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Old 2nd June 2020, 04:16 PM   #41
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Originally Posted by dann View Post
After years of this, brought to our attention by the unbiased readers of news in this forum:

Journalist attacked by violent mob
It's funny you mention our friend Ngo here, because he HAS made an appearance (as you might have predicted) in this latest to-do. Specifically, I saw a tweet by him which said "Antifa and BLM in Austin attack truck with American flags on it" or something to that effect, with a (short) video clip that appeared to show exactly that, with the crowd pelting the truck with water bottles and street debris. The vehicle in question was actually some kind of armored LARP-tank-thing that belongs to InfoWars (i.e. Alex Jones) and was clearly labeled as such, and had been bullhorning the crowd through its nifty PA system about how they had all been fooled by the media and they should stop protesting and celebrate instead because "America sent a rocket into space today". Andy Ngo of course well knows who InfoWars are and knew it wasn't just some random "truck with American flags on it".
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Old 2nd June 2020, 06:06 PM   #42
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Problem with Antifa is nothng the have done nothing to show be they have the strategic and tactical skills to pull off a sucessful revolution.
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Old 3rd June 2020, 02:27 AM   #44
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
It's funny you mention our friend Ngo here, because he HAS made an appearance (as you might have predicted) in this latest to-do. Specifically, I saw a tweet by him which said "Antifa and BLM in Austin attack truck with American flags on it" or something to that effect, with a (short) video clip that appeared to show exactly that, with the crowd pelting the truck with water bottles and street debris. The vehicle in question was actually some kind of armored LARP-tank-thing that belongs to InfoWars (i.e. Alex Jones) and was clearly labeled as such, and had been bullhorning the crowd through its nifty PA system about how they had all been fooled by the media and they should stop protesting and celebrate instead because "America sent a rocket into space today". Andy Ngo of course well knows who InfoWars are and knew it wasn't just some random "truck with American flags on it".

Did Ngo & Jones have anything to say about Trump's freedom-of-speech violations when he had peaceful protesters removed for his Bible stunt?
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Old 3rd June 2020, 02:30 AM   #45
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Problem with Antifa is nothng the have done nothing to show be they have the strategic and tactical skills to pull off a sucessful revolution.

I bet they can pull of successful sentences. Did they ever even try to pull off a revolution of any kind? If they did, I would like to hear about it.
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Originally Posted by dann View Post
I bet they can pull of successful sentences. Did they ever even try to pull off a revolution of any kind? If they did, I would like to hear about it.
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Old 3rd June 2020, 04:41 AM   #47
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Originally Posted by Lothian View Post
Yes, OK!
I see what you mean, and they were definitely successful, but there's a certain incongruence between your example and The Daily Show's presentation of antifa!
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Old 3rd June 2020, 04:44 AM   #48
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Problem with Antifa is nothng the have done nothing to show be they have the strategic and tactical skills to pull off a sucessful revolution.
Stop sipping right wing propaganda. Antifa isn't a revolutionary paramilitary. They dox nazis on the internet and beat them up when they try to use violence at protests. They aren't coming to seize the means of production.

Antifa has been very successful in their "getting Nazis fired and socially ostracized" campaigns in the last few years.
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Old 3rd June 2020, 06:12 AM   #49
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
Stop sipping right wing propaganda. Antifa isn't a revolutionary paramilitary. They dox nazis on the internet and beat them up when they try to use violence at protests. They aren't coming to seize the means of production.

Antifa has been very successful in their "getting Nazis fired and socially ostracized" campaigns in the last few years.
Could swear that just recently "antifa" from AFA (anti-fascist action) here in Sweden decided to vandalize the home of a center-right politician. Far-left extremists are no better than far-right extremists.
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Old 3rd June 2020, 06:38 AM   #50
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Antifa committing terrorism:

https://twitter.com/AntifaGarfield/s...74663310426112
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Old 3rd June 2020, 07:02 AM   #51
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Looks like his employer already deleted him.
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Originally Posted by dann View Post
Looks like his employer already deleted him.
Now it's just gonna be one guy and a truck. Hope he has a hand-truck.
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Old 3rd June 2020, 07:27 AM   #53
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Originally Posted by Arcade22 View Post
Could swear that just recently "antifa" from AFA (anti-fascist action) here in Sweden decided to vandalize the home of a center-right politician. Far-left extremists are no better than far-right extremists.

I assume that this is what he is talking about:
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I januari 2007 slogs fönsterrutorna sönder hos en Sverigedemokratisk lokalpolitiker i Kalmar. På sin hemsida tog AFA Dackebygd på sig dådet.
Antifascistisk aktion i Sverige (Wikipedia)
"In January 2007, the windows (in the house belonging to) a Sweden Democrats local politician in Kalmar were broken. On its homepage AFA Dackebygd claimed to be responsible."

If my assumption is correct, this is what he calls "center-right":
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The party originally had its roots in Swedish fascism and white nationalism, but began distancing itself from its past during the late 1990s and early 2000s. Under the leadership of Jimmie Akesson the SD underwent a process of reform by expelling hard-line members and drastically moderating its platform. Today, the Sweden Democrats officially reject both fascism and Nazism.
Sweden Democrats (Wikipedia)

In other words, typically alt-right!
I don't think anybody but the Sweden Democrats themselves would refer to Sweden Democrats as "center-right."
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In case anyone missed it in the other thread:

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FBI found "no intelligence indicating Antifa involvement" in May 31 violence, per FBI report leaked
https://www.thenation.com/article/ac...ifa-trump-fbi/

This antifa agitator rhetoric is 100% propaganda from the Trump White House. Don't be a sucker.

From the same leak

Originally Posted by Leaked FBI report
The report did warn that individuals from a far-right social media group had “called for far-right provocateurs to attack federal agents, use automatic weapons against protesters.”
No evidence of antifa involvement, evidence of far right planning to kill cops and demonstrators.
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Old 3rd June 2020, 08:00 AM   #55
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Problem with Antifa is nothng the have done nothing to show be they have the strategic and tactical skills to pull off a sucessful revolution.
Originally Posted by Arcade22 View Post
Far-left extremists are no better than far-right extremists.
Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
This antifa agitator rhetoric is 100% propaganda from the Trump White House. Don't be a sucker.

From the same leak

Originally Posted by Leaked FBI report
The report did warn that individuals from a far-right social media group had “called for far-right provocateurs to attack federal agents, use automatic weapons against protesters.”
No evidence of antifa involvement, evidence of far right planning to kill cops and demonstrators.

Unfortunately, the world if full of suckers more than willing to believe fascist false-flag operations. A lot of them voted for Trump and will do so again.

Do you have a link to the leaked FBI report?
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Unfortunately, the world if full of suckers more than willing to believe fascist false-flag operations. A lot of them voted for Trump and will do so again.

Do you have a link to the leaked FBI report?
Ken Klippenstein is the journalist. He posted a screenshot of the report. The name of the right wing group was redacted to not interfere with any law enforcement action against them.

https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/...64385147977728
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
In case anyone missed it in the other thread:


https://www.thenation.com/article/ac...ifa-trump-fbi/

This antifa agitator rhetoric is 100% propaganda from the Trump White House. Don't be a sucker.

From the same leak



No evidence of antifa involvement, evidence of far right planning to kill cops and demonstrators.
A-friggin-men. Antifa has one objective: show Nazis the door. It is not an organization so much as a shared outlook that sporadically unites under the same banner. No leaders except for coordinators, and no other collective political aims.

Antifa is not the bad guys. Antifa wants the bad guys to go away.
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Antifa is very involved in these protests... doing the exact same things they always do. They are on the lookout for fascists, taking their pictures, and doxxing them so they face consequences for being mask-off fascists or racists.

Meanwhile, Proud Boys are seen in the streets of Portland heavily armed, looking for opportunities to fight and kill peaceful demonstrators. No police response to obviously dangerous right-wing agitators.
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Antifa is not the bad guys. Antifa wants the bad guys to go away.
Even when they have to resort to illegal violence like thugs. How admirable and righteous of them.
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Even mainstream news is reporting on this hoax:

Originally Posted by NBC
Antifa rumors spread on local social media with no evidence
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-ne...dence-n1222486

Gullible morons across the land armed up and were watching for buses of rioters that never appeared.
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Even when they have to resort to illegal violence like thugs. How admirable and righteous of them.
Damned straight. We have the suburban housewives with their tweeting already. We also have other tut-tutting factions operating within genteel standards. Then we have Antifa down in the gutters.

We have been breaking laws here for righteous ends for a long time. European Antifa were breaking them in the 1920s, too. Sometimes it is what works while you wait for the tut-tutters to catch up.
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Far-left extremists are no better than far-right extremists.
Obviously false. There is no Anders Breivik or Charlotsville of the left.
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Did Ngo & Jones have anything to say about Trump's freedom-of-speech violations when he had peaceful protesters removed for his Bible stunt?
I cannot say; I can assure you I don't follow either willingly. I encountered the Ngo tweet quite by accident.

Jones has spent his entire career warning that every president, Democrat or Republican, was days away from ordering martial law to suppress dissenting Americans - except Donald Trump. I predict if he says anything at all, Jones will explain why Trump initiating martial law is just fine.
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Ngo really coming out of this looking like a crybaby. he went around claiming milkshakes were concrete and saying a black eye was a brain bleed and won't stop crying about it. I didn't know you could make a career out of getting punched in the face one time, but Ngo has pioneered the way.

Real journalists are out there getting eyes shot out and coming back the work the next day.
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Obviously false. There is no Anders Breivik or Charlotsville of the left.
Yes, there is. They just get memory holed.
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Yes, there is. They just get memory holed.
Do you have an example? Everyone knows of examples of (attempted) assassinations of State officials by revolutionaries, history is full of them - see for example the assassination of Alexander II. You were however asked for something like Breivik or Charlottesville.
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Obviously false. There is no Anders Breivik or Charlotsville of the left.
There are no left-wing terrorists? Of course they are.
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https://www.britannica.com/topic/Sym...iberation-Army

Even recruited from California prisons back in the day.
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Three men arrested in what FBI says was a conspiracy to spark violence during the protests in Las Vegas

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Federal prosecutors say the three white men with U.S. military experience are accused of conspiring to carry out a plan that began in April in conjunction with protests to reopen businesses closed because of the coronavirus.

More recently, they sought to capitalize on protests over the death of George Floyd, a black man who died in Minneapolis after a white officer pressed his knee into his neck for several minutes even after he stopped moving and pleading for air, prosecutors said.

The three men were arrested Saturday on the way to a protest in downtown Las Vegas after filling gas cans at a parking lot and making Molotov cocktails in glass bottles, according to a copy of the criminal complaint obtained by The Associated Press.

“People have a right to peacefully protest. These men are agitators and instigators. Their point was to hijack the protests into violence,” Nicholas Trutanich, U.S. attorney in Nevada, told AP. He referred to what he called “real and legitimate outrage” over Floyd’s death.

The complaint filed in U.S. District Court in Las Vegas on Wednesday said they self-identified as part of the “boogaloo” movement, which U.S. prosecutors said in the document is “a term used by extremists to signify coming civil war and/or fall of civilization.”
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Obviously false. There is no Anders Breivik or Charlotsville of the left.
There are plenty of far-left crazy extremists:

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The*Lod Airport massacre[1][2]*was a*terrorist attack*that occurred on May 30, 1972, in which three members of the*Japanese Red Army*recruited by the*Palestinian*group called the*Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-External Operations*(PFLP-EO),[2][3]attacked*Lod Airport*(now Ben Gurion International Airport) near*Tel Aviv, killing 26 people and injuring 80 others.[4]*Two of the attackers were killed, while a third,*Kōzō Okamoto, was captured after being wounded.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lod_Airport_massacre

These were "anti-fascists" who were fighting the "fascist" Japanese government yet somehow found themselves gunning down innocent civilians in Israel.
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I...dont get this. Boogs are not Antifa. Not remotely. Kind of like Nazis are not Antifa.
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Originally Posted by Venom View Post
There are no left-wing terrorists? Of course they are.
I never claimed that there are no left-wing terrorists. Read my post more carefully and try again.
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Old 3rd June 2020, 06:25 PM   #74
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I...dont get this. Boogs are not Antifa. Not remotely. Kind of like Nazis are not Antifa.
The thread title is, one might say, "tongue in cheek".
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Old 3rd June 2020, 06:37 PM   #75
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Originally Posted by I Am The Scum View Post
I never claimed that there are no left-wing terrorists. Read my post more carefully and try again.
Just looks like special pleading to me.

But whatever.
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Old 3rd June 2020, 07:41 PM   #76
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
The thread title is, one might say, "tongue in cheek".
Mea culpa. I saw the story links in the OP and didn't click because I remembered them. Should have realized when I saw dann was the thread starter
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Originally Posted by I Am The Scum View Post
I never claimed that there are no left-wing terrorists. Read my post more carefully and try again.
They are again engaged in their false equivalency desperation, as if anyone was not going to notice the difference between a slap in the face and a knife in the kidney. They're both violence after all!

'Black lives matter.' is answered with, 'No, ALL lives matter! All lives are hard!'

'Right wing attacks are doing a lot more damage right now.' is answered with, 'All ideologies have terrorist!'

It's pretty ******* hilarious that they both decided to go back fifty years to find something even close.
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I know its all DUN DUN The Jews Zionists again!
You know the rules.
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Originally Posted by tyr_13 View Post
They are again engaged in their false equivalency desperation, as if anyone was not going to notice the difference between a slap in the face and a knife in the kidney. They're both violence after all!

'Black lives matter.' is answered with, 'No, ALL lives matter! All lives are hard!'

'Right wing attacks are doing a lot more damage right now.' is answered with, 'All ideologies have terrorist!'

It's pretty ******* hilarious that they both decided to go back fifty years to find something even close.
I Am The Scum just made a sloppy argument in that little sidetrack.

That's it.
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Old 4th June 2020, 12:37 AM   #80
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There are no left-wing terrorists? Of course they are.
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There are plenty of far-left crazy extremists:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lod_Airport_massacre

These were "anti-fascists" who were fighting the "fascist" Japanese government yet somehow found themselves gunning down innocent civilians in Israel.

Congratulations! You actually managed to find a 50-year-old example of a so-called far-left massacre! Don't you think that most of those "plenty of far-left crazy extremists" have died since then?

Do you remember the Swedish guy John Ausonius?! And he was nothing compared to guys like Breivik or McVeigh.
I really don't understand why alt-right people always want to play this game of, 'yes, but antifa are bad, too!'
They don't even get close to committing the violence of alt-righters and other racists.
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