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Old 26th June 2020, 10:46 AM   #1
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Will the Met ever be cleaned up?

The Met (London's police force) has for decades be stained with reprehensible behaviour by its officers, and this is top to bottom. Whether it is the old "vice squad" or the investigation into Stephen Lawrence's murder we have been told it couldn't happen again, that it was merely a few bad apples, that changes have been made and then we get this:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-53198702

In brief, we have police officers taking selfies with two corpses.and sharing them.

In what alternate world does police officers taking selfies with the corpses of two murdered people make sense?

(Never mind that the handling of the initial missing persons reports and the investigation by the police in itself stinks of the Mets' good old institutional racism.)
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Old 26th June 2020, 01:31 PM   #2
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In what alternate world does police officers taking selfies with the corpses of two murdered people make sense?
Words fail me.

I can't understand how any sane person could act like that, so the only conclusion I can come to is that they're not.
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Old 26th June 2020, 06:35 PM   #3
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I can't equate faux necromancy with " the old "vice squad" or the investigation into Stephen Lawrence's murder". A warped sense of humor doth not a bad cop make.

Now where is that thread about curent extremes in the social media......
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Old 26th June 2020, 06:51 PM   #4
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You might as well ask when all humans are going to be perfect at all times and under all circumstances.
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Old 27th June 2020, 07:07 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by casebro View Post
I can't equate faux necromancy with " the old "vice squad" or the investigation into Stephen Lawrence's murder". A warped sense of humor doth not a bad cop make.

Now where is that thread about curent extremes in the social media......
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You might as well ask when all humans are going to be perfect at all times and under all circumstances.
What a load of nonsense.
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Old 27th June 2020, 07:17 AM   #6
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A couple of bad cops discovered and dealt with.

The Met needs to be cleaned up?

No, this is gold medal winning nonsense.
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Old 27th June 2020, 07:22 AM   #7
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It depends whether it is just a couple of 'rotten apples', or if something in the recruitment, training or organisational structure can explain this.

One question to ask is why they (presumably) assumed they would get away with it.
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Old 27th June 2020, 07:26 AM   #8
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Originally Posted by Elaedith View Post
It depends whether it is just a couple of 'rotten apples', or if something in the recruitment, training or organisational structure can explain this.

One question to ask is why they (presumably) assumed they would get away with it.
Oh I agree with this, but when world police forces are lined up, the Met is at the top of the pile.

Obviously not perfect, but the OP is utter nonsense.
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Old 27th June 2020, 07:29 AM   #9
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Not just my opinion.

https://www.wonderslist.com/10-count...police-forces/

England. Metropolitan (Scotland Yard Police) The United Kingdom police force is at top on our list.
Canada. RCMP. ...
Netherlands. Royal Marechaussee, The Gendarmerie. ...
France. National Police of France. ...
Japan. Japanese National police. ...
USA. NYPD, LAPD, CHP. ...
Australia. AFP. ...
Germany. BMI, Federal Police. ...
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
A couple of bad cops discovered and dealt with.

The Met needs to be cleaned up?

No, this is gold medal winning nonsense.
Socio-political activism never sleeps. Fanaticism causes insomnia.
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Old 27th June 2020, 07:31 AM   #11
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There are plenty of other lists with the Met in the top 10.
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
Not just my opinion.

https://www.wonderslist.com/10-count...police-forces/

England. Metropolitan (Scotland Yard Police) The United Kingdom police force is at top on our list.
Canada. RCMP. ...
Netherlands. Royal Marechaussee, The Gendarmerie. ...
France. National Police of France. ...
Japan. Japanese National police. ...
USA. NYPD, LAPD, CHP. ...
Australia. AFP. ...
Germany. BMI, Federal Police. ...
That article doesn't say that the MET doesn't need to be cleaned up. It just ranks the different police forces.
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That article doesn't say that the MET doesn't need to be cleaned up. It just ranks the different police forces.
Oh, brilliant gotcha.

The best police force in the world needs to be cleaned up. So does my room.

Okay, the Met will never be cleaned up. Happy?
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There are plenty of other lists with the Met in the top 10.
Do the others also place China in the top 10? I wouldn't place much faith in this one. It seems to be about how effective 'techniques' are. One effective police technique used in China is torture.
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Oh, brilliant gotcha.

The best police force in the world needs to be cleaned up. So does my room.

Okay, the Met will never be cleaned up. Happy?
You clearly do not understand socio-political activism. Lionking, they don't sleep. I already told you that.
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Old 29th June 2020, 10:04 AM   #16
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
The Met (London's police force) has for decades be stained with reprehensible behaviour by its officers, and this is top to bottom. Whether it is the old "vice squad" or the investigation into Stephen Lawrence's murder we have been told it couldn't happen again, that it was merely a few bad apples, that changes have been made and then we get this:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-53198702

In brief, we have police officers taking selfies with two corpses.and sharing them.

In what alternate world does police officers taking selfies with the corpses of two murdered people make sense?

(Never mind that the handling of the initial missing persons reports and the investigation by the police in itself stinks of the Mets' good old institutional racism.)
Seems pretty basic fitting old procedures into the digital age. Like the paramedic I knew who made a point to get Polaroids from the crime scene photographer of someone hit by a train.
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
Seems pretty basic fitting old procedures into the digital age. Like the paramedic I knew who made a point to get Polaroids from the crime scene photographer of someone hit by a train.
Do you know what a "selfie" is?
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Old 29th June 2020, 10:08 AM   #18
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
Not just my opinion.

https://www.wonderslist.com/10-count...police-forces/

England. Metropolitan (Scotland Yard Police) The United Kingdom police force is at top on our list.
Canada. RCMP. ...
Netherlands. Royal Marechaussee, The Gendarmerie. ...
France. National Police of France. ...
Japan. Japanese National police. ...
USA. NYPD, LAPD, CHP. ...
Australia. AFP. ...
Germany. BMI, Federal Police. ...
They are putting the NYPD in the 10 ten. That is some crazy stuff, I mean I guess putting rats(ie good cops) into mental hospitals is better than when they just shot them.
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Do you know what a "selfie" is?
Yes, but this was in the late 90's so selfies were not a thing yet. Seems like a natural outgrowth.
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Oh, brilliant gotcha.

The best police force in the world needs to be cleaned up. So does my room.

Okay, the Met will never be cleaned up. Happy?
You think the NYPD shouldn't be criticized for not firing officers who record themselves planting evidence, after all it is one of the best police agencies in the world.
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
Yes, but this was in the late 90's so selfies were not a thing yet. Seems like a natural outgrowth.
Apparently not.

A photograph is just a photograph, no matter whether it was taken with a Polaroid or a cell phone.

A "selfie" is a photograph taken OF THE PHOTOGRAPHER, frequently with some object of interest in the background.

An investigation would not require selfies, as they'd be photos of the investigators. DI Jane Tennison does not smile and take a selfie with the corpse behind her, she just photographs the corpse itself.
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Apparently not.

A photograph is just a photograph, no matter whether it was taken with a Polaroid or a cell phone.

A "selfie" is a photograph taken OF THE PHOTOGRAPHER, frequently with some object of interest in the background.

An investigation would not require selfies, as they'd be photos of the investigators. DI Jane Tennison does not smile and take a selfie with the corpse behind her, she just photographs the corpse itself.
This wasn't about an investigation it was for the personal collection of a paramedic who as it was a case of obvious death was not involved in any kind of treatment. Photographs for the investigation are one thing, ones for someones private collection are something else.
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
This wasn't about an investigation it was for the personal collection of a paramedic who as it was a case of obvious death was not involved in any kind of treatment. Photographs for the investigation are one thing, ones for someones private collection are something else.
Agreed. The latter is ghoulish intrusion, grossly unprofessional, and ought to be stamped out as firmly as possible.

Where I live such behavior would result in the guilty party being sued so blue they, their employer, and their families for ten generations would be mistaken for Smurfs. And rightly so.
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Agreed. The latter is ghoulish intrusion, grossly unprofessional, and ought to be stamped out as firmly as possible.

Where I live such behavior would result in the guilty party being sued so blue they, their employer, and their families for ten generations would be mistaken for Smurfs. And rightly so.
As it should be, but I know emergency services personnel and at the time it was regarded as mildly eccentric.
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Society is full of bad people. Some apply to join the police. Some manage to get in by hiding their badness. Even the most thorough recruitment process (the police has such a process) cannot fail to stop the odd bad person getting a job.

What is inexcusable, is the subsequent failure by the police to deal with those bad cops and learn from mistakes. One of the problems is that Professional Standards see their role as protecting the good name of the police, so they are as inclined to cover up misconduct by down playing it, as they are at tackling it.
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
Not just my opinion.

https://www.wonderslist.com/10-count...police-forces/

England. Metropolitan (Scotland Yard Police) The United Kingdom police force is at top on our list.
Canada. RCMP. ...
Netherlands. Royal Marechaussee, The Gendarmerie. ...
France. National Police of France. ...
Japan. Japanese National police. ...
USA. NYPD, LAPD, CHP. ...
Australia. AFP. ...
Germany. BMI, Federal Police. ...
That the list uses the following description;

"England. Metropolitan (Scotland Yard Police) The United Kingdom police force is at top on our list..."

should raise alarm bells that whoever wrote the list is clueless. They suggest this is noteworthy;

"The Metropolitan has truly gone beyond their expected duties to launch a campaign to raise awareness of the police emergency number."

The 999 number needs no awareness campaign. Then this;

"The Scotland Yard Police of the UK, otherwise known as one of the best police forces, has also been spread out in all of the main cities..."

No effort has been made to find metrics to compare the various police forces, such as detection rates, number of complaints, satisfaction survey results etc.
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What a load of nonsense.
Please provide a detailed explanation by what you mean by "cleaned up".
Please provide some sort of detailed analysis with studies to support whatever definition you come up with.
As this is a sceptics board anecdotal evidence is pretty well worthless so please refrain from quotes and newspaper articles.
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