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Old 16th May 2019, 01:29 PM   #1
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Is 5G Technology Really A Health Risk?

I was unable to find a discussion here relating to 5G technology. So, I thought I'd start one.

There are those who claim 5G technology emits extremely high levels of radiation and that it causes reduced fertility and cancer, etc.

(If really pressed for time, begin the video below at 15:30.).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdsIY5ixxyw

Conspiracy theory?

Genuine risk to health?

What are your thought?
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Old 16th May 2019, 01:31 PM   #2
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It's bollocks.
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Old 16th May 2019, 01:59 PM   #3
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Betteridge says "no".
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Old 16th May 2019, 02:27 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
It's bollocks.
I tend to agree, especially along the lines it is in principle not worse than 4 G. I do think some research on this issue should continue as grey areas around this technology do exist. I found this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag1hkv2Upww quite informative.
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Old 16th May 2019, 03:05 PM   #5
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From Wiki: Verizon opened service on a very limited number of base stations in the US cities of Chicago and Minneapolis using 400 MHz of 28 GHz millimeter wave spectrum. Download speeds in Chicago were from 80 to 900 Mbps. Upload speeds were from 12 to 57 Mbit/s. Ping was 25 milliseconds.[5]

Where as 4-g uses only 100 mhz. So 5-g is 4 times as fast.

Is 28 Ghz in the ionization area? No, I didn't think so.
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Old 16th May 2019, 03:16 PM   #6
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Rather OT, but I feel a better question might be just how much 5G is hype (including the rollout schedule)?

Secure IoT backbone? Please!

Coverage as good as 4G? In your dreams!

Etc.
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Old 16th May 2019, 03:28 PM   #7
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EM radiation becomes light before it becomes ionizing. Simple.
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Old 16th May 2019, 03:29 PM   #8
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Apparently the Russians are pushing this conspiracy theory. Don't know why.

https://bgr.com/2019/05/13/5g-vs-hea...-nyt-explains/
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Old 16th May 2019, 03:43 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Apparently the Russians are pushing this conspiracy theory. Don't know why.

https://bgr.com/2019/05/13/5g-vs-hea...-nyt-explains/
Seems pretty obvious why.
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Old 20th May 2019, 05:40 PM   #10
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Originally Posted by snoop4truth View Post
There are those who claim 5G technology emits extremely high levels of radiation and that it causes reduced fertility and cancer, etc.
A YouTube video with the title "5G APOCALYPSE EXTINCTION EVENT" is automatically dubious just for being in all caps. A bit of craziness with "extinction event" and the description ("A full length documentary by Sacha Stone exposing the 5G existential threat to humanity in a way we never imagined possible!") suggests technology paranoia.

Maybe Sacha Stone of New Earth is a scientist or other expert on ionizing radiation? No - a former rock musician and artist with non-science articles on that web site, including "An excerpt of Sacha Stone discoursing on the Vatican complex as the genesis of war, disease and poverty in our times".

Is 5G dangerous? We asked an expert: "According to expert agencies and the studies we have so far, there’s nothing to suggest 5G mmWave is a significant health risk, but it’s clear there is more research to be done on the subject. . If you’re the type to be cautious, it’s always possible to reduce RF radiation exposure." .
5G networks: Are they dangerous to our health?: Covers most of the same facts. There is evidence that any Wi-Fi has effects but no credible evidence that 2G, 3G and 4G technologies have effects on humans. Expose rats and mice to levels much higher than humans are exposed to and there is damage.

FDA: Current Research Results: "The results of most studies conducted to date indicate that there is not. In addition, attempts to replicate and confirm the few studies that did show a connection have failed."

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Old 21st May 2019, 07:20 AM   #11
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Originally Posted by Dr.Sid View Post
EM radiation becomes light before it becomes ionizing. Simple.
This. To exist at all life needs to be able to cope with significant amounts of EM radiation up to the frequency of visible light. There is no reason to think anything below ~1 000 000 GHz isn't safe.
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Originally Posted by Reality Check View Post
Maybe Sacha Stone of New Earth is a scientist or other expert on ionizing radiation? No - a former rock musician and artist with non-science articles on that web site, including "An excerpt of Sacha Stone discoursing on the Vatican complex as the genesis of war, disease and poverty in our times".
Shockingly, Mr. Stone's entire philosophy is based on a logical fallacy - the appeal to nature.

Originally Posted by whackadoodle what made some video
This investigation has taught me that what we need to understand in order to break through the veil, is the distinction between the living and the fictitious. Living men and women of the living soil is the term I frequently use in order to underscore that distinction. The only thing that is real in this world (in the truest sense) is relationship. Relationships between living souls and living souls and the relationship between living souls and a living planet. People and planet. Gaia. Everything else is fictitious.

Which is where the NewEarth Project comes in. Calling for a return to rural communities, coupled to organic living, lives in bio-resonance with natures codes and self-sustaining resource-based economies and the singular absence of usury.

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Well no because 5G isn't like an actual thing that exists. It's a marketing term that doesn't really apply to any specific technology.
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Old 24th May 2019, 11:26 AM   #14
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There's a Snopes article from last week about an image being circulated of a worker wearing a Tyvek suit while working on a cell tower, calling it "a hazmat radiation suit".
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Old 24th May 2019, 12:01 PM   #15
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Originally Posted by carlitos View Post
Shockingly, Mr. Stone's entire philosophy is based on a logical fallacy - the appeal to nature.

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Which is where the NewEarth Project comes in. Calling for a return to rural communities, coupled to organic living, lives in bio-resonance with natures codes and self-sustaining resource-based economies and the singular absence of usury
While I acknowledge I may be reading too much into it, the highlighted seems like code for "no Jews."


As for the topic at hand, my first question to cell phone radiation panickers is always this: Why haven't you been protesting radio and TV? Our cells have been saturated with Jerry Mathers and Lucille Ball for a very long time.
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Old 24th May 2019, 01:15 PM   #16
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Well no because 5G isn't like an actual thing that exists. It's a marketing term that doesn't really apply to any specific technology.
Qhat>!!* How many G's can a human being withstand before blacking out?!!





*And yes, I meant to do that! OK, it originally started out as a typo but I thought it still "worked". YMMV.
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Old 26th May 2019, 02:11 PM   #17
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Well no because 5G isn't like an actual thing that exists. It's a marketing term that doesn't really apply to any specific technology.
This is 5G, JoeMorgue.
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5G is generally seen as the fifth generation cellular network technology that provides broadband access.
It is a very specific, quite different technology. Not very different because it still uses microwaves. Quite different in the technology needed to process the different area of the spectrum.
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Old 26th May 2019, 02:18 PM   #18
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This is 5G, JoeMorgue.

It is a very specific, quite different technology. Not very different because it still uses microwaves. Quite different in the technology needed to process the different area of the spectrum.
From your link.

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...Five companies sell 5G radio hardware and 5G systems for carriers: Huawei, ZTE, Nokia, Samsung, and Ericsson

Not any more. Bwahahahahahahahahaha ..... ***cough***
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Originally Posted by Babbylonian View Post
.... Jerry Mathers and Lucille Ball.....
That's a mental image that is going to be hard to erase....
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Old 26th May 2019, 04:46 PM   #20
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Not any more.
Possibly not and only in the USA. Donald Trump issued an executive order on 15 May that allows blocking of information or communications technology transactions that his government considers a security risk. People suspect this is a part of Trump's trade war with China. Huawei is a Chinese company so they could apply it. But if Trump gets into a beef with Sweden then Ericsson is in trouble .
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I doubt that 5G fries your brain but one thing it does is interfere with the weather radar that local metrologists use too scan for storms.
We just barely dodged the tornados last night so anything that would mess that up is not a smart technology
early warnings saved a bunch of people
The 5 gigahertz band is also the part of the electromagnetic spectrum that turbulent air masses emit. So the weather radar will suffer lots of inference.
Hey let's all have speed data downloads and facetime and set weather prediction back 50 years
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Good point.

Just little detail, the air masses don't really emit any EM radiation. Meteorological radar works like any other radar, by transmitting the energy, and listening for reflected energy. In this case, it's energy reflected from water droplets, not even air itself.

The interference has been problem for years. The sources are typically long range wireless links, and lately also local WiFi hotspots. But those have marginal powers, compared to cell towers.
Still, frequency band usage its regulated and planed. If 5G is green-lit, it will be educated decision, I'm sure.
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I doubt that 5G fries your brain but one thing it does is interfere with the weather radar that local metrologists use too scan for storms.
We just barely dodged the tornados last night so anything that would mess that up is not a smart technology
early warnings saved a bunch of people
The 5 gigahertz band is also the part of the electromagnetic spectrum that turbulent air masses emit. So the weather radar will suffer lots of inference.
Hey let's all have speed data downloads and facetime and set weather prediction back 50 years
5G merely uses a wider band, 400mhz wide vs 100 for the older Gs. It's in the same range as cell phones- and digital TV. Some TV stations had to change their frequencies. So, If TV didn't interfere with weather radar, neither will 5G. And if digital TV didn't fry your brains, neither will 5G.
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5G merely uses a wider band, 400mhz wide vs 100 for the older Gs. It's in the same range as cell phones- and digital TV. Some TV stations had to change their frequencies. So, If TV didn't interfere with weather radar, neither will 5G. And if digital TV didn't fry your brains, neither will 5G.
Well actually... TV may indeed fry you brains - but not with microwaves.

TV Is Bad for Your Brain
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In the study, researchers looked at the TV viewing habits of more than 3,200 people, who were 25 years old, on average, at the start of the study. The people in the study who watched more than 3 hours of TV per day on average over the next 25 years were more likely to perform poorly on certain cognitive tests, compared with people who watched little TV, the researchers found.
But what does this have to do with 5G?

How 5G will change home internet and TV
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This means you won’t need to run a cable throughout your home to each TV, since you won’t be using cable boxes to get your TV content. No more drilling through walls. No more waiting for the cable guy.
A TV in every room means - more brain rot! And to maximize the damage:-

Huawei is developing a 5G 8K TV because that's apparently a thing now
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...Huawei is developing a 5G 8K TV because that's apparently a thing now...

Not to worry, Roger, it won't be sold in the States.
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Not to worry, Roger, it won't be sold in the States.
Unlikely, Elagabalus. Huawei might be prevented from selling 5G telecom technology for vague "national security" reasons in a Trump executive order. Maybe the idea that data sent by 5G would be siphoned off to China. TVs are not telecom equipment so the order cannot be applied.
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5G merely uses a wider band, 400mhz wide vs 100 for the older Gs. It's in the same range as cell phones- and digital TV. Some TV stations had to change their frequencies. So, If TV didn't interfere with weather radar, neither will 5G. And if digital TV didn't fry your brains, neither will 5G.

This guy might have a different perspective

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/5g-tech...-with-weather-.
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Unlikely, Elagabalus. Huawei might be prevented from selling 5G telecom technology for vague "national security" reasons in a Trump executive order. Maybe the idea that data sent by 5G would be siphoned off to China. TVs are not telecom equipment so the order cannot be applied.
Actually, as I read the news, the Trump administration's, um, restrictions would likely make it very difficult for Huawei (or any Chinese company for that matter) to develop any such "leading edge" product (soon anyway). And even if they could, they (or anyone else) likely could not import them into the US.
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Actually, as I read the news, the Trump administration's, um, restrictions would likely make it very difficult for Huawei (or any Chinese company for that matter) to develop any such "leading edge" product (soon anyway). And even if they could, they (or anyone else) likely could not import them into the US.
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Actually, as I read the news, the Trump administration's, um, restrictions would likely make it very difficult for Huawei (or any Chinese company for that matter) to develop any such "leading edge" product (soon anyway). And even if they could, they (or anyone else) likely could not import them into the US.
It is a USA executive order that applies to all telecom companies. In theory, Trump has harmed 5G technology throughout the world because telecom companies might not sell 5G at all in case that order is applied to them .

More practically, doubts about being able to enter the USA market will not stop telecom companies from developing and selling 5G technology to the rest of the world. That is one of the problems with the order in news articles - the US may start to lag behind the rest of the world in the latest technology. It is thought that the order is specifically aimed at Huawe and Chinese companies so the other companies may proceed as normal with an added security check if the order is applied fairly. Huawei may have problems with importing their 5G telecoms technology into the USA. There should be no problems with any Huawei non-telecoms technology. The executive order is a ban on USA companies from importing any telecommunications equipment that the secretary of Commerce declares to be a national security risk. A TV is not telecommunications equipment. It should be very unlikely and a bit ludicrous to declare a TV to be a national security risk.

Executive Order on Securing the Information and Communications Technology and Services Supply Chain
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the transaction involves information and communications technology or services designed, developed, manufactured, or supplied, by persons owned by, controlled by, or subject to the jurisdiction or direction of a foreign adversary;
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b)the term “foreign adversary” means any foreign government or foreign non-government person engaged in a long‑term pattern or serious instances of conduct significantly adverse to the national security of the United States or security and safety of United States persons;

However, Huawei "pulled out of the U.S. consumer market in 2018, after these concerns affected the ability to market their consumer products there" so Huawei is likely to chose not to market their new TV in the USA.
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Thanks for this.

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It is a USA executive order that applies to all telecom companies. In theory, Trump has harmed 5G technology throughout the world because telecom companies might not sell 5G at all in case that order is applied to them .

More practically, doubts about being able to enter the USA market will not stop telecom companies from developing and selling 5G technology to the rest of the world.
As I read reliable reports (from Ars Technica, for example), it's ... rather more complicated. For example, to the extent that Huawei (for example) might want to sell 5G stuff (network equipment or handsets) in the EU, for example, they will be severely limited because that stuff needs to have chips made by US (or even UK - ARM - or Singaporean or Taiwanese) companies in it, and those companies will not sell to Huawei.

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That is one of the problems with the order in news articles - the US may start to lag behind the rest of the world in the latest technology.
Cutting off your nose to spite your face; yes, quite a lot people in "the tech sector" here in the US are rather less than happy with the Trump administration for just this reason (incidentally, the US lost the lead when it failed to unequivocally embrace GSM, leading (indirectly) to the demise of Lucent and the shrinking of Motorola).

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It is thought that the order is specifically aimed at Huawe and Chinese companies so the other companies may proceed as normal with an added security check if the order is applied fairly.
(my hilite)

Aye, there's the rub.

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Huawei may have problems with importing their 5G telecoms technology into the USA. There should be no problems with any Huawei non-telecoms technology. The executive order is a ban on USA companies from importing any telecommunications equipment that the secretary of Commerce declares to be a national security risk. A TV is not telecommunications equipment. It should be very unlikely and a bit ludicrous to declare a TV to be a national security risk.

Executive Order on Securing the Information and Communications Technology and Services Supply Chain
Except for the fact that modern "consumer electronics products" contain lots and lots of chips. From many suppliers.

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However, Huawei "pulled out of the U.S. consumer market in 2018, after these concerns affected the ability to market their consumer products there" so Huawei is likely to chose not to market their new TV in the USA.
Indeed.

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So, If TV didn't interfere with weather radar, neither will 5G.
TV and weather radar use quite separate parts of the electromagnetic spectrum. TV bands end before 1 GHz. Radar bands are separate from TV bands. Weather radar tends to use C (> 4 GHz) and higher bands.

The issue with 5G is that some proposed 5G bands are next to some bands used for weather radar. There is "bleed over" from adjacent bands. There is a possibility of unacceptable bleed over from 5G communication bands to the weather radar bands. That will led to degradation of the signals or even lost signals. That is not good for timely weather results. The solution could be simply that the FCC does not sell rights to those possibly interfering bands. Another approach would be to monitor the interference and shut down any 5G bands that get close to interference limits.

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Flipping channels this after noon I caught a blurb like "only applies to products sold to the Gov.". Hence the 'security' concerns.

But where do you draw the line? Any cell tower transmission equipment just might carry pentagon comms...
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As I read reliable reports (from Ars Technica, for example), it's ... rather more complicated. For example, to the extent that Huawei (for example) might want to sell 5G stuff (network equipment or handsets) in the EU, for example, they will be severely limited because that stuff needs to have chips made by US (or even UK - ARM - or Singaporean or Taiwanese) companies in it, and those companies will not sell to Huawei.
Perhaps a source would be good. I have found
ARM is the latest partner to shun Huawei, so how will it design chips?
This looks like an overreaction from ARM, maybe thinking that the executive order is a ban on all Huawei products. The order gives the Secretary of Commerce the power to ban telecom products from a company because of "national security risks". There may never be a ban an any Huawei product. Any ban would probably be not be on smartphones since it is a stretch to define them as telecom technology.

On the other hand, read the vagueness in Executive Order on Securing the Information and Communications Technology and Services Supply Chain
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(c)the term “information and communications technology or services” means any hardware, software, or other product or service primarily intended to fulfill or enable the function of information or data processing, storage, retrieval, or communication by electronic means, including transmission, storage, and display;
Does this include TV remote devices which transmit data by electronic means ? What about PCs that transmit data by electronic means even when not connected to the internet? Home WiFi devices? Hard drives?
If Huawei write a word processing program could that be banned? What about a messaging app?
Just about every electronic device today transmits or stores or displays data electronically, e.g. Internet of things. Ditto for software.
The other half of the vagueness equation is whether the product "poses an unacceptable risk to the national security of the United States or the security and safety of United States persons". Taken to an absurd limit: if Trump decides his made in China iPhone was insecure, could they be banned?

A reasonable interpretation for a federal executive order would be software or hardware involved in national scale transmission, storage, and display of electronic data which is has known security risks across the nation to make the risk unacceptable. That seems to be what the news articles are about - telecoms technology. Whether the Trump administration will simply declare the risk unacceptable because it is Huawei remains to be seen.

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Again, thanks for this.

Originally Posted by Reality Check View Post
Perhaps a source would be good. I have found
ARM is the latest partner to shun Huawei, so how will it design chips?
This looks like an overreaction from ARM, maybe thinking that the executive order is a ban on all Huawei products. The order gives the Secretary of Commerce the power to ban telecom products from a company because of "national security risks". There may never be a ban an any Huawei product. Any ban would probably be not be on smartphones since it is a stretch to define them as telecom technology.

On the other hand, read the vagueness in Executive Order on Securing the Information and Communications Technology and Services Supply Chain

Does this include TV remote devices which transmit data by electronic means ? What about PCs that transmit data by electronic means even when not connected to the internet? Home WiFi devices? Hard drives?
If Huawei write a word processing program could that be banned? What about a messaging app?
Just about every electronic device today transmits or stores or displays data electronically, e.g. Internet of things. Ditto for software.
The other half of the vagueness equation is whether the product "poses an unacceptable risk to the national security of the United States or the security and safety of United States persons". Taken to an absurd limit: if Trump decides his made in China iPhone was insecure, could they be banned?

A reasonable interpretation for a federal executive order would be software or hardware involved in national scale transmission, storage, and display of electronic data which is has known security risks across the nation to make the risk unacceptable. That seems to be what the news articles are about - telecoms technology. Whether the Trump administration will simply declare the risk unacceptable because it is Huawei remains to be seen.
Perhaps we could move to a different board, to continue discussing this? We've strayed rather a long way from what health risk 5G poses (if any).
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5G poses the same health risks as other cell phone technologies, and I'm ashamed to see skeptics trying to push these under the rug. The list of risks is huge:

1. Texting while driving
2. Walking into traffic while staring at Candy Crush on the phone
3. Inciting murder while blocking the line at the fast food place while you just finish up that "quick text"

There are hundreds more...

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Originally Posted by JeanTate View Post
Perhaps we could move to a different board, to continue discussing this?
I am not that interested in the politics behind a possible ban on Huawei 5G telecom products. A couple of posts here clarifying what is happening is enough.
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Somehow I picture a person protesting the hazards of 5G, furiously posting to the internet on his wireless laptop.
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My 11-year-old MacBook is, for some reason, 5G capable. Now that I have a wifi router that's also 5G capable, I can choose between 5G and, um, not 5G.

The only difference I can tell is that with not 5G, the wifi still works in the bathroom. With 5G, it doesn't. Clearly, we desperately need this revolutionary technology!
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