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Old 23rd June 2020, 10:09 PM   #41
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Since which player gets the white pieces is randomised, it's the same as doing a coin flip to determine who moves first anyway.

But I think it would be better with purple and green pieces. Purple fights green, green fights purple.
I can do you any combination of pink, purple and yellow. We don't have green though, sadly.

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Old 23rd June 2020, 10:11 PM   #42
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Old 23rd June 2020, 10:14 PM   #43
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Originally Posted by Elagabalus View Post
No it isn't because it's the white piece which always gets to move first. I want the black piece to move first.
Then do it. Unless you're participating in an official organised tournament, there's no reason not to.
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Old 23rd June 2020, 10:18 PM   #44
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Then do it. Unless you're participating in an official organised tournament, there's no reason not to.
Black pieces move first? I think that would upset the space-time continuum and the universe would disappear. Don't risk it.
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Old 23rd June 2020, 10:20 PM   #45
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They could just make all the pieces the same colour.

Together in unity of a great melting pot of humanity!

I mean why oh why to people insist on taking out others anyway?

Re do the layout so all the pieces are sitting in a circle. As if in a symbol of understanding
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Old 23rd June 2020, 10:21 PM   #46
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You could do a Star Trek (TOS-the real Star Trek) themed set where one side has black and white pieces with black on the left, and one side has black and white pieces with black on the right.

The players would resolve who goes first by fighting to the death.

It might make the subsequent game kind of long, though. "HEY! It's your move!"
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Old 23rd June 2020, 10:28 PM   #47
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You could do a Star Trek (TOS-the real Star Trek) themed set where one side has black and white pieces with black on the left, and one side has black and white pieces with black on the right.

The players would resolve who goes first by fighting to the death.

It might make the subsequent game kind of long, though. "HEY! It's your move!"
With the ones in the red shirts at the front.
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Old 23rd June 2020, 10:32 PM   #48
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I remember being 8 years old and seeing an ad for a "Star Trek chess set" in some magazine or other, maybe the TV Guide? One of those luxury whatever sets that are a few hundred dollars and you have to pay in installments. At the time it looked like the coolest damn thing on Earth; but something strange must've happened to me since then, because every "themed" figurine chess set I look at now just looks tacky as all hell.
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
I remember being 8 years old and seeing an ad for a "Star Trek chess set" in some magazine or other, maybe the TV Guide? One of those luxury whatever sets that are a few hundred dollars and you have to pay in installments. At the time it looked like the coolest damn thing on Earth; but something strange must've happened to me since then, because every "themed" figurine chess set I look at now just looks tacky as all hell.
My local game store had a LOTR set in their display case a while back. It looked awesome. Incredibly expensive, though.
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How is the colour of chess pieces a race issue? Some presenters on the ABC apparently think it might be. I find the whole idea ridiculous.

I don’t want to see funding of the ABC reduced at all (Labor also was not a friend of the ABC when in power). I just think that in the climate you describe, they would be better judges about what they cover. And the colour of chess pieces should be on the bottom of their list.
I think we should examine all symbols. Why do some people get outraged at a simple questioning?
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I'm about as woke on this matter as anyone, and even I think there are other things we ought to be thinking about first. If the chess community wants to do something about it, I think that'd be great. But I won't be demanding anything.
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Old 23rd June 2020, 11:12 PM   #52
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Chess is Racist

I think readers are projecting too much into White's motivations. Maybe it is just an unpleasant color, or having a bad day?
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The white Queen is just a Karen.
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Old 23rd June 2020, 11:19 PM   #54
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My local game store had a LOTR set in their display case a while back. It looked awesome. Incredibly expensive, though.
There are also Star Wars Chess sets. Overpriced Gimmick CHess Sets abound.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
There are also Star Wars Chess sets. Overpriced Gimmick CHess Sets abound.
Yeah. If only I had more money than I knew what to do with.
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I think we should examine all symbols. Why do some people get outraged at a simple questioning?
Becuase it's damn annoying amd a waste of time.
You seem to want to overturn everything for the sake of overturning everything.
I note you tried to hijack this thread.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Becuase it's damn annoying amd a waste of time.
You seem to want to overturn everything for the sake of overturning everything.
I note you tried to hijack this thread.
No tears, mate.
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The white Queen is just a Karen.
This is actually funny.
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Yeah. If only I had more money than I knew what to do with.
Don't go there dude.

I have a Westminster, a couple of Stauntons, a Florentine, and a strange ceramic one that someone made in hobby classes.

They're very difficult to display, and the fancier sets are very distracting when you're trying use them for playing chess.

(Did beat a friend once because he kept confusing the King and Queen in one set)

I'm still thinking about getting a full Lewis set (I only have three pieces) and an Alice in Wonderland (many different examples of that one)...

Seriously, stick to beautiful dice... They're much easier to use and display.

* novaphile admires his Dwarven Stones...
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Seriously, stick to beautiful dice... They're much easier to use and display.
I have a modest collection of dice. More than a non-gamer would expect, but nowhere near the size that other people have.
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Originally Posted by novaphile View Post
Don't go there dude.



I have a Westminster, a couple of Stauntons, a Florentine, and a strange ceramic one that someone made in hobby classes.



They're very difficult to display, and the fancier sets are very distracting when you're trying use them for playing chess.



(Did beat a friend once because he kept confusing the King and Queen in one set)



I'm still thinking about getting a full Lewis set (I only have three pieces) and an Alice in Wonderland (many different examples of that one)...



Seriously, stick to beautiful dice... They're much easier to use and display.



* novaphile;13135856 admires his Dwarven Stones...
I have some dice.

They are black with white dots.

I think the number of dots is important when using them.

This may mean I am secretly racist.
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Funnily enough, I bought chess sets to play. Back in the 70s, when I played a lot, there was always a chess board in action in lunch rooms and I often played chess with visitors. Yeah, I know, unbelievable.....

I actually studied the game and many classical openings. As such, I was almost always on top from about 10-20 moves. That's when technique fell away and I was victim to those who had natural chess talent, or at least pattern recognition. I lost more than I won.

But this isn't about chess.
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On my OE I brought a marble board one with brass figures of Greek soldiers in Corfu.

Dragged the thing across the world home and have no where to display it.

Slightly annoying. But it still looks cool when I get it out to play.
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Because white moves first. Seriously.

This is being argued by Australia's national broadcaster, the ABC:

https://www.news.com.au/sport/more-s...60fc5f4d9fff48



It would not surprise me to see that some members of this forum think this is a serious issue worthy of debate. If so, let's hear the reasoning.

The NZ National Soccer Team the All Whites must now be worried (and probably the All Blacks as well), as will all teams where white colours dominate their strip.

I will no doubt be accused of trolling, but the debate about white pieces in chess is happening now. I'm not making this up. In fact before today, I would not have been able to envisage such a debate.
It's also sexist because the king is more important than the queen.
It's also religiously exclusive, because you have bishops but not imams or shamans.
It also promotes animal abuse, beacuse a knight can also be called a horse and it's one of the easiest pieces to sacrifice.
It also strongly promotes sacrificing the lowliest members of society - pawns.

Rooks are fine I guess, at least until we have Architects for Building Rights movement. I figure we're fine until 2030 or so, when feces really do hit the fan.

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Since which player gets the white pieces is randomised, it's the same as doing a coin flip to determine who moves first anyway.

But I think it would be better with purple and green pieces. Purple fights green, green fights purple.
The four player variant has white, black, blue and red.

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And what about black print on white paper or computer screens? The black is clearly the minority color there! Just look at this page!!!!

As for chess, though, I'm totally in favor of Starwarsifying it. They should be darkside pieces and lightside pieces!
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And what about black print on white paper or computer screens? The black is clearly the minority color there! Just look at this page!!!!

They should totally rename Dark Mode as Woke Mode
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And what about black print on white paper or computer screens? The black is clearly the minority color there! Just look at this page!!!!

As for chess, though, I'm totally in favor of Starwarsifying it. They should be darkside pieces and lightside pieces!
obviously the Stormtroopers would be on the White side, of Law&Order.
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Have we looked at the ethnicity of people who play chess at the world championship level? Is there a proper representation of ethnicities as a per capita ratio population wise? Is systemic racism a problem?
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Have we looked at the ethnicity of people who play chess at the world championship level? Is there a proper representation of ethnicities as a per capita ratio population wise? Is systemic racism a problem?
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Because white moves first. Seriously.

This is being argued by Australia's national broadcaster, the ABC:
Is this true, or did you read it on a Newscorp site.

Do you think it might just be possible if this is, as most of James Valentine's stuff is, light-hearted and tongue in cheek?
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Is this true, or did you read it on a Newscorp site.

Do you think it might just be possible if this is, as most of James Valentine's stuff is, light-hearted and tongue in cheek?
Look around. It’s widely reported and the ABC has not issued statements denying the report.

As I said in the OP, I don’t want to believe it.
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How about if white takes a black piece, black gets to set fire to the board?
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Since which player gets the white pieces is randomised, it's the same as doing a coin flip to determine who moves first anyway.

But I think it would be better with purple and green pieces. Purple fights green, green fights purple.
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Look around. It’s widely reported and the ABC has not issued statements denying the report.

As I said in the OP, I don’t want to believe it.
Well why do you just repeat a claim made by Newscorp (a rival media outlet who really, really want the ABC gone)?

I mean even if it was serious, asking the question "is it racist?" does not imply the the ABC have formed a view that it was racist.

It seems fanciful to the extreme that James Valentine would have formed the serious view that this was racist.
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How about if white takes a black piece, black gets to set fire to the board?
That would be a new one.

Currently, when a black piece threatens any White non-pawn, all Black pieces get locked up in the Box.
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That would be a new one.

Currently, when a black piece threatens any White non-pawn, all Black pieces get locked up in the Box.
Maybe if each piece has to stay on it's own color?
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Old 24th June 2020, 02:33 AM   #78
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Well why do you just repeat a claim made by Newscorp (a rival media outlet who really, really want the ABC gone)?

I mean even if it was serious, asking the question "is it racist?" does not imply the the ABC have formed a view that it was racist.

It seems fanciful to the extreme that James Valentine would have formed the serious view that this was racist.
Oh cut it out.

Firstly I know about James Valentine. I tuned in to him when I was often in NSW. He does deal with non-humorous topics all the time.

Secondly I heard about this topic on TV news, googled it and posted the first non-paywalled link. If you think this is some sort of Murdoch stunt, please provide evidence.

Finally, I didn’t say that the ABC has formed a view on the topic. Entertaining the idea to the extent of asking chess experts and scheduling a program about it is ridiculous enough.

And, although I’m not the topic of this thread, I love the ABC, I am rusted on Labor (although Albo is really testing me), marched in many left wing protests starting with the Moratorium (youngest daughter continues the custom) and as far from a tool of Murdoch as you can find.
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Entertaining the idea to the extent of asking chess experts and scheduling a program about it is ridiculous enough.
All you know is what someone on twitter has claimed an ABC producer has asked him and by his reaction this person seems pretty anti-ABC to begin with.

I can't get the Telegraph article as it is behind a paywall, but I can see enough to see that they are also claiming the host slammed Minties for being white.

Now think about this. Don't you think that if James Valentine slams Minties for being white then there is at least the outside possibility that he is joking?
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All you know is what someone on twitter has claimed an ABC producer has asked him and by his reaction this person seems pretty anti-ABC to begin with.

I can't get the Telegraph article as it is behind a paywall, but I can see enough to see that they are also claiming the host slammed Minties for being white.

Now think about this. Don't you think that if James Valentine slams Minties for being white then there is at least the outside possibility that he is joking?
It’s been 24 hours now and this has gone around the world. Where’s the ABC press release denying this?

These’s skepticism and then there’s head in the sand.

As I said, I hope I’m wrong about this bit of ABC stupidity. If you are right, why the delay? In fact if a see something now from the ABC denying this whole thing, I’d bet on damage control, nothing else.
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