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Old 28th June 2020, 06:33 AM   #1
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Sacha Baron Cohen Punks Right-Wing Group

Apparently Sasha Baron Cohen performed at some right-wing group's protests against safety regulations such as wearing masks or something or other...

He sang a fun and catchy ditty, reminiscent of "Throw the Jew Down The Well", leading the sparse crowd on a rendition of such lyrics as:

"Obama what we gonna do?
Inject him with the Wuhan Flu.

Hillary Clinton what we gonna do?
Lock her up like we used to do.

CNN what we gonna do?
They're controlled by the You Know Whos.

Liberals what we gonna do?
Chop em up like the Saudis do.

Chinese people what we gonna do?
Nuke em up like in World War Two.

Scientists, what we gonna do?
Feed them to the bears like the Chechens do."


etc...

I do sometimes worry that this kind of thing is just a little too close to what his targets are happy to sing along to (otherwise they wouldn't sing along to it), and it could end up being taken unironically by them...

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Old 28th June 2020, 10:05 AM   #2
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Yeah, it’s like the Trey Parker n Matt Stone problem where, in parodying a thing, you make something that can be unironically enjoyed by the people you were trying to criticize, and by unsophisticated consumers (not as an insult but like, literally kids, etc).

I’m glad I wasn’t in grade school when kids were shouting ‘durka durka’ and Cartman lines all over the place.

It reminds me of how they finally realized that in children’s programming, for certain levels of development, showing an example of bad behavior in order to criticize it and show its negative consequences, backfires. The younger kids tend to just see the behavior modeled, full stop, and take that as just another example of how people act; something they can emulate. They aren’t up to holding that thought through to the consequence part and taking it on board that the point was that people are supposed to be discouraged from acting that way.

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Old 28th June 2020, 10:25 AM   #3
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
Apparently Sasha Baron Cohen performed at some right-wing group's protests against safety regulations such as wearing masks or something or other...

He sang a fun and catchy ditty, reminiscent of "Throw the Jew Down The Well", leading the sparse crowd on a rendition of such lyrics as:

"Obama what we gonna do?
Inject him with the Wuhan Flu.

Hillary Clinton what we gonna do?
Lock her up like we used to do.

CNN what we gonna do?
They're controlled by the You Know Whos.

Liberals what we gonna do?
Chop em up like the Saudis do.

Chinese people what we gonna do?
Nuke em up like in World War Two.

Scientists, what we gonna do?
Feed them to the bears like the Chechens do."


etc...

I do sometimes worry that this kind of thing is just a little too close to what his targets are happy to sing along to (otherwise they wouldn't sing along to it), and it could end up being taken unironically by them...
Well there's the thing though. He obviously wants the crowd to take it unironically. They were supposed to "sing along", to show how giddily racist and sexist and nationalistic they are and etc. This then gets captured on video and shown to the world.

The only problem is, is that in this case it didn't turn out that way. The crowd is very obviously not singing along in that video; in fact toward the end they start shouting objections, and according to all reports shortly after this point the private security he'd hired had to physically prevent them from storming the stage and Cohen had to be whisked to a getaway car for his own safety.

The crowd almost comes off as anti-bigotry here - and yeah, we can speculate that the crowd turned on him less because they genuinely ideologically objected to his lyrics and more because they realized what he was actually doing; but either way, it's bizarre that people keep treating this event like a successful prank when the "prank" part of it solidly failed. He attempted to prank a group of supposed bigots by doing something overtly bigoted that they were supposed to like, and instead got run out for it by the supposed bigots. And that's not the first time that's happened to Cohen either.
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Old 28th June 2020, 10:22 PM   #4
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Hasn't Trump or his offspring retweeted it yet?
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Old 28th June 2020, 10:47 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
Well there's the thing though. He obviously wants the crowd to take it unironically. They were supposed to "sing along", to show how giddily racist and sexist and nationalistic they are and etc. This then gets captured on video and shown to the world.

The only problem is, is that in this case it didn't turn out that way. The crowd is very obviously not singing along in that video; in fact toward the end they start shouting objections, and according to all reports shortly after this point the private security he'd hired had to physically prevent them from storming the stage and Cohen had to be whisked to a getaway car for his own safety.

The crowd almost comes off as anti-bigotry here - and yeah, we can speculate that the crowd turned on him less because they genuinely ideologically objected to his lyrics and more because they realized what he was actually doing; but either way, it's bizarre that people keep treating this event like a successful prank when the "prank" part of it solidly failed. He attempted to prank a group of supposed bigots by doing something overtly bigoted that they were supposed to like, and instead got run out for it by the supposed bigots. And that's not the first time that's happened to Cohen either.
This. He came out of it looking like a fool, but some people are pretending that's not the case because they wish the "prank" had turned out the way it was supposed to.
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Old 28th June 2020, 11:42 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
He attempted to prank a group of supposed bigots by doing something overtly bigoted that they were supposed to like, and instead got run out for it by the supposed bigots. And that's not the first time that's happened to Cohen either.

It is hard to tell to what extent his prank actually succeeded when you cannot see his audience. At the beginning of the clip, at least some people in the audience appear to applaud him, but maybe they began to understand what was really going on when he got to the part about the Saudis:

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Cohen was dressed in overalls and a fake beard as he sang about injecting Obama, Fauci, the World Health Organization, CNN and anyone who was wearing a mask with the “Wuhan flu” or alternatively chopping them up “like the Saudis do.”
“After the crowd realized what he was saying, and turned on him, his security then rushed the stage and evacuated them to a waiting private ambulance that was contracted to be their escape transport,” Blair added.
As the video depicts, however, some attendees were clearly more than willing to join him in song for quite a bit of time.
Sacha Baron Cohen Crashes Far-Right Event, Has Crowd Sing Along About Injecting Obama, Fauci With “Wuhan Flu” (Decider, June 28, 2020)

That is what he often does: He starts out saying things that he expects the bigots to agree with, and then it becomes more and more extreme (and sometimes absurd) until somebody realizes what is going on (or nobody does). That may also have been the case here, but .... hard to tell until we see the footage of the participants.

In a way, it's much like the Sokal stunt - except that the Jewish Sasha Baron Cohen is actually there, performing for "a right-wing group of armed insurrectionists and white supremacists."

It's possible that the organizers were on to him, ...
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But as the video shows, some members of the crowd were more than willing to sing along with him for quite some time.
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Old 28th June 2020, 11:55 PM   #7
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This. He came out of it looking like a fool, but some people are pretending that's not the case because they wish the "prank" had turned out the way it was supposed to.

I don't think he came out of it looking like a fool. That's what the bigots usually say.
From what I can see and hear, the prank seems to have turned out exactly the way it was supposed to, but some people are pretending that's not the case because they wish the prank hadn't turned out the way it was supposed to.

But like I said, it remains to be seen how many people in the audience were actually applauding and singing along.
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Old 29th June 2020, 12:20 AM   #8
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I don't think he came out of it looking like a fool. That's what the bigots usually say.
From what I can see and hear, the prank seems to have turned out exactly the way it was supposed to, but some people are pretending that's not the case because they wish the prank hadn't turned out the way it was supposed to.

But like I said, it remains to be seen how many people in the audience were actually applauding and singing along.
Well, I'm not a bigot, but I don't much like him and I was assuming that what previous posters said about the audience not participating was true. If that remains to be seen, so be it.
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Originally Posted by Doghouse Reilly View Post
Well, I'm not a bigot, but I don't much like him and I was assuming that what previous posters said about the audience not participating was true. If that remains to be seen, so be it.
He was also pranking the people who think the "Wuhan flu" is a hoax, and that there is no need to wear masks, and that the scientists and Dr Fauci are lying, etc...

...speaking of which, shouldn't you have changed your avatar by now given that you were one of those people thinking that this was nothing worse than a little flu?
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Yeah, it’s like the Trey Parker n Matt Stone problem where, in parodying a thing, you make something that can be unironically enjoyed by the people you were trying to criticize, and by unsophisticated consumers (not as an insult but like, literally kids, etc).


The problem is, this song just isn't that good. Not that clever, a repetitious rhyming scheme, the same lines seriously over-used, far too much time spent trying to "pump up" the crowd and even decide what to get them to sing. And it's like 9 minutes long.

Even if he wasn't punking them, there's no way someone would be humming this one the next day.
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If the stunt had worked as intended, there would be tons of video of the audience going along.
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If the stunt had worked as intended, there would be tons of video of the audience going along.
Not necessarily. It looked like the footage was taken by a spectator, whereas for Sacha Baron Cohen it may have been part of his next series, so he wouldn't want to release it right now.
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Not necessarily. It looked like the footage was taken by a spectator, whereas for Sacha Baron Cohen it may have been part of his next series, so he wouldn't want to release it right now.
That makes sense, thanks.
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Originally Posted by alfaniner View Post
That makes sense, thanks.
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Is it 2000? Because this would have been so edgy and original in 2000.
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Is it 2000? Because this would have been so edgy and original in 2000.
Agreed. This is pretty boring.

The right is already dropped the pretenses of upholding liberalism. They are mask-off authoritarians now. Exposing them as such through parody is not interesting. Duping a bunch of idiots into singing about killing their political enemies is old hat.
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
Agreed. This is pretty boring.

The right is already dropped the pretenses of upholding liberalism. They are mask-off authoritarians now. Exposing them as such through parody is not interesting. Duping a bunch of idiots into singing about killing their political enemies is old hat.
The thing is there was a time when that kind of thing would have seemed hyperbolic, and therein lies the humour. These days, it doesn't seem hyperbolic enough. It feels more like we should be telling him, "Shhhhhhh! Please DON'T suggest this ******"
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