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Old 27th June 2020, 07:47 PM   #1881
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Originally Posted by Meadmaker View Post
Can't argue with you there.

11 shot, four dead? You're right. I didn't even know it had happened.

ETA: And I googled it and couldn't find it. I think I might be misunderstanding of your description.
My apologies, after rereading my post I can understand why it's easily misunderstood. There were two separate events. One in Minneapolis where 11 people were shot at a theater and the other in Charlotte during a Juneteenth celebration where 4 were killed, 5 shot and 4 more were injured by vehicles leaving the scene.

The links can be found up thread
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Old 27th June 2020, 08:10 PM   #1882
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4 people shot at northwest Fresno party, police searching for suspects
https://abc30.com/4-people-shot-at-n...pects/6274608/


4 shot at a house party in Brooklyn, New York.
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Law enforcement sources said the first incident happened at 4:14 a.m. on June 27, when a gunman opened fire on a crowd at a house party in Brooklyn, injuring four people.

The incident happened at a home on Rockaway Parkway near Avenue B in Canarsie. Police said the unidentified gunman walked in on the bash and started pulling the trigger.
https://www.amny.com/brooklyn/seven-...and-manhattan/


4 shot in Peoria, Illinois
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Then, about 10 minutes later, at 2:46 a.m., a ShotSpotter alert indicated a barrage of gunfire, 37 rounds, in the 1400 block of Southwest Jefferson Street.
https://www.pjstar.com/news/20200627...a?rssfeed=true
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Old 28th June 2020, 08:08 PM   #1883
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Here is a mass shooting that finally made the rounds on most MSM outlets:

3 dead + 4 shot by disgruntled ex-employee at a Walmart distribution center in Redding, California. The gunmen, who used an AR-15, was among those killed.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/...enter-71497302
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Old 29th June 2020, 08:50 AM   #1884
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7 shot after argument in Hale County, Tennessee.
https://www.cbs42.com/alabama-news/a...n-hale-county/


3 dead + 1 shot after third-party gets involved in domestic dispute.
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/s...1593407708.png


1 dead + 3 shot in Kensington neighborhood of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/20...in-kensington/
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Old 29th June 2020, 11:08 AM   #1885
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Originally Posted by Bogative View Post
7 shot after argument in Hale County, Tennessee.
https://www.cbs42.com/alabama-news/a...n-hale-county/
Hales County, Nearly 60% black.


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3 dead + 1 shot after third-party gets involved in domestic dispute.
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/s...1593407708.png
The man who did the shooting? Marlon Tucker


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1 dead + 3 shot in Kensington neighborhood of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/20...in-kensington/
A reasonably diverse neighborhood, tending towards heavily hispanic
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Old 29th June 2020, 01:07 PM   #1886
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You do understand the link between poverty and violence?

And the difference between criminals killing criminals, and police killing innocent people?
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Old 29th June 2020, 01:29 PM   #1887
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
You do understand the link between poverty and violence?

And the difference between criminals killing criminals, and police killing innocent people?
Judging by his posts, probably not!
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Old 29th June 2020, 02:24 PM   #1888
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
And the difference between criminals killing criminals, and police killing innocent people?
Black Lives Matter would like to have a few words with you. A conversation, if you will.
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Old 29th June 2020, 02:29 PM   #1889
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
You do understand the link between poverty and violence?

And the difference between criminals killing criminals, and police killing innocent people?
.....and criminals killing innocent people, and police killing criminals.

You left out a part.
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Old 29th June 2020, 02:32 PM   #1890
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Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy View Post
Kensington is not "reasonably" anything.
Google "shooting Kensington Philadelphia" and you will have difficulty locating a specific one unless you are certain of the date- and which one from that date you are looking for.
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Old 29th June 2020, 04:39 PM   #1891
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
You do understand the link between poverty and violence?

And the difference between criminals killing criminals, and police killing innocent people?

Police are on salary when they do it.

And they have laws crafted specifically to protect them from oversight and legal retribution.

And they have unions to pay for their lawyers.
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Old 29th June 2020, 05:04 PM   #1892
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Originally Posted by quadraginta View Post
Police are on salary when they do it.

And they have laws crafted specifically to protect them from oversight and legal retribution.

And they have unions to pay for their lawyers....
... and to prevent changes to the laws that would make them accountable.
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Old 29th June 2020, 05:14 PM   #1893
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
You do understand the link between poverty and violence?

And the difference between criminals killing criminals, and police killing innocent people?
Really, you are talking about black criminals killing black criminals. When that happens you lose two criminals forever and that is acceptable, or at least more acceptable than other kinds of lost lives, and most especially innocent lives. But then you have to put aside black lives mattering, in order to avoid the bold hypocrisy.

If you actually had a conversation with BLM leaders, it would be spicy. Security would be required for your safety. Both parties would need to be searched for weapons before the discussion starts. That sounds weird to do for jimbob, but you have to and you will learn why.

Jimbob is an apologist for the slaughter of black lives including children and babies, and the slaughter is delivered by black criminals. Consequent revenge with more slaughter causes the numbers to ramp up steadily. But this is fine because it's only just criminals all the way down, and so who really cares?

All of this is immediately clear to the BLM leader guy. And it couldn't be any worse because all of this is coming from a "left wing" white guy. He's pulling a trick to actually eliminate the black community. So you really can't let BLM bring a gun or knife, but killings can be done with bare hands.

And you certainly can't let the other side have a gun or knife, because the other side apologizes for, or even may be seen as an advocate for, the slaughter of black lives including children and babies. That would represent a clear and present danger for BLM, because that would seem to be the kind of "other side" who would shoot a black BLM guy right there during, or at the end of the conversation.

And a shooting in the back while either side is running away is completely fair game. If BLM kills the other by a shot to the back, this "cowardly murderer" could easily become a national hero with statues of him erected and plaques that all explained what happened and why. None of those statues would be pulled down. The reason is simple.

Black Lives Matter!
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Old 30th June 2020, 10:08 PM   #1894
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
You do understand the link between poverty and violence?

And the difference between criminals killing criminals, and police killing innocent people?
Do you understand we're talking about mass shootings here?
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Old 30th June 2020, 10:15 PM   #1895
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Kensington is not "reasonably" anything.
Google "shooting Kensington Philadelphia" and you will have difficulty locating a specific one unless you are certain of the date- and which one from that date you are looking for.
There are apparently some blocks that have a fair number of White people but in general the neighborhood enjoys the systemic institutional privilege enjoyed by diverse and multicultural enclaves. Yes, there are alot of peaceful shootings in Kensington. That's one of the benefits of living there.
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Old Yesterday, 05:13 AM   #1896
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Originally Posted by Distracted1 View Post
.....and criminals killing innocent people, and police killing criminals.

You left out a part.
Maybe I am an unrealistic idealist, but I would hope to be able to hold the police to a higher standard than criminals.

We also know how to deal with mass shootings. The UK was a gun culture until the 1920s. You might say that reducing legal firearms wouldn't affect illegal firearms, but when you see how long illegal firearms stay in circulation - that doesn't hold up.

Restrict the legal supply of especially handguns, and require proof of safe storage and the illegal supply would dry up fairly shortly afterwards. After all, criminals don't want to be caught with incriminating firearms, so tend to dump them at the moment.




And yes, I am unhappy with police killing criminals when that is unjustified, as the police should not act as jury and judge.
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There are apparently some blocks that have a fair number of White people but in general the neighborhood enjoys the systemic institutional privilege enjoyed by diverse and multicultural enclaves. Yes, there are alot of peaceful shootings in Kensington. That's one of the benefits of living there.
That neighborhood of Philadelphia has had a reputation for violence that goes back to the days when the population was nearly entirely white. Kensington was where "the men were men and so were the women" (in the 1950's sense of the terms)

Today, if you examine the patterns of violence in Kensington, you would notice how most of it occurs within a very small distance from Emerald Street ("the emerald city" as local police refer to it) which is essentially a several block long open air drug market that draws junkies from all over the city. The dealers kill each other over turf pretty regularly (oldest story in the book) just a few blocks from where some fairly developed gentrification is occurring.

Kensington also runs to Fishtown. The exact borders between the two are vague- it depends upon who you ask. Fishtown, as you might have heard was home to the "white vigilantes" who congregated in front of their police precinct expecting trouble during the early days of the protesting- when it still resembled a riot more than it did a parade.
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Old Yesterday, 01:22 PM   #1898
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Five more mass shootings to finish out the month of June. Of the shootings I've posted over the past week, or so, only one has received much attention from the MSM and only one has mentioned gang violence, and they weren't the same, unsurprisingly.


5 shot in Davenport, Iowa in what was called a targeted shooting.
https://www.kwqc.com/2020/07/01/poli...tuesday-night/


4 shot in gang-related shooting Sylmar, California.
https://mynewsla.com/crime/2020/06/2...ing-in-sylmar/


1 dead + 3 shot during revenge shooting in Sioux Falls, South Dakota.
https://www.argusleader.com/story/ne...ng/3284334001/


4 shot at a gas station in Chicago, Illinois.
https://abc7chicago.com/4-injured-af...north/6283904/


1 dead + 4 injured during drive-by shooting in Atlanta, Georgia.
https://abc7chicago.com/4-injured-af...north/6283904/


92 reported mass shootings for the month of June.

66 dead

403 injured


The obvious solution is to defund the police.
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