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3rd July 2017, 08:21 AM | #121 |
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That's true, but in some cases it is merely a subjective assessment against an arbitrary set of criteria, in other cases it may be an objective assessment against a defined set of criteria.
Sometimes Mrs Don says that I'm driving too quickly/slowly - that's a subjective assessment, in some cases made when she hasn't even looked at the speedometer. OTOH if she looks at the speedometer and I'm going faster than 70 mph on the motorway then, regardless of my own personal opinion on the matter, I am driving too quickly. |
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Your statement is still an embrace of objective good. There is a world of difference between there being a good and you have your own interpretation of what it is, and that there is no concept of good outside of what is arrived at in aggregate. Your statements seem clearly with the former.
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I have the luxury of dispassionate observation from half a world away. I have no party affiliation, not american, not a member of either partisan side. Visited several times. Mostly San Fran, Palo Alto, Chicago.
By and large, my experience has been most pleasant. These are all generally good folks. In terms of "happy", they come a close second to the Kiwis. Nevertheless, they voted a man-child into their highest office. A man who cannot help acting on the impulse of the moment. A man who has his finger on the nuclear button. This is disturbing. |
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And then there's those who get their news from Sinclair, courtesy of their local TV station. Last Week Tonight put the spotlight on them last night, and that segment is the free-to-view segment on YouTube this week:
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For those who found that cartoon too complicated, consider going to Teheran:
Iran holds ‘Trumpism’ cartoon contest mocking US president (PHOTOS)
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The trophy, though ... are you sure he is American? Looks a bit Canadian to me! |
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There's a moron loose in the White House who has been degrading the office of the President of the United States and ruining America and refuses to confront Putin's meddling in the 2016 US elections . It is as if Trump is working for the Russians. |
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I've noticed that congress, states, local governments, energy and high tech companies are bypassing an incompetent Trump and taking matters into their own hands and it is about time!!
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That isn't how it works. I don't support him either. I didn't vote for him. But he's the POTUS we got, and I support the system, even if I don't always like the results. He isn't the first one I don't like, and I doubt he'll be the last. But until I support disregarding that system he's still "our" POTUS as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, I'm ashamed of my country for electing him, but it's still my country. |
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If President Trump's popularity is so very low among the GOP that he isn't a certainty for the GOP nomination, then I'd argue that the GOP is more or less bound to lose the Presidential election.
If that's the case, if you're a serious challenger, wouldn't it be better to wait until 2024 instead of running in 2020 and risking having any dirty laundry you may have (even the imaginary kind) aired by Trump - thus killing your Presidential hopes stone dead ? |
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Running for nomination is an occupation for Republicans: it's not about winning, it's about getting free airtime and attracting the notice of Big Donors. Candidates regularly make good money campaigning even if they never get past 1% votes or so.
So there will be plenty of Republicans pretending to clamor for the nomination, even though none will have a chance if Trump is still around by then and decides to run. |
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Trump is many things, but dumb isn't among them. He knows exactly what his supporters care about and how to present it in a way it'll make them adore him even more. The significant danger to his opposition is they'll start to underestimate him because his talking points are to transparently false and they'll think Trump is too dumb to notice.
The thing is, Trump is not too dumb to notice his talking points are ridiculous. He knows they are and he also knows his supporters are too dumb to notice it and he's milking this for all it's worth and then some. It worked well enough thus far. The quote: "If I were to run, I'd run as a Republican. They're the dumbest group of voters in the country. They believe anything on Fox news. I could lie and they'd still eat it up. I bet my numbers would be terrific." is firmly in the "fake but accurate" category. McHrozni |
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Not really. Trump has more people calling for his impeachment than supporting him at the moment. These numbers aren't bound to improve anytime soon.
http://www.newsweek.com/support-dona...-rating-631212 All in all even if Trump does air all sorts of real and fake dirty laundry, you can wear it as a badge of honor and it'll win you more support than it'll cost you. Without major upheavals, Trump will receive 40% of votes and you need to obtain enough of the rest to defeat him. It's not easy or pretty, but it's a better chance than most. A politician has only about 5-6 shots to become a president, I'm sure the Democrat party can produce 1-2 viable candidates per election cycle and not run out of potential presidents. McHrozni |
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I agree with the highlighted. For too long, politicians of every stripe have gone into full meltdown when anything which can be perceived as being negative is brought up. Quite often the denial, cover up and explanation is far more damaging than the original allegation ever was.
- You said this forty years ago when you were in college - No I didn't - Yes you did here's the transcript - Well yes I said it but I didn't mean it then and I don't mean it now (the politician is now a proven liar and flip-flopper) Contrast this with the "owning it" approach - You said this forty years ago when you were in college - Yes, guess I was a bit of an ass in college let me explain how I've changed (the politician looks human) edited to add.... In any case the comment to which you were referring related only to GOP challengers to Trump. |
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Sure, but those are professional candidates, who never expect to win the nomination, much less the Presidency.
Puppycow was asking about "serious challengers" not serial candidates. I think that if you're a GOP member with serious ambition to become President then if Trump is running in 2020 and he still has 80% approval rating among GOP supporters then I don't think someone who has legitimate ambitions to be President should challenge him in the primaries. |
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Yeah. It would be interesting to know why that's the case. I see two main possibilities:
1. Owning it appeals to a smaller segment of population. If a plurality prefers a flip-flopper who claims he was always perfect than a credible politicians who acknowledges his past mistakes and resolves not to repeat them then politicians are herded towards asinine behavior even if it's not natural to them. Those who don't are weeded out by the electorate quickly. 2. Self-selection, people who own and resolve to correct their problems are the kind who don't want to enter politics in the first place. It could be a bit of both. In fact, I'd say it probably is a little of each.
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Even if that doesn't happen and the sane wing and the retards remain allied it still makes sense for at least the older candidates to try to stand up to Trump. If he wins in 2024 it'll be 2032 before a Republican has a shot at winning the election and if he doesn't could still be 2028. McHrozni |
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If these are the only considerations, you'd be right. But these aren't the only considerations, a serious contender could still hope to join him in the cabinet, earning experience for later. Trump airing dirty laundry today won't hurt so much 12 years later. Alternatively if the candidate is old, too old to wait that long, he could still mount a challenge because he has little to lose anyway. These aren't elves we're talking about, the candidates don't have 100 or more election cycles to make their attempt, you can hope for 5-6 attempts at best. If Trump eats one and then another two when GOP has no chance at winning, that's half your life chances worth gone with the wind through no fault but inaction on your part.
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If I were to steelman Trump. I'd say that he's playing pretty much the only cards he's got: showing the GOP that he controls their base and that he therefore has them by the short&curlies. It would be logical for GOP leaders to use Trump's lack of experience and self-control to deflect all criticism to him, but that would be mutually assured destruction.
Of course, Trump can't win the fight against the media: every time he mentions a TV show or host, all his satellites and all media outlets have to report on them, giving them free publicity. All the Talking Heads spared from Trump's wrath so far will double their efforts to draw his ire in the hope of a dis-honorable mention in his Tweets - attempts at intimidation is what they want, not fear from the President. But what else can Trump do? |
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I agree with you but I can't come up with someone who fits the highlight. Warren is out (too old). Ditto Sanders. Who?
If the Dems could find (or get?) a Jon Huntsman, they could run the board. He's not my ideal but he would get nearly all the middle roaders. As I sit here now, it looks to me the Dems have a very weak bench. Having said that, I do recognize that at this time in 2008 I would not have known who Obama was. |
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That's not what will kill him because his support is not about policy. I think only two things have the potential to make GOPers turn on him:
1) a military blunder. Americans killed for no reason. We get dragged back into the Middle East where nobody wants to go. 2) A USA terror attack. And Trump is as effective as you're-doing-a-heckova-job-Brownie was during Katrina. |
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I think that the economy failing will turn everyone against him.
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Those that are for him are getting their information only from sources that laud him. The economy fails, it will be someone else's fault (probably the black fellow that had the office before him). Anyone that still supports him now will be still supporting him while standing the ashes of their home while Trump, with a still hissing flame-thrower, uses his free hand to point leftwards and proclaim 'they made me do it' |
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Utterly disagree, he hasn't a clue, his approach takes no intelligence at all. If you want to see his rank stupidity in action find the clip of when he worked his way up to saying Obama founded ISIS. You will see all he was doing was reacting to the crowd feedback until even his crowd realised he was being stupid. In concluding Trump is intelligent you are really using the Texas sharpshooter fallacy. Yes some of what he throws out sticks with his supporters but many interviews with his supporters show they actually credit him with many things he hasn't said or done. During the election I said he was the Rorschach test candidate, he's now the Rorschach test President people read into his many incoherent sentences what they want.
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I'm not close enough to US politics to know. By the time they appear on the UK media, they've already made it into the mainstream.
I thought Kamala Harris was impressive recently and I realise that her views on abortion, gun control and the death penalty will not endear her to GOP voters but it may get Democratic Party supporters out especially if she embraces being liberal and/or progressive rather than appearing to be embarrassed. |
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