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Old 30th January 2018, 10:12 AM   #1
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Et Tu, Hair Braiding?

I saw on Yahoo News that a lot of social-mediaites are upset with Kim Kardashian for her new corn-row style braids hairstyle. Is this really verboten now too?

I'm asking because I have very long, thick, occasionally unmanageable hair. I braid it in similar style from time to time, and have never really given doing so a thought. It looks nice, it keeps everything in place, and when the braids come out, I get awesome puffy curls for a day or two. I've been doing it since I was a little kid. Do I have to stop? How common is this attitude? I don't want to offend anybody, but it seems ridiculous to me.

I've come around to basically understanding the concept of cultural appropriation as it applies to things like native dress, ceremonial jewelry, traditional rituals, and the like. But aren't we broadening the definition a bit too much by including braids? I don't think Africans are the only culture who historically braided their hair. (I haven't looked into the history though - the hairstory?). In any case, I'm not trying to emulate any particular style. I was just doing something I like, something that works for me.

What does everyone here think? (Oh, and can we PLEASE be nice? My question is asked in utterly good faith.)

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What, is it cultural appropriation this time?

Ugh. If we applied that principle across the board only white dudes would be allowed to wear polo shirts.
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Old 30th January 2018, 10:19 AM   #3
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What, is it cultural appropriation this time?

Ugh. If we applied that principle across the board only white dudes would be allowed to wear polo shirts.
Yeah, that appears to be what people are claiming (cultural appropriation). I think they are also mad because she put beads on the ends of the braids and referred to the style as "Bo Derick braids" in an Instagram post. I guess I don't really understand why that's offensive either.

If this really is the new cultural attitude, I suppose I have no choice but to stop wearing braids out of the house in future (last thing I need is more trouble). But I'm just blown away that this is really a problem. I wondered how realistic the concerns actually are, and figured I'd bring the question here for a nice sampling of different reactions.

I honestly never even gave it a thought before this.
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Old 30th January 2018, 10:21 AM   #4
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I guess I don't really understand why that's offensive either.
It's about time you get the memo, then: everything is offensive. That's how you show everyone how moral and upstanding you are compared to them.
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Old 30th January 2018, 10:26 AM   #5
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The concern seems to be about the corn-row type braids, rather than other types of braids, for whatever that is worth.

I never know what to say about this sort of thing.

I think white people with dreadlocks are fine as well.

It is not, and never was, an exclusively African, Afro-Caribbean, or black thing, as any Indian Sadhu or anyone who's ever been to Tibet can tell you. Few of the people I ever knew who had dreads were the least bit influenced by Bob Marley.

I don't think it is appropriation to wear cornrows. That said, other people might, and you might find yourself facing criticism if you wear them. Unjustified criticism (IMO), but still.
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I mean, isn't the exchange of ideas and cultural elements historically a good thing?

Why do people on the far-left suddenly oppose diversity?
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Old 30th January 2018, 10:34 AM   #7
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I had the same reaction when I heard white people with dreadlocks are evil.
The only people with dreadlocks I know are alternative / skater / hippy white folks.
But apparently that's insensitive to black people and Rastafarians in particular.

But you know, it's social media. There's people who are outraged at just about anything. And outrage draws media attention.
I doubt people on the street who don't follow the Kardashians on Instagram care too much about what anyone does with their hair.
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Old 30th January 2018, 10:43 AM   #8
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Cultural appropriation either doesn't really exist, or more accurately, is practiced by most cultures so for all intents and purposes is background noise. Going full tilt pretending-you-were-born-into-and-still-live-in another culture is a harmless thing some people play at, but choosing a style here or there that happens to be popular in another culture is not any kind of disrespect or whatever. Do you.
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Old 30th January 2018, 10:53 AM   #9
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Conspiracy theory has it that Kim is OJ Simpson's daughter anyhow.
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Old 30th January 2018, 11:01 AM   #10
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The whole purpose of social media is for people to talk about things. People who seem to make social media their lives or who are trying to make them their businesses NEED to talk about things all the time, so they can get, keep and grow an audience (and get people to give them free hotel rooms and other perks for positive mentions in their feeds). If they can find a subject that can inspire discussion, passion and/or outrage it is all the better for them as it increases their audience and their power and they get more attention, more perks and more chance to make money without actually having to do anything vaguely resembling work.

Even people who aren't looking to be the center of the social media universe want to have a say, so they can look informed, progressive, caring, blah, blah, blah.

I say don't sweat it. Wear your hair as you choose, braids, cornrows, dreads, whatever. I think as long as you are NOT putting beads on your hair you are probably not going to get people in a lather over your hair. I put my hair in a French braid pretty much every day for work (I am not French), and my cultural background is Polish, Polish tradition is that young girls braid their long hair, when they marry, there is a tradition unbraiding and sometimes even cutting her hair when she marries as a symbol that she is no longer a girl.
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I alway tell my clients that the only way to avoid litigation is to never make money.

Similarly, the only way to avoid criticism on social media is to have no profile.

Once you are successful, someone will be coming after you.
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I'd just like to have hair.
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Originally Posted by isissxn View Post
I've come around to basically understanding the concept of cultural appropriation as it applies to things like native dress, ceremonial jewelry, traditional rituals, and the like.
See, I agree with you on that as well. Cultural appropriation is real - but it can be very, very hard to define.

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I'd just like to have hair.
I have awesome hair. On my back. And my shoulders. My eyebrows are becoming a thing of wonder. My head, not so much....
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Old 30th January 2018, 11:15 AM   #14
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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith View Post
I alway tell my clients that the only way to avoid litigation is to never make money.

Similarly, the only way to avoid criticism on social media is to have no profile.

Once you are successful, someone will be coming after you.
Well, I agree with you, and consequently have no profile.

My curiosity was regarding spillover - how much of this had made it offline? Would I be running the same risk walking down the street in braids as I would in, say, an ermin-fur stole? (Fur hate is pretty mainstream now, so I used it as an example. I have never worn fur.)

It sounds to me like this is still an issue largely confined to social media drama. It still makes me sad. People can't just post pics of their hair anymore without stirring up a whole ruckus. I'm glad I don't have Facebook or anything. It seems like I'd unknowingly step in it every time I made a post.
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I saw on Yahoo News that a lot of social-mediaites are upset with Kim Kardashian for her new corn-row style braids hairstyle. Is this really verboten now too?

I'm asking because I have very long, thick, occasionally unmanageable hair. I braid it in similar style from time to time, and have never really given doing so a thought. It looks nice, it keeps everything in place, and when the braids come out, I get awesome puffy curls for a day or two. I've been doing it since I was a little kid. Do I have to stop? How common is this attitude? I don't want to offend anybody, but it seems ridiculous to me.

I've come around to basically understanding the concept of cultural appropriation as it applies to things like native dress, ceremonial jewelry, traditional rituals, and the like. But aren't we broadening the definition a bit too much by including braids? I don't think Africans are the only culture who historically braided their hair. (I haven't looked into the history though - the hairstory?). In any case, I'm not trying to emulate any particular style. I was just doing something I like, something that works for me.

What does everyone here think? (Oh, and can we PLEASE be nice? My question is asked in utterly good faith.)
everything is offensive and verboten to someone somewhere

i find it best to just ignore them

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I'd just like to have hair.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here, and guess that you do have hair, just not where you would like it to be.
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Yeah, that appears to be what people are claiming (cultural appropriation). I think they are also mad because she put beads on the ends of the braids and referred to the style as "Bo Derick braids" in an Instagram post. I guess I don't really understand why that's offensive either.
Because its a 40 year old reference to a long forgotten movie?
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I tend to think it's just young people flailing about, searching for something new to be outraged about so they can show that they are more enlightened than everybody else.
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Originally Posted by isissxn View Post
I saw on Yahoo News that a lot of social-mediaites are upset with Kim Kardashian for her new corn-row style braids hairstyle. Is this really verboten now too?

I'm asking because I have very long, thick, occasionally unmanageable hair. I braid it in similar style from time to time, and have never really given doing so a thought. It looks nice, it keeps everything in place, and when the braids come out, I get awesome puffy curls for a day or two. I've been doing it since I was a little kid. Do I have to stop? How common is this attitude? I don't want to offend anybody, but it seems ridiculous to me.

I've come around to basically understanding the concept of cultural appropriation as it applies to things like native dress, ceremonial jewelry, traditional rituals, and the like. But aren't we broadening the definition a bit too much by including braids? I don't think Africans are the only culture who historically braided their hair. (I haven't looked into the history though - the hairstory?). In any case, I'm not trying to emulate any particular style. I was just doing something I like, something that works for me.

What does everyone here think? (Oh, and can we PLEASE be nice? My question is asked in utterly good faith.)
Are you sure it isn't just simply Kim Kardashian bashing rather than some blanket "whities can't wear cornrows" kind of condemnation?
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Just Google "White people cornrows" if you want an answer to that.
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I'd just like to have hair.
I'm willing to bet that a braided wig is not illegal. Dread wig?
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Originally Posted by isissxn View Post
Well, I agree with you, and consequently have no profile.

My curiosity was regarding spillover - how much of this had made it offline? Would I be running the same risk walking down the street in braids as I would in, say, an ermin-fur stole? (Fur hate is pretty mainstream now, so I used it as an example. I have never worn fur.)

It sounds to me like this is still an issue largely confined to social media drama. It still makes me sad. People can't just post pics of their hair anymore without stirring up a whole ruckus. I'm glad I don't have Facebook or anything. It seems like I'd unknowingly step in it every time I made a post.

If you like the way they look on you then do it. Don't worry about other people's hang-ups. Especially the internet fringe.

But if you find the approbation of social groups useful, this might help ...

https://www.pinterest.com/explore/white-girl-cornrows/

It was listed on Google as "Best Twentyfive+ White Girl Cornrows", and if you're okay on Pinterest then you've got the Mainstream behind you.

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I have awesome hair. On my back. And my shoulders. My eyebrows are becoming a thing of wonder. My head, not so much....
Apparently back hair correlates with a particular Neanderthal gene. My ex-husband looked like a blond fur seal from the neck down by his 20s.
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As Northern European, I must protest THIS cultural appropriation:

https://www.google.com/search?q=blac...w=1024&bih=621
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Yeah, that appears to be what people are claiming (cultural appropriation). I think they are also mad because she put beads on the ends of the braids and referred to the style as "Bo Derick braids" in an Instagram post. I guess I don't really understand why that's offensive either.
...oh. Yeah, given how the space alien family already annoys some people, yes, getting braids and calling them "Bo Derik braids" is going to kick upo a storm.

Take it as generally that - an internet fury over a poorly-phrased instagram post. It's not worth much, and I wouldn't be shocked if she said that knowing it would get her some extra media attention through controversy.

And I'm not even mad about *that*, I'd consider it too if anyone would give half a damn
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.... back hair correlates with a particular Neanderthal gene.
My behavior probably also correlates with a bunch of Neanderthal genes, if my wife is to be believed.
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My eyebrows are becoming a thing of wonder.

Have you tried braiding them? I don't see any photos of that, so I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be appropriation.
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I saw on Yahoo News that a lot of social-mediaites are upset with Kim Kardashian for her new corn-row style braids hairstyle. Is this really verboten now too?
When this sort of thing comes up I wonder, what is "a lot" really?

I'm sure most people don't care, and only a small vocal minority care enough to comment on it.

So I would say no, don't worry about it. Keep on doing your own hairstyle in whatever way you like to do it. If in the unlikely event that someone actually calls you out about it, it sounds like you have a pretty good retort. You've been doing it that way since you are a kid (although even if you just started doing it last week it's still your own business how you style your hair).

Hairstyles cannot be copyrighted, patented or trademarked. Nor are they the exclusive "property" of any particular ethnic group.

It also always seems to be just a one-way street. Anyone can "appropriate" a fashion that started with white people and nobody complains about it. Nor should they, of course.
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She's trolling for attention. Peeps, don't you follow E! and other noteworthy publications? TMZ? Those clickbait sites on the margins of Daily Mail articles? How do you keep up?

She remembers the big fuss Bo Derek made with the hairdo and relates to it. She mistakenly didn't give the African origin and didn't acknowledge it even when criticized, and THIS WAS SEVERAL YEARS AGO.

We've been down this road. I can see Kanye saying "Hey, call it your "Bo Derek" look, again. That was fun!"
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She's trolling for attention. Peeps, don't you follow E! and other noteworthy publications? TMZ? Those clickbait sites on the margins of Daily Mail articles? How do you keep up?

She remembers the big fuss Bo Derek made with the hairdo and relates to it. She mistakenly didn't give the African origin and didn't acknowledge it even when criticized, and THIS WAS SEVERAL YEARS AGO.

We've been down this road. I can see Kanye saying "Hey, call it your "Bo Derek" look, again. That was fun!"
Yeah, I think it was actually one of her sisters who did it last time, but she knew exactly what the reaction would be. When you look at it through the lens that (almost) every single action of hers is calculated to make sure that the celebrity gossip media continues to focus its attention on her, it all makes sense. And that is the proper lens to understand the Kardashian/Jenner family. Doing something that's "controversial" gets more attention than something uncontroversial. Giving your kid a really weird name gets more attention than giving them a normal name. And so on. It explains pretty much every thing they do.
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Yeah, I think it was actually one of her sisters who did it last time, but she knew exactly what the reaction would be. When you look at it through the lens that (almost) every single action of hers is calculated to make sure that the celebrity gossip media continues to focus its attention on her, it all makes sense. And that is the proper lens to understand the Kardashian/Jenner family. Doing something that's "controversial" gets more attention than something uncontroversial. Giving your kid a really weird name gets more attention than giving them a normal name. And so on. It explains pretty much every thing they do.
I can actually see it as a mistake - the first time in the family. Hair is one of those obnoxious issues among black women, for some obvious reasons - and when you combine it with social media, *and* praise for Bo Derek's hair style in "10" which was supposed to be gorgeous (I personally don't think it worked for her, but whatever), you're going to get a hostile reaction, whether deserved or not.
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Are you sure it isn't just simply Kim Kardashian bashing rather than some blanket "whities can't wear cornrows" kind of condemnation?
Those aren't mutually-exclusive. Plus it isn't the first time we see this sort of thing.
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If I wear a farmer's hat and I'm a city boy, is it agricultural appropriation?
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If I wear a farmer's hat and I'm a city boy, is it agricultural appropriation?
Only if you drive your oxen through town at rush hour.
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What, is it cultural appropriation this time?

Ugh. If we applied that principle across the board only white dudes would be allowed to wear polo shirts.
Except that wouldn't count because white dudes don't have a culture to appropriate.

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My curiosity was regarding spillover - how much of this had made it offline? Would I be running the same risk walking down the street in braids as I would in, say, an ermin-fur stole? (Fur hate is pretty mainstream now, so I used it as an example. I have never worn fur.)
Honestly that would probably depend on where you are at the time. Odds are you wouldn't get hassled for your hairstyle in your everyday life unless you happened to cross paths with these people.
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The important thing to remember is that wanting to keep your culture pure and exclusive to your own group is racist, while sharing your culture and adopting things from other cultures is racist.
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It's about time you get the memo, then: everything is offensive. That's how you show everyone how moral and upstanding you are compared to them.
I hate to say it, but you are correct. We are rapidly approaching the point where you can do and say nothing without offending some group.
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