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Old Today, 12:06 AM   #441
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
After that utterly, ridiculous opening sentence, it's called:

Well, good to know that more than one sentence is still too much for you to parse
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Old Today, 03:27 AM   #442
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I dont know where the big dog is getting his info, but the ABC (a highly respected media service here) is not the only one covering the trials, the 3 commercial tv broadcasters are as is SBS

And none of them have anything to do with the Royal Commission apart from being allowed to provide media coverage of parts of it. The Royal Commission is the highest level of government criminal investigation, and it has almost 100% public support (the only ones unhappy with it are strangely enough the ones being investigated for the commission of criminal activities)

Cardinal Pell has (afaik) not been accused of any pedophilia activities himself, what he (and others) are under investigation for is the covering up of criminal activities, the payments made by the church to victims (although of questionable moral value) arent the major focus, the focus is the lack of reporting of crimes against children which should have happened and didnt, and the result was in many cases further abuse, that the church knew was happening on an ongoing basis but covered it up rather than allowing its name to be brought into disrepute.

The sad part of course is that now its even more public and its actions even more shameful than if they had simply done the right thing in the first place, but then coverups always end up doing that
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Old Today, 03:58 AM   #443
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Originally Posted by Dabop View Post
I dont know where the big dog is getting his info, but the ABC (a highly respected media service here) is not the only one covering the trials, the 3 commercial tv broadcasters are as is SBS

And none of them have anything to do with the Royal Commission apart from being allowed to provide media coverage of parts of it. The Royal Commission is the highest level of government criminal investigation, and it has almost 100% public support (the only ones unhappy with it are strangely enough the ones being investigated for the commission of criminal activities)

Cardinal Pell has (afaik) not been accused of any pedophilia activities himself, what he (and others) are under investigation for is the covering up of criminal activities, the payments made by the church to victims (although of questionable moral value) arent the major focus, the focus is the lack of reporting of crimes against children which should have happened and didnt, and the result was in many cases further abuse, that the church knew was happening on an ongoing basis but covered it up rather than allowing its name to be brought into disrepute.

The sad part of course is that now its even more public and its actions even more shameful than if they had simply done the right thing in the first place, but then coverups always end up doing that
For that matter, I was raised RCC and I have no clue where he gets anything from. It's almost parody RCC as presented.
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Originally Posted by Dabop View Post
I dont know where the big dog is getting his info, but the ABC (a highly respected media service here) is not the only one covering the trials,
Never claimed otherwise, but it is surprising that ABC is still well respected after their universally panned article regarding domestic abuse and religion.
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Originally Posted by Dabop View Post
I dont know where the big dog is getting his info, but the ABC (a highly respected media service here) is not the only one covering the trials, the 3 commercial tv broadcasters are as is SBS

And none of them have anything to do with the Royal Commission apart from being allowed to provide media coverage of parts of it. The Royal Commission is the highest level of government criminal investigation, and it has almost 100% public support (the only ones unhappy with it are strangely enough the ones being investigated for the commission of criminal activities)

Cardinal Pell has (afaik) not been accused of any pedophilia activities himself, what he (and others) are under investigation for is the covering up of criminal activities, the payments made by the church to victims (although of questionable moral value) arent the major focus, the focus is the lack of reporting of crimes against children which should have happened and didnt, and the result was in many cases further abuse, that the church knew was happening on an ongoing basis but covered it up rather than allowing its name to be brought into disrepute.

The sad part of course is that now its even more public and its actions even more shameful than if they had simply done the right thing in the first place, but then coverups always end up doing that

Oh yes he has. He is back in Australia now as a result of this and will go to trial next year. See post # 299.

Certainly however Pell has been very much on the nose per some time now, (apart from among the faithful), for his lack of action to protect the innocent , (didn't have much interest in this - from his own words), and his overwhelming interest in protecting the good name of the church. When you listen to him being interviewed by the Royal Commission, you cannot miss the expressions of incredulity, (by the Commissioner and his assistant), in response to his feeble testimony.

No doubt we will hear from The Big Dog that this was/is The Anti-Catholic Royal Commission.
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Sorry, but maybe I'm not reading it the same way you are, I still see nothing there that says he's being charged for sexual acts against children himself, it seems to me to be still concerned with the coverups of the acts of others (in itself a criminal act for which he is standing trial)

I'm willing to be corrected, but I stiill havent seen anything that specifically states what he is actually being charged with- afaik the charges still havent been made public (which your own link states)

from your link
"Australia's most senior Catholic cleric has faced his second hearing at the Melbourne Magistrates' Court, after he was charged by Victoria Police detectives in June with offences involving multiple complainants.

The exact detail and nature of the charges have not been made public."
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I watched the ABC link http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-2...e-pell/8662700 and they do say "charged with historical sexual assault offences" but apart from that one media statement by the Victorian Police spokesman, nothing else has popped up- and the wording is ambiguous- is it in relation to the pretty much universally accepted history of the church covering up child sexual assault offences and his role in that, or is it accusations against him that he personally was an abuser?

Guess we will have to wait and see what finally is happening when the formal charges are released to the public
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