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Old 9th June 2020, 06:28 AM   #241
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Originally Posted by eirik View Post
Smashing up windows and stores isn't looting, and yes that was the reference.

Antifa, with it's well documented history of violence and destruction of property, and their specific anti-police politics, have no part in the violence and destruction of property in these riots in which they have had a large presence?

Lol, ok buddy..

As for hard evidence, time will tell, jurys will determine.
Juries will probably be a bit pre-occupied with cases of reactionary right wingers driving cars into crowds of people to be worried about who smashed a plate glass window. Priorities, and all that.

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Old 9th June 2020, 06:36 AM   #242
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Originally Posted by eirik View Post
I think most of us normies agree with you that actual nazis/white supremacists are worse than Antifa, that's not the issue.

What I don't understand is why you would think that's something to be proud of. It's not exactly a high bar. That's like bragging about how you're not a pedo.

Antifa:

"Not quite as bad as actual nazi terrorists."
Here's what you seem to be missing:

"Antifa/BLM is just as bad (or maybe even worse) than the nazis/klan" is a mainstream right-wing talking point. The claim is getting some deserved pushback, and you're complaining about the low bar? Take it up with the people who actually believe that nonsense.
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Old 9th June 2020, 06:37 AM   #243
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You really don't get it, do you? Antifa don't join them, they oppose them. You should try to do that some day instead of dreaming of "consistent rules" to "morally good violence". That is another discussion you should be having with white nationalists and police thugs.
I'm not the one with childish violent fantasies about punching nazis. I see now you're equating Nazis with police officers, so there's that. Interesting times.

But you are right, I don't get LARPing street-wars with even bigger losers than themselves, smashing communities to bits, leaving the locals devastated. It must be a very complex and nuanced matter, much too complex for a simpleton like myself to even grasp the refined symbolism of taking a dump on a police car, or smashing a bikelock on someones head.
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Old 9th June 2020, 06:41 AM   #244
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Originally Posted by eirik View Post
I'm not the one with childish violent fantasies about punching nazis. I see now you're equating Nazis with police officers, so there's that. Interesting times.

But you are right, I don't get LARPing street-wars with even bigger losers than themselves, smashing communities to bits, leaving the locals devastated. It must be a very complex and nuanced matter, much too complex for a simpleton like myself to even grasp the refined symbolism of taking a dump on a police car, or smashing a bikelock on someones head.

https://cdn1.i-scmp.com/sites/defaul...?itok=VRVh0QPH

https://twitter.com/jkass99/status/1269523180646850561

2006 FBI bulletin about white supremacist infiltration of law enforcement. It's a major problem.

http://s3.documentcloud.org/document...filtration.pdf

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/31/...w-enforcement/
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Old 9th June 2020, 06:42 AM   #245
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Originally Posted by eirik View Post
Antifa, with it's well documented history of violence and destruction of property, and their specific anti-police politics, have no part in the violence and destruction of property in these riots in which they have had a large presence?

Since you are so concerned about violence and destruction of property: Do you know who happens to be much, much better at that? (Forbes, Dec. 3, 2020)
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Old 9th June 2020, 06:46 AM   #246
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
Juries will probably be a bit pre-occupied with cases of reactionary right wingers driving cars into crowds of people to be worried about who smashed a plate glass window. Priorities, and all that.
That's a pretty common complaint from criminals, that there is other, much more serious crimes out there.

It is almost always true, and somehow the argument don't convince anyone, and it never did, not even in kindergarten.

- Your Honor, it's true that I smashed these windows and took a dump in the police car. I now have information there was a murder somewhere else in the US. So now my crimes doesn't count, or we're even ... or something?
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Old 9th June 2020, 06:52 AM   #247
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Originally Posted by eirik View Post
That's a pretty common complaint from criminals, that there is other, much more serious crimes out there.

It is almost always true, and somehow the argument don't convince anyone, and it never did, not even in kindergarten.

- Your Honor, it's true that I smashed these windows and took a dump in the police car. I now have information there was a murder somewhere else in the US. So now my crimes doesn't count, or we're even ... or something?
It's a tragedy. It's hard to sleep knowing that evildoers are out there breaking windows and tipping over trash cans without facing justice.

Almost makes me so mad that I wanna drive my truck into a crowd of protesters! ANTEEEEFA!

Or maybe i'll settle down and just menace a few high school kids with a chainsaw while rambling about antifa and spouting racial slurs, a literal example earlier in this thread of a thing that happened.
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Old 9th June 2020, 06:54 AM   #248
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Originally Posted by eirik View Post
I'm not the one with childish violent fantasies about punching nazis. I see now you're equating Nazis with police officers, so there's that. Interesting times.

The childish fantasies about violent antifas and policemen serving the community are all yours.

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But you are right, I don't get LARPing street-wars with even bigger losers than themselves, smashing communities to bits, leaving the locals devastated. It must be a very complex and nuanced matter, much too complex for a simpleton like myself to even grasp the refined symbolism of taking a dump on a police car, or smashing a bikelock on someones head.

You seem to be entirely unaware that the fantasies of antifas in buses coming to smash communities was made up by white supremacists. Go back to the OP and read about it.

I didn't expect you to recognize the quotation. It is much too coarse for a nuanced soul, but you should at least be able to recognize the ethics of the author of your own sig-line.

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Old 9th June 2020, 07:02 AM   #249
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Originally Posted by eirik View Post
That's a pretty common complaint from criminals, that there is other, much more serious crimes out there.

Yes, and it is what you are doing right now, without being a criminal, I assume: All the President’s Crimes
And that doesn't even count the tens of thousands that have been killed by the coronavirus due to his negligence or the protesters who are being beaten by his stormtroopers.

But somebody took a dump on a police car!
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Old 9th June 2020, 07:09 AM   #250
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How did you describe the Swedish pandemic strategy of sacrificing vulnerable senior citizens because it would be better for the economy? (which it probably wasn't)
Down right american? Many mainstream politicians here are proud to sacrifice the elderly so we can have haircuts, like the president.
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Trump now claiming that the 75 year old man who got his skull cracked by Buffalo PD is an antifa agitator. Propaganda aimed at the dumbest of the dumb in his base.



https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...33484528214018

Smearing ordinary Americans rising up against police brutality as antifa super soldiers.
If AntiFa was looking to recruit, Trump couldn't do a better job.
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Three boogaloo boys arrested in Las Vegas by feds planning to incite violence during the protests. All three are former military and had discussed fire bombing a federal building.

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They allegedly spoke of using fireworks and smoke bombs during the protests to create panic and instigate "some type of confrontation between the police and protesters."
Some more antifa right wing outside agitators trying to get people killed.

https://www.ktnv.com/13-investigates...rorism-attempt


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They were arrested May 30 as they prepared to attend a protest of Floyd’s death after filling gas cans at a parking lot and making Molotov cocktails in glass bottles, prosecutors said in charging documents.
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Old 9th June 2020, 09:15 AM   #253
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
Three boogaloo boys arrested in Las Vegas by feds planning to incite violence during the protests. All three are former military and had discussed fire bombing a federal building.

Some more antifa right wing outside agitators trying to get people killed.

https://www.ktnv.com/13-investigates...rorism-attempt

https://news3lv.com/news/local/arres...ns-booby-traps

But antifa break windows and are unethical!

I have never heard the term boogaloo used in that context. I always liked boogaloo:

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Now I won't get my hopes up the next time I see a poster advertising a boogaloo night.
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But antifa break windows and are unethical!

I have never heard the term boogaloo used in that context. I always liked boogaloo:

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Now I won't get my hopes up the next time I see a poster advertising a boogaloo night.
It's a 4chan meme. These people want a second civil war. Using the meme format of "Breakin 2, electric boogaloo" (a movie with a silly name), comes Civil war 2, electric boogaloo. That gets shortened to boogaloo, or big luau (hence the Hawaiian shirts), or big igloo, and other such crap-posting.
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It's a 4chan meme. These people want a second civil war. Using the meme format of "Breakin 2, electric boogaloo" (a movie with a silly name), comes Civil war 2, electric boogaloo.
This time it is just as much about the supremacy of the white race to the black as last time!
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Ohio National Guard Member Sent Home for White Supremacist Views Is Likely a Fascist YouTuber

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“They activated my unit and we’re getting real ammunition to shoot and kill,” he wrote. “Rahowa.”
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Trump now claiming that the 75 year old man who got his skull cracked by Buffalo PD is an antifa agitator. Propaganda aimed at the dumbest of the dumb in his base.
He learned a new word this week so needs to use it
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Ohio National Guard Member Sent Home for White Supremacist Views Is Likely a Fascist YouTuber

https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/...cist-youtuber/

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“Well lads it’s time, you will hear of me either tonight or tomorrow in the news,” a June 2 message on a Telegram channel linked to his YouTube presence stated. He posted an acronym coined by white supremacists for “race and holy war.”

“They activated my unit and we’re getting real ammunition to shoot and kill,” he wrote. “Rahowa.”

He was off by a few days, but apart from that he got it right.
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It's a tragedy. It's hard to sleep knowing that evildoers are out there breaking windows and tipping over trash cans without facing justice.
And slashing car tires! At K-Mart!
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Consequences of the right's antifa hoax:

"Family harassed in Forks after being accused of being members of Antifa"

https://www.peninsuladailynews.com/c...ers-of-antifa/

A multi-racial family on a camping trip was accused of being antifa by local ********. They followed the family to their campsite and felled trees to prevent them from leaving. They could only leave after 4 high school students with chainsaws cleared the way.

Local idiots spotted the family's camper at an outdoors store and assumed they were antifa terrorists. Seven or eight carloads of local morons thought this was true.
Sorry, I'm days behind. This incident was instigated by this idiot, owner of Fred's Guns in Sequim. You can get an idea of his leanings by the two Facebook pages.

Meanwhile, in my wife's birthplace of Snohomish, WA, the police chief fell for a hoax report and invited armed loons into town for, his words, "a festive night of tailgating and celebratory pleasantries." They were drinking in public while carrying guns and intimidating law abiding citizens.
Snohomish is policed by the county under an agreement and this moron has been reassigned but is still a lieutenant in the sheriff's department.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
The only question is: are you a Nazi?
If not, Antifa is not a danger to you.
It's not complicated.
The only question is: are you a criminal?
If not, state surveillance is not a danger to you.
It's not complicated.
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Originally Posted by I Am The Scum View Post
Here's what you seem to be missing:

"Antifa/BLM is just as bad (or maybe even worse) than the nazis/klan" is a mainstream right-wing talking point. The claim is getting some deserved pushback, and you're complaining about the low bar? Take it up with the people who actually believe that nonsense.
Hmm. That might very well be a right-wing talking point.

On the other hand, however, you seem to be conflating that with people who oppose the view of "Antifa/BLM is not as bad as the nazis/klan so whatever violence they do is okay"

Some people, myself included, aren't sanguine about positions that rely on the ends justifying the means.
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Hmm. That might very well be a right-wing talking point.

On the other hand, however, you seem to be conflating that with people who oppose the view of "Antifa/BLM is not as bad as the nazis/klan so whatever violence they do is okay"

Some people, myself included, aren't sanguine about positions that rely on the ends justifying the means.
You should be relieved then, because roving gangs of antifa raiders is a fiction created by the right wing propaganda machine. Nobody is coming to cut your head off for being insufficiently woke
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You should be relieved then, because roving gangs of antifa raiders is a fiction created by the right wing propaganda machine. Nobody is coming to cut your head off for being insufficiently woke
I think perhaps you mistake my point.
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Originally Posted by Emily's Cat View Post
The only question is: are you a criminal?
If not, state surveillance is not a danger to you.
It's not complicated.
Everyone who is even a little bit interesting has been at least a little bit unlawful.
The law would love to set itself up as the entity that gets to punish or forgive all your transgressions, even the every-day ones. It’s the same power-grabbing deal as religions that tell you you need forgiveness for having typical human urges.

So no, I don’t feel antifa is subject to this sort of overreach into everyday life. We don’t find ourselves getting facist because we noticed Annie looks really hot in a short skirt or because we wanted to drive a little faster, like everyone else does.
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The only question is: are you a Nazi?
If not, Antifa is not a danger to you.
It's not complicated.
Guess I don't need to worry about neo-nazis attacking Jews, Black people or antifa either then.
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Guess I don't need to worry about neo-nazis attacking Jews, Black people or antifa either then.
If you can't tell the fundamental difference between getting attacked for choosing to be a Nazi and getting attacked for being born Black or Jewish, I can't help you.

But I'm fine with identifying those who attack Antifa as Nazis.
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Old 9th June 2020, 10:35 PM   #268
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The only question is: are you a criminal?
If not, state surveillance is not a danger to you.
It's not complicated.

It is actually a little more complicated than that. It doesn't help you much that you are not a criminal if the president nevertheless insists that you are a terrorist. When he was asked about Nazis, he was much more eager to see "very good people" or "very fine people."

When I wrote the OP of this thread, we were still at a point in time when white supremacists made up antifa calls for violence. Now we have Bunker Boy making up stories about a 75-year-old victim of police violence.

Those times when "state surveillance is not a danger to you" if only you are not "a criminal" no longer exist - if they ever did.
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Old 10th June 2020, 02:31 AM   #269
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If you can't tell the fundamental difference between getting attacked for choosing to be a Nazi and getting attacked for being born Black or Jewish, I can't help you.
Attacking people for their opinions and thoughts is pretty much on the same level as far as violent extremism is considered. It's not as if two wrongs make a right, or that one kind of violent political extremist thug is any better than another.

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But I'm fine with identifying those who attack Antifa as Nazis.
I'm not sure where that came from but okay whatever you say.
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Old 10th June 2020, 03:19 AM   #270
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Attacking people for their opinions and thoughts is pretty much on the same level as far as violent extremism is considered. It's not as if two wrongs make a right, or that one kind of violent political extremist thug is any better than another.
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No, it's not the same level.
It is hard for me to understand that someone can't see difference.
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Old 10th June 2020, 06:42 AM   #271
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No, it's not the same level.
It is hard for me to understand that someone can't see difference.

The trick is the abstraction: to reduce everything to "opinions and thoughts":
"Attacking people for their opinions and thoughts is pretty much on the same level as far as violent extremism is considered."

You know, 'some people just happen to think and kittens and babies are cute, whereas others lean more towards the idea that all Jews and people of African descent should be exterminated. You can't attack anybody for that, can you? Just because they happen to have an opinion that differs from your own, you intolerant bigot! If you insist on attacking genocidal racists, that just proves how intolerant you are!'

It is not really that Arcade22 is unable to see the difference between different opinions. It's that reducing white supremacism to an opinion is his deliberate technique, his way of turning white supremacists into victims that need his protection against the barbarous anti-fascists. The right-wing snowflake mania.
The same line of thinking would insist that Mein Kampf and The Turner Diaries are just books: 'And you can't have anything about books, can you?! That's fascist!'

It is no coincidence that he can insist that Sweden's national epidemiologist represents scientific objectivity in spite of all sensible epidemiologists in the world contradicting him. It is very consistent with this kind of biased thinking:
The senior citizens in Sweden dying of Covid-19 are not the victims here. On the contrary: Criticizing the poor epidemiologist who is standing up for objective truth by letting the virus have its way with people makes him the real victim. He is the one who is under attack!
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Originally Posted by dann View Post
Those times when "state surveillance is not a danger to you" if only you are not "a criminal" no longer exist - if they ever did.
Kind of my point.
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No, it's not the same level.
It is hard for me to understand that someone can't see difference.
Magnitude is not the same as direction. Sure, -100 has a larger magnitude than -10... but neither of them is positive.
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No, it's not the same level.
It is hard for me to understand that someone can't see difference.
Denying people freedom of opinions and thoughts just because you find theirs objectionable, which is exactly what you do, is certainly just as awful as denying people protection from violence just because of their ancestry.

Why do you hate freedom?
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Originally Posted by arcade22
Attacking people for their opinions and thoughts is pretty much on the same level as far as violent extremism is considered. It's not as if two wrongs make a right, or that one kind of violent political extremist thug is any better than another.
No, it's not the same level.
It is hard for me to understand that someone can't see difference.
This reminds me of a line from the Maltese Falcon where Spade points out that Gutman's threats are no good unless the threat of death is behind them, and he doesn't believe it is.

The only reason people shut up about their opinions is because they are being threatened with harm. The threat only works because the it is believable. The only reason it is believable is because sometimes it is followed through.

I'm not sure that it is a sign of great moral superiority that generally the threat is sufficient that one doesn't have to bother with following through.

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Denying people freedom of opinions and thoughts just because you find theirs objectionable, which is exactly what you do, is certainly just as awful as denying people protection from violence just because of their ancestry.

Why do you hate freedom?
Let's try something milder. Suppose we have two employers, A and B. They make the following statements:

Employer A: "I absolutely will not hire an Asian person."
Employer B: "I absolutely will not hire a racist."

Do you believe that Employer A and Employer B are exhibiting morally equivalent discrimination in their hiring methods?
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Some idiots made the fake flyer below and a couple neighbors fell for it. I get the see something say something. But when I asked the woman who posted it, where did she get it, she snipped: Do your own research.




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Originally Posted by shuttlt View Post
This reminds me of a line from the Maltese Falcon where Spade points out that Gutman's threats are no good unless the threat of death is behind them, and he doesn't believe it is.

The only reason people shut up about their opinions is because they are being threatened with harm. The threat only works because the it is believable. The only reason it is believable is because sometimes it is followed through.

I'm not sure that it is a sign of great moral superiority that generally the threat is sufficient that one doesn't have to bother with following through.

Much like Arcade22, you seem to find it difficult to distinguish between, on the one hand, "opinions and thoughts" and, on the other hand, political objectives. White supremacy is not a whim or a predilection:
'Wouldn't this park be so much prettier without all those black and brown faces? Well, maybe it's just me. I always had these idiosyncratic, capricous aesthetics.'
Or, as Arcade22 would put it: Freedom!
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Denying people freedom of opinions and thoughts just because you find theirs objectionable, which is exactly what you do, is certainly just as awful as denying people protection from violence just because of their ancestry.

Why do you hate freedom?
you are making the standard mistake of thinking that tolerance is a good in itself.
It is not.

Tolerance is a reciprocal pact, and when Nazi's reject tolerance towards certain groups based on factors they have no control over, there is neither reason nor virtue to extend tolerance towards them.
If you tolerate intolerance by some you have already given up on the idea of tolerance.
Groups like AntiFa make it clear to Facist groups that they can't hide behind free speech and appeals to tolerance to undermine free speech and tolerance.
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