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Old 24th June 2020, 11:37 AM   #161
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
They are peasants who have to ransack and loot the enemy's homeland to afford a sex-change.
You don't know that some of them aren't female, you chauvinist.

eta: Maybe they're just upwardly mobile female peasants. It is called promotion, after all.
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Old 24th June 2020, 11:40 AM   #162
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Originally Posted by Chanakya View Post
The one thing chess cannot be accused of being is sexist. True, the game ends when the king is captured, but that only shows that the king is a coveted possession, a trophy for which the battle is being fought, the Helen of Troy of the game. The king, he is a veritable stay-at-home hausfrau that staggers around one step at a time, forever coddled and protected by others; and, what is more, the most powerful of its protectors is the queen, dashing around the board in all magnificence, killing man and beast left and right.
A total and complete misreading of Chess, which is extremely sexist. Perhaps when babies play chess it is something like what you described.

In real chess games, the king sits back and his castle and throws the queen out to be sacrificed, to die, fiddling in useless conflict. The king sits back and watches them die, stumbling all over each other. However, when the end game comes, the king emerges and demonstrates who is the true master. The mighty king shows his complete mastery, and, having proven his worth, hooks up with a new queen.
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Old 24th June 2020, 11:46 AM   #163
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It would not surprise me to see that some members of this forum think this is a serious issue worthy of debate. If so, let's hear the reasoning.
So, I'm not reading 4 pages of a thread because I just can't take the assertion that chess is racist seriously, but...did anyone ever explain the reasoning behind "It would not surprise me to see that some members of this forum think this is a serious issue worthy of debate"?

Or is this just another case of a bunch of people howling and screeching about "Virtue-signalling SJW beta cuck soyboy cancel culture #MuteRKelly wokescold intersectional stack!"

I mean, I'm sure I can find you someone from the Black Hebrew Israelites or some other lunatic group that would actually argue that chess is racist. But I'm not going to bother if it's just the same people that using the same meaningless buzzwords and mangled Black Twitter slang to show that they're the white equivalent of that sort of gibberish.
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Old 24th June 2020, 11:49 AM   #164
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Don't even get me started on Othello; it's obviously intended to symbolize race war/genocide, with the goal being to turn as much of the land area of the board to your color.
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Old 24th June 2020, 12:26 PM   #165
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Saw the Babylon Bee post this on Twitter earlier:

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Old 24th June 2020, 12:40 PM   #166
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Originally Posted by Upchurch View Post
You also have 16 pieces on the board that are on a quest to become explicitly female pieces, although few make it.
I have seen quite a few checkmates where the pawn decides to be a knight rather than a queen, as a knights move is something the queen cannot do.
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Old 24th June 2020, 12:40 PM   #167
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You wonder why I have not quoted angry denials from the ABC that Adams was telling the truth?

Because there aren’t any. Which I find extremely surprising. The ABC is a huge media organisation being criticised in a widespread manner over this. If the criticism is inaccurate, why no comment?
Respectfully, I implore you to reexamine the burden of proof, and how you have misapplied it to this topic.
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Old 24th June 2020, 12:42 PM   #168
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Thanks for making my point that the progressives of today can easily turn everything in an 'enemy of justice'. No thanks I am rather leaning toward the Left. Unlike you I am pricing Reason very highly.
Please quote what the ABC has actually said that you find so bothersome.
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Old 24th June 2020, 12:48 PM   #169
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Originally Posted by Chanakya View Post
The one thing chess cannot be accused of being is sexist. True, the game ends when the king is captured, but that only shows that the king is a coveted possession, a trophy for which the battle is being fought, the Helen of Troy of the game. The king, he is a veritable stay-at-home hausfrau that staggers around one step at a time, forever coddled and protected by others; and, what is more, the most powerful of its protectors is the queen, dashing around the board in all magnificence, killing man and beast left and right.
pedantic nitpic,
generally the game ends when you demonstrate that the king will die be captured on the next move, then everyone accepts that the game has ended. The king isn't actually killed captured and possibly lives on to survive on another chessboard, the lucky lucky bastard.

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Old 24th June 2020, 01:27 PM   #170
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So, I'm not reading 4 pages of a thread because I just can't take the assertion that chess is racist seriously, but...did anyone ever explain the reasoning behind "It would not surprise me to see that some members of this forum think this is a serious issue worthy of debate"?

Or is this just another case of a bunch of people howling and screeching about "Virtue-signalling SJW beta cuck soyboy cancel culture #MuteRKelly wokescold intersectional stack!"

I mean, I'm sure I can find you someone from the Black Hebrew Israelites or some other lunatic group that would actually argue that chess is racist. But I'm not going to bother if it's just the same people that using the same meaningless buzzwords and mangled Black Twitter slang to show that they're the white equivalent of that sort of gibberish.
This thread, like many on this forum, has gotten to this length mainly because it provides members the means to display their wit. YMMV.
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Old 24th June 2020, 01:31 PM   #171
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I would not jump to the conclusion that going first is an advantage or a privilege. Some players prefer black because white goes first. They may have a number of things in mind depending on what white does.
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Old 24th June 2020, 01:35 PM   #172
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Take a game played on this set seriously : https://www.chesshouse.com/collectio...mmer-chess-set

You can't, even if you somehow manage to avoid Fast Times at Ridgemont High or Point Break references.
The queen is a ******* longboarder?! Shouldn't the King be the mellow dope smoking longboarder and the Queen be the big wave Gun?
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Old 24th June 2020, 02:33 PM   #173
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The queen is a ******* longboarder?! Shouldn't the King be the mellow dope smoking longboarder and the Queen be the big wave Gun?
The Longboard Always Rules

Moving bravely on to page 6...
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Old 24th June 2020, 02:46 PM   #174
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
You wonder why I have not quoted angry denials from the ABC that Adams was telling the truth?

Because there aren’t any. Which I find extremely surprising. The ABC is a huge media organisation being criticised in a widespread manner over this. If the criticism is inaccurate, why no comment?
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Well, then, that must mean that ABC has adopted as official policy that chess is racist, and that they were planning to have a Very Important Debate about it. That must be why the journalist who wrote the article didn't report approaching ABC for a comment.

Although, of course, James Valentine has "made it clear approaching Mr Adams was to have a discussion, not brand chess as ‘racist’."

This journalist did approach ABC for a comment and, in doing so, lo and behold they got one! Who'd have thought?



Still, since that's technically accurate (as the statement was issued before the interview) but doesn't tell the whole story (because the interview did happen), perhaps they're lying in order to cover up the horrible truth that ABC has instituted a policy that henceforth chess should be considered racist.
Ah! But the dog didn’t bark angrily! It is very important that massive publicly funded Organizations deny things in an angry way: “tuck off we never called chess racist you pieces of ****!”

If I don’t see that, then I have to take some reactionary attention-seeker at their word and accept that it’s the actual racists who have a point after all!
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I know this is a brief derail, but the Mail had two corkers today. In a review of Michaela Coel's new series the reviewer said that it was great because it made you realise that black people are just like normal people, and Norman Tebbit authored an article in which he described Hitler as left-wing. WRT to the latter, I saw one wag comment that it was brave of him to admit he was further to the right than Hitler was.
Hitler was one of those namby pamby liberals after all!
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I think this thread is going pretty well, don't you?
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I think this thread is going pretty well, don't you?
I think the majority of posters have used reason and evidence to show that the OMG Political Correctness haz gone mad where will it all end???? narrative was overblown and baseless nonsense.

So, yeah, it has gone pretty well.
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I think this thread is going pretty well, don't you?
Ultimately yes and I’m glad the ABC didn’t proceed with a debate, however:

Quote:
Although, of course, James Valentine has "made it clear approaching Mr Adams was to have a discussion, not brand chess as ‘racist’."
Have a discussion about what? Not modern opening strategies or the weather. Maybe, just perhaps, the reaction to the proposal made the ABC come to its senses. Stranger things have happened.
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Old 24th June 2020, 08:33 PM   #179
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I would not jump to the conclusion that going first is an advantage or a privilege. Some players prefer black because white goes first. They may have a number of things in mind depending on what white does.
For me, it also varies with the opponent.

If I am playing a clearly inferior opponent, or someone at about the same level as me, I would prefer white

If I am playing someone who I know is a higher level player than me, I prefer black.
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For me, it also varies with the opponent.

If I am playing a clearly inferior opponent, or someone at about the same level as me, I would prefer white

If I am playing someone who I know is a higher level player than me, I prefer black.
May I ask why?

At my level (pretty low, USCF 900) I kind of like playing black because most people I play against play king's pawn openings, and I can respond with the Caro-Kann, which is the one opening I know fairly well, but which isn't seen as frequently at this level. So, I can sometimes turn that into an opening advantage. Against a superior opponent, I want every little bit of help I can get, so I like white. Not that it matters a lot. As mentioned previously, with low level players, there's not much of a color advantage.

I haven't played an actual tournament in several years, though. I was going to renew my membership and go to one that was going to be held at the end of March. Yeah. That didn't happen.

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Ultimately yes and I’m glad the ABC didn’t proceed with a debate, however:



Have a discussion about what? Not modern opening strategies or the weather. Maybe, just perhaps, the reaction to the proposal made the ABC come to its senses. Stranger things have happened.
I still have to wonder if the whole idea wasn't just trolling. I've heard the "chess is racist" meme before, but only as a joke. A putdown to hypersensitivity. I have a hard time believing anyone, anywhere, took it seriously. The best I can think is that the ABC didn't take it seriously, but thought someone else might, and it would make for entertainment.
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It's interesting that the most powerful piece is the queen and it protects the much weaker king. If it were the other way around perhaps we could have a thread about chess being a tool of the patriarchy.

Anyway it made me curious enough to go look it up and it seems the piece was originally a "vizier", changed its identity to a queen toward the end of the 10th century and various rule changes in the next several hundred years left it the most powerful piece on the board. So there you go. Even threads like this can result in learning something.
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May I ask why?

At my level (pretty low, USCF 900) I kind of like playing black because most people I play against play king's pawn openings, and I can respond with the Caro-Kann, which is the one opening I know fairly well, but which isn't seen as frequently at this level. So, I can sometimes turn that into an opening advantage. Against a superior opponent, I want every little bit of help I can get, so I like white. Not that it matters a lot. As mentioned previously, with low level players, there's not much of a color advantage.

I haven't played an actual tournament in several years, though. I was going to renew my membership and go to one that was going to be held at the end of March. Yeah. That didn't happen.

You may, since I am never likely to pay against you......

The answer is, I don't really have any idea why, I just do. It could be that I prefer to be reactive in cases where I am "outgunned", and proactive against a lesser opponent. It might even be psychological. Its one of those things that has worked well for me - have generally had more success against superior opponents when I have played black.
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For me, it also varies with the opponent.

If I am playing a clearly inferior opponent, or someone at about the same level as me, I would prefer white

If I am playing someone who I know is a higher level player than me, I prefer black.
I understand you may feel more comfortable that way, but the value of white increases with the strength of the players. I always prefer to play black because I figure the handicap will make me better in the long run and I enjoy counter-punching. However, when winning is the top priority, I try to play white for obvious reasons.
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I will kick any/all of you using the Grob.
You might, but I bet I'm ahead at 20 moves.
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Or is this just another case of a bunch of people howling and screeching about "Virtue-signalling SJW beta cuck soyboy cancel culture #MuteRKelly wokescold intersectional stack!"
Got it in one.
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I think this thread is going pretty well, don't you?
I've certainly enjoyed it immensely.
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Sorry, is this a pitch? Or are you speculating?

I'm afraid is the sad truth. Otherwise I am again moved (read tired) by the uncritical revolutionary impetus of some...
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I'm afraid is the sad truth. Otherwise I am again moved (read tired) by the uncritical revolutionary impetus of some...
Did you put the back of your hand to your head at the injustice of it all? That you're so clever and they're all so stupid and, oh, my, what a burden to be the only man that can see in the world of the blind?

That sort of thing?

I bet you did.
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This is so damn stupid . It is the kind of thing that plays inot the hands of the actual racists.

Remove first the logic (at least its excesses) which made this as being more than a joke and I bet we will be safe. Listen to Zizek for example
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Did you put the back of your hand to your head at the injustice of it all? That you're so clever and they're all so stupid and, oh, my, what a burden to be the only man that can see in the world of the blind?

That sort of thing?

I bet you did.

See above, I have no intention to convince Pharisees.
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See above, I have no intention to convince Pharisees.

Oh my.
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Dude is much further down the rabbit hole than I realized.
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Originally Posted by metacristi View Post
See above, I have no intention to convince Pharisees.
Those would be the whited sepulchers?
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Right, confirming the obvious conclusion that an advantage in development is, in fact, an advantage.
Exactly! It's like the dullards who say there is no inherent advantage to being goofy at Pipe! An idea so ludicrous that it makes me laugh out loud! Of course, there's an advantage! Gerry Lopez anyone? I rest my case.
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Exactly! It's like the dullards who say there is no inherent advantage to being goofy at Pipe! An idea so ludicrous that it makes me laugh out loud! Of course, there's an advantage! Gerry Lopez anyone? I rest my case.
Who's goofy? What's Pipe? Who's Gerry Lopez?
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The reason white has a 1% better chance of winning than black is surely because the winner of the previous game goes first and, being the likely better player, therefore ups the probability which is an illusion based on the aforesaid advantage of the winner.

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The reason white has a 1% better chance of winning than black is surely because the winner of the previous game goes first and, being the likely better player, therefore ups the probability which is an illusion based on the aforesaid advantage of the winner.

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Move on back two squares' - Yes, 'Your Move'
No. After the first game, players swap colours. And the winning difference is far more than 1%. 4-5%, with this difference increasing with the skill of the players.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_and_Black_in_chess

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Statistical analysis shows that White scores between 52 and 56 percent at most levels of play, with White's margin increasing as the standard of play improves.
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Who's goofy? What's Pipe? Who's Gerry Lopez?
Bite your tongue, kook.
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