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Old Today, 10:37 AM   #961
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
I don't know that there is a specific executive order about ending subsidies. But the official White House spokesperson said it. Not everything involves an executive order from the president. It could be the secretary of HHS.
I'll try to keep an eye out for something that confirms this. It's been being talked about for a couple of years now, and it has pretty massive impacts.
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Originally Posted by Travis View Post
You do realize this will kill people, right?

Is being "correct" so much more important than saving lives?
It's not going to kill anyone.

And yes, actually, being just and legal IS more important than saving lives. Heck, it's feasible that some good samaritan could rob a bank and use all the money to pay the hospital bills of those in need. Still illegal, still unjust, still not excusable. It's feasible that the government could forcibly take ownership of everything in the US, and could confiscate the earnings of every citizen, then use that money to save lives. That doesn't make it okay.

The ends don't justify the means.
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Old Today, 10:52 AM   #963
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President Trump on Monday blasted ObamaCare, saying it is "dead" and "finished."

"ObamaCare is finished. It's dead. It's gone," Trump said during a Cabinet meeting.

"You shouldn't even mention it, it's gone. There is no such thing as ObamaCare anymore. It is a ó and I said this years ago ó it's a concept that couldn't have worked."

Trump added that in the law's "best days," it couldn't have worked.
The comments come after the White House announced last week that it would end key payments to insurers selling ObamaCare plans.
http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare...macare-anymore

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Trump's breathless excitement over exclaiming the death of Obamacare reinforces my belief that his almost singular policy is the erasure of Obama from the National consciousness. Recklessly. To the detriment of the country. To the detriment of himself. Our new Ahab.
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Old Today, 12:15 PM   #966
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What Trump is up to:
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His main strategy is trying to prevent healthy people from entering the normal insurance market. The administration has all but stopped advertising the Obamacare insurance exchanges, which serve people who donít already have coverage. Absent this outreach, people who desperately need insurance ó the sick ó will dominate sign-ups, and prices will soar. Imagine if the life insurance market were dominated by people whoíd already turned 80.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/15/o...trumpcare.html

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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/12/u...T.nav=top-news
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Originally Posted by Bob001 View Post
Okay, I'm gonna quibble. YEs, Trump is busy trying to destroy ACA. Yes, he's going about it in a reckless and negligent way with no consideration to the harm being done in the process...

But this quote is absurd. The advertising that is funded by the government has had very little impact on the market. And insurers advertise for open enrollment too. The government no longer funding this specific type of advertising is NOT going to destroy the market and leave only the sick signing up. Seriously, this is a ridiculous claim.

There's plenty of other things that can AND SHOULD be attacked with respect to the current administration's handling of ACA. This is a distraction from that.
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Originally Posted by Argumemnon View Post
<unplugs tv grandma's ventilator> See? I told you that machine wouldn't work forever!
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Originally Posted by Emily's Cat View Post
Okay, I'm gonna quibble. YEs, Trump is busy trying to destroy ACA. Yes, he's going about it in a reckless and negligent way with no consideration to the harm being done in the process...

But this quote is absurd. The advertising that is funded by the government has had very little impact on the market. And insurers advertise for open enrollment too. The government no longer funding this specific type of advertising is NOT going to destroy the market and leave only the sick signing up. Seriously, this is a ridiculous claim.

There's plenty of other things that can AND SHOULD be attacked with respect to the current administration's handling of ACA. This is a distraction from that.

The story sets out many of those things. Maybe this is a more representative quote:
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Last week, the administration took several steps to deprive people of health insurance. In doing so, it has both a short-term goal (have the federal government do less to help vulnerable citizens) and a long-term goal (sabotage Obamacare, so that Congress can more easily repeal the law).
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/15/o...trumpcare.html

And this:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/12/u...T.nav=top-news

But I think you're making a big mistake if you think advertising doesn't matter, especially in the face of dishonest political claims that "Obamacare is broken." Telling people who don't have insurance what's available and how to get it is about as basic as you can get, especially when there is an enrollment deadline. Watch any hour of prime-time TV and count how many minutes are paid advertising. You wanna claim it's not effective?
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Originally Posted by Bob001 View Post
But I think you're making a big mistake if you think advertising doesn't matter, especially in the face of dishonest political claims that "Obamacare is broken." Telling people who don't have insurance what's available and how to get it is about as basic as you can get, especially when there is an enrollment deadline. Watch any hour of prime-time TV and count how many minutes are paid advertising. You wanna claim it's not effective?
I'm not saying that advertising doesn't matter. I'm saying that advertising paid for by the government is unnecessary.

Over the past several years, the government advertising has made no measurable difference in the volume of enrollments. The advertising was in a limited number of areas, and was quite expensive, and showed no actual increase in enrollments - it didn't generate lift. The insurers are advertising already, and will continue to do so - it's in their interests to bring in lower cost people, after all. The additional advertising in such a small footprint at such a large price is not a good use of funds.
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This is a very good observation paired with an excellent kicker.


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His single-minded obsession with dismantling the Affordable Care Act isnít an impulse that stems from some deeply held right wing ideology, but from his primitive desire to brutalize Obama, the person, in the public square. He sees the steady progress heís made rolling back Obama-era regulations and administrative action not as policy changes that will serve the public interest, or as legacy burnishing accomplishments in their own right, but as his most proximate means of needling a defenseless nemesis. Of owning Obama. Nay, of pwning him.

Perhaps Obama is highly insulted by all this pwnage. Thatís the fantasy anyhow. But as in Moscow four years ago (allegedly) Trump hasnít come around to the fact that the bed heís befouling isnít Obamaís anymore. Itís his. And, unfortunately, itís ours, too.
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