highest number of officials but exact figures have not yet been released.

Records for many agencies, including the NYPD and agencies in California, Hawaii, Idaho, Massachusetts, New Jersey and Rhode Island were not included in the research.

It is the most extensive list to date, however, of offenses committed by those trusted to uphold the law.

For those who have lost their certification, the biggest problem was drugs and alcohol 4,537. Assaults and violence led to 3,254 people losing their credentials. More than 2,600 were found to have committed theft and 1,950 were guilty of sexual misconduct. More than 2,220 were found to have committed misconduct with a prisoner and 2,777 were found to have been dishonest...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-10-years.html

USA Today Report: https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/ne...led/2299127002
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At least 85,000 crooked cops have been investigated for murder, excessive force, rape, drug use and lying over the last decade but only 30,000 have been stripped of their credentials



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-10-years.html

USA Today Report: https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/ne...led/2299127002

"While the numbers may seem high, they reflect less than 10 percent of the nation's law enforcement."

You know what? I'd not be happy if someone pointed out that fewer than 10% of my colleagues were criminals.
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"While the numbers may seem high, they reflect less than 10 percent of the nation's law enforcement."

You know what? I'd not be happy if someone pointed out that fewer than 10% of my colleagues were criminals.
Especially if you were in law enforcement.
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As America demographically shifts to resemble Brazil or Colombia in the next 20 years, expect this to get a lot worse.
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
Police kill man with gun in open carry state for obeying their commands to put it down.

https://reason.com/2019/04/15/police...fore-he-could/

Remember that both obeying and disobeying police commands is always a good reason for them to shoot.
Originally Posted by Nessie View Post
I cannot watch those body cam videos any more, they are so sickening. The cop who shot the lad in the hotel corridor who was clearly trying to obey his commands was the final straw.


Originally Posted by Mumbles View Post
I generally stopped watching years ago - until people actually start sending these murderous cops to jail, it's just watching a bunch of snuff films.
For comparison, here's Nessie's post about a UK police officer who is being investigated by the IPCC.

Originally Posted by Nessie View Post
Social media trial ongoing about this incident;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-eng...iking-teenager

A police officer has a male cuffed. The PC then strikes the male about 6 times to the legs with his baton until the male sits down. Then the PC puts his baton away.

In terms of Officer Safety Training, it appears the PC wants more control over the male, who does appear to be pulling away on the cuffs. The legs are a green zone, so considered safe to be struck. So, striking the male on the legs to get him to sit is within OST instructions and the need to gain control of an arrested person.

What is missing is any verbal communication from the PC. OST would have officers shouting a clear instruction as to what they want the arrested person to do.
The UK is far from perfect, and indeed, far too few police officers are actually convicted (Ian Tomlinson case being the most egregious recent one) but it is vastly superior to the current US approach.
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At least 85,000 crooked cops have been investigated for murder, excessive force, rape, drug use and lying over the last decade but only 30,000 have been stripped of their credentials

....
Finding the evidence and dismissing a third of police seems to me to a high ratio. It is way higher than in Scotland.
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Finding the evidence and dismissing a third of police seems to me to a high ratio. It is way higher than in Scotland.
If they're all guilty of wrongdoing, dismissing a third of those accused is way too low. It's a big if since there's actually good reason for a criminal to make a false accusation against an arresting officer, but I have no doubt at all that the number of police officers that get dismissed for cause is far too low.
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Old 14th May 2019, 05:03 AM   #1032
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Here's another I'm not sure has been posted here: https://denver.cbslocal.com/2018/10/...-diabetic-man/

Yet another example of why I think police officers should be required to have some basic medical training. This one has a happy ending in that the victim survived. Officer Dickey naturally retained his job and went on to cost his police department another $700+ thousand after unlawfully tazing and attempting to arrest a protester.

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Originally Posted by Shadowdweller View Post
Here's another I'm not sure has been posted here: https://denver.cbslocal.com/2018/10/...-diabetic-man/

Yet another example of why I think police officers should be required to have some basic medical training. This one has a happy ending in that the victim survived. Officer Dickey naturally retained his job and went on to cost his police department another $700+ thousand after unlawfully tazing and attempting to arrest a protester.
Just can't keep a good cop down.
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Old 17th May 2019, 06:12 PM   #1034
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Originally Posted by Shadowdweller View Post
Here's another I'm not sure has been posted here: https://denver.cbslocal.com/2018/10/...-diabetic-man/

Yet another example of why I think police officers should be required to have some basic medical training. This one has a happy ending in that the victim survived. Officer Dickey naturally retained his job and went on to cost his police department another $700+ thousand after unlawfully tazing and attempting to arrest a protester.
Even if the driver was DUI, what was the justification for beating, tasering and pepper spraying him. Reportedly it took 6 officers to subdue him. **** medical training, police officers require basic human decency training.
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Even if the driver was DUI, what was the justification for beating, tasering and pepper spraying him. Reportedly it took 6 officers to subdue him. **** medical training, police officers require basic human decency training.
The "basic medical training" I'm talking about in this case is the ability to recognize that an individual in an altered state of consciousness might not actually be capable of complying. In addition to the fact that resisting/protecting the body in response to pain is a reflexive response. Since failing to understand those things is the only possible way I can even imagine someone thinking that level of force might be even remotely appropriate. But yeah.

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We’re obviously in agreement here, but I can’t fathom the mindset of someone who would describe a person in the foetal position because he’d just beaten him with a steel baton as “uncooperative”, which is then used to justify further physical abuse.
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We’re obviously in agreement here, but I can’t fathom the mindset of someone who would describe a person in the foetal position because he’d just beaten him with a steel baton as “uncooperative”, which is then used to justify further physical abuse.
Yeah, I can't either. Maybe some part of that mindset involves the presumption that anyone not co-operating precisely when ordered to is dangerous? To be fair, I have also personally witnessed seemingly helpless individuals cause serious injury to people. For example, an almost entirely comatose (and extremely elderly) patient throwing a young, strong CNA to that was attending to him to the ground with enough force that she needed hospitalization; though beating the individual who caused that injury obviously wouldn't have served any positive purpose. This sort of mindset seems to be a very common theme in attacks like these - for example the Wheatcroft tazing from Glendale, AZ, that someone posted upthread a couple pages. Or the death of Adam Trammell, also posted upthread (who WAS resisting - because they kept hurting him).

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A former policeman in the US state of Minnesota has been sentenced to 12 years and six months in prison for fatally shooting an unarmed woman who was trying to report a possible crime.

Mohamed Noor shot Justine Ruszczyk Damond as she approached his patrol car to report a possible rape behind her Minneapolis home in July 2017..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48562834
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
A former policeman in the US state of Minnesota has been sentenced to 12 years and six months in prison for fatally shooting an unarmed woman who was trying to report a possible crime.

Mohamed Noor shot Justine Ruszczyk Damond as she approached his patrol car to report a possible rape behind her Minneapolis home in July 2017..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48562834
He's black and has funny name. No white American cop would even have been charged; and multiple posters here would have been defending him.
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Phoenix police are investigating after a video emerged of an incident where police are detaining a family. In the video, one of the officers is seen using foul language and viciously sweeping a handcuffed man's leg while the man pleads that he is cooperating. Meanwhile, another officer is seen pointing a gun at the man's pregnant wife and toddler children as he orders them out of the car, later trying to pull one of the children out of the mother's arms so he can handcuff her.

Here is a direct link to the full video. The police were allegedly responding to a report that one of the children had grabbed and taken a doll while the family was leaving a dollar store. Despite the fact that both of the adults were detained and handcuffed in this incident, neither was arrested, nor have they been charged with anything.
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