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9th August 2017, 09:44 AM | #401 |
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Thanks Stacy, I stand corrected - Linda Kulman is mentioned - but is once again credited for assisting, not authoring. It lends nothing to Vixen's LIE about Kulman being credited as the author, but maybe Vixen might learn from this how to admit when you have something wrong.
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http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/raffaeles-kitchen-knife/
http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/contam...bwork-coverup/ http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/meredi...ry-corruption/ http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/evidence-destroyed/ http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/blood-...irs-apartment/ https://knoxsollecito.wordpress.com/...ele-sollecito/ As can be seen from the posts above the police/prosecution lied on numerous occasions. They fed false information to the media, lied in court, committed perjury, lied in documentation and worst of all lied to Amanda she had HIV. PGP bang on about Amanda and Raffaele telling umpteen lies whilst slavishly defending corrupt prosecutors who lied on a massive scale. One of numerous instances where PGP have supported liars whilst attacking Amanda and Raffaele for lying. PGP complain about Amanda and Raffaele lying to the police but feel it is perfectly acceptable for the police/prosecution to spread lies about Amanda and Raffaele and use lies against Amanda and Raffaele. PGP complain that Amanda and Raffaele obstructed justice when defending corrupt police/prosecutors who obstructed justice by denying Amanda and Raffaele access to lawyers, not taping the interrogations, not telling them their rights during the interrogations, suppressing evidence, destroying evidence and telling numerous lies. As it was the police who bullied and manipulated Amanda into naming Lumumba, it was the police who obstructed justice. It seems the PGP are deliberately trying to be as vile as possible in their hypocrisy. As my post show below Raffaele did not lie to the police http://www.internationalskeptics.com...1#post11944311 |
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The PGP, in their desire to denigrate Amanda, resort to deliberate ignorance or obfuscation (in some cases, they may be displaying their "actual ignorance").
Amanda acknowledged Linda Kulman's help in writing her book; Kulman was not the author, she was the author's editor. "An author is narrowly defined as the originator of any written work and can thus also be described as a writer (with any distinction primarily being an implication that an is a writer of one or more major works, such as books or plays). More broadly defined, an author is "the person who originated or gave existence to anything" and whose authorship determines responsibility for what was created. The more specific phrase published author refers to an author (especially but not necessarily of books) whose work has been independently accepted for publication by a reputable publisher, versus a self-publishing author or an unpublished one. ...." Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Author |
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Vixen, I'm still waiting for you to provide evidence that calunnia (calumny) is equivalent to obstruction of justice which requires lying under oath. Was Amanda under oath during the interrogation? Or at any time whatsoever? Unless you can provide said evidence, may I suggest you stop repeating that falsehood?
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1. Being scared ****less, being smacked on the head by a policewoman when you don't tell them what they want to hear (a la what they "already knew"), being told there is strong evidence against you including that you were at the scene of the murder when you weren't, being told you just have "amnesia", and being told you met up with your boss so he could rape and kill your roommate would tend to make you ****** scared of him.
2. There is no evidence whatsoever that she was at the cottage at the time of the murder. FACT. Only a judicial fact exists based solely on her recanted memorial. 3. Anything Amanda said that did not include admitting she was at the cottage at the time of the murder, had a meeting set up with Lumumba, and did not have anything to do with the murder was a "lie" according to the police. She did not lie or obstruct justice (nice touch there) when she finally succumbed to the police's and "interpreter's" insistence she had arranged to take Lumumba to the cottage. She finally just gave in to the pressure, exhaustion, and fear. Typical of false confessions as Saul Kassin points out. And nothing she says in that "confession" turned out to be true. Shall I explain why? Because she wasn't there and didn't know the truth...other than what the police were telling her was "the truth". 4. Raff exercised his right not to testify. It is common for even innocent people not to testify. Most defense attorneys do not want to put their clients on the stand because they understand how they can so easily be manipulated by prosecutors. "Have you stopped beating your wife? Yes or no? YES OR NO?" 5. Frivolous behavior in court a la Manson girls? Darn..I must have missed the X carved into her forehead. Since when is wearing a T-shirt that was a gift from family "frivolous"? Oh, wait....do you mean smiling at her family? Now, that's frivolous. 6. Defiance? Such as in daring to maintain your innocence? 7. Touring the country? I think you mean being invited to speak at law universities, legal associations and Innocence Project conferences. I suggest you take up the "exoneration" denial with Italian judges who have also said she was exonerated and with Italian media which also uses that word. Go make your objections with them. 8. Amanda has every right to be paid when she is invited to speak. She had every right to tell her side of the story in her book both morally and legally and to be paid for it. After all, she and her family incurred huge debts defending her against charges for which she was eventually definitively acquitted. No, Marasca writes that IF she had blood on her hand, it had to have gotten there AFTER the murder, not during. You may not be prone to hero-worship or infatuation but you are most certainly prone to a very severe case of confirmation bias. |
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None of this behavior is objectively objectionable in an of itself. It's all dependent on your starting assumption about their guilt (which wasn't even proven in the corrupt Italian courts desperate to prove it, let alone in a first world court, let alone in actual reality).
If we're just going to beg the question for the rest of the thread I might as well just spam "The Italians gave the man who raped Meredith in her own home, and cut her open for her money phones and silence, an easy 10 year sentence and pat on the back on his way out." |
9th August 2017, 02:37 PM | #407 |
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It's not exactly hero-worship but it is becoming obvious that Vixen is among a small a vocal group of Mignini advocates. These are the things Mignini would want to say, when he feels insulted that Cassation put a stop to his predatory prosecution.
Except for his submission with regard to alleging that Maori and Lanagan had defamed him, he's too cowardly to say it for himself. So he relies on surrogates. |
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I have always been puzzled how could the members TJMK have such high regard for an odious scumbag like Mignini. On TJMK they think the sun shines out of Mignini's backside and go to great lengths to defend Mignini regardless of what he does. I wonder if Mignini has a connection with the people behind TJMK and is contact with TJMK members.I find it hard to believe that TJMK would go to such lengths to defend someone like Mignini if they have no connection with him.
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The obvious answer is Mignini is still trying the case that made him a National fool. Desperately trying to save face, he whines to the court that the opposing attorneys that kicked his ass were mean to him. And naturally his pathetic arguments have migrated via Ergon and Machiavelli to the sickos over here who can't let go.
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9th August 2017, 05:07 PM | #411 |
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Welshman and Acbytesla:
This is the only explanation for something you notice if you hang around long enough. Those folk, and particularly TJMK, rarely defend Massei's compatibilities or Nencini's speculations, and never mention the second prosecutor at all - Crini. They defend Mignini, or more precisely Mignini's bizarre theories. Remember that thosr theories are unrecognizable by the time of Nencini's court. No one can ever know, really, if there's some link other than that they parrot his theories. But my word, the submission against Maori and Lagana is a template for what the surrogates repeat ad naseam. |
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9th August 2017, 11:16 PM | #412 |
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Is Knox an author or a writer? Also keep in mind publishing houses also have editors who help put it together, without acknowledgment so it looks like Kulman did help the 'creative writing major' more than let on:
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So whether Kulman 'brings material, research and/or story ideas', or simply writes it, means there is no way Amanda was the author and writer of her own book, if she did not bring any originality to it, except to supply Kulman with answers to her prejudiced (pre-judged) questions. |
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LOL Amazing revinvention of history. Perhaps Amanda and Raff will use this claim in their next whining 'exoneree' speech. Perhaps crime writers can rewrite Ted Bundy: 'Ted Bundy rescued his victims from having to deal any further with the vicissitudes of life. Myra Hindley and Ian Brady brought their victims a strange kind of happiness...death.' When Knox rang Mom, Edda, just before the door was broken down the call went like this: 'Hi Mom, just ringing up to say hello.' 'For **** sake, it's four o'clock in the morning.' 'Sorry Mom. Just wanted to let you know what a fine morning it is here in Perugia.' 'Bye'. |
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Millions of dollars of other people's money. When will the obknoxious Knox pay Patrick his €42K as ordered by the court?
I note she never mentions her conviction and rightful four year's in prison concerning this big gentle Congolese man who was like an uncle to her and never hurt a fly. She only got a column in West Seattle Herald because of the 'novelty value' in having a |
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What's there to laugh at. This is the only case in history where someone's DNA being found in their own sink they were the last person to use was considered incriminating by the prosecution.
1-800 Devry Institute certificate receiver Stefanoni is not pioneering forensic work. I could go to the 9/11 section of this forum and get better arguments from truthers who think the gov blew up a few buildings to destroy a dozen paper documents. |
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The point is, they were not going to. Ask yourself why the Carabinieri were sent out to arrest them. Because Vecchiotti & Conti corruptly produced a DVD which they prepared to help the defence .
Vecchiotti was later convicted of gross negligence in another murder case where she refused to test the DNA of the murderer for 19 years until ordered to. She and Pascali were ordered to pay €150,000 each to the murder victim's husband. This is a woman who abuses her office to help murderers avoid prison. |
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I should point out that Mignini is the attorney prosecutor for the region. It is his job to prepare cases for prosecution. These will be literally thousands per annum. He is highly legally qualified enough to know the criteria for bringing a case to trial, and in any case, he has to get past the preliminary judges first, who always hear both sides of a case.
After Massei, he was no involved in the case at all. Thirdly, the prosecutor doesn't decide the case, the court does, after hearing all of the evidence presented during a fair and balanced trial, which is publicly seen to be so. The ultimate motivations rest with the judges after the verdict, and the prosecutor's case has no higher merit than the defence's. The final point you must understand is that Italy has been riddled with Mafia corruption, which includes intimidating prosecutors and judges (one was kidnapped and murdered) who live in daily fear of Mafia retribution, hence the importance of coming down hard on any whiff of witness intimidation or prosecutor libel and defamation. |
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Adversarial (us) versus inquisitorial (Latin countries and South Africa, strangely) is simply a description of the process.
It is the case in all modern justice systems of either type that Appeals courts, and the Supreme Court, are purely there to oversee that the law has been applied correctly. Fact finding is 100% the remit of the trial court, and in the UK/USA formula a trial verdict by a jury of defendants peers is sacrosanct and cannot be changed except on a specif point of law, which usually has five subcategories. In italy, one of these subcategories and the most common point of appeal, is that of 'internal contradiction' in the MR. UK/USA verdict rarely have written reasons at all and successful applications for an appeal are relatively rare. In Italy every defendant has an automatic two appeals, one of which is the Supreme Court, if they wish. Catch is, the prosecution can also appeal. So, in effect, should an appeal win re 'internal contradiction', all aan appeal/Supreme Court are remitted to do is send it back to a merits court for the facts to be reassessed as prescribed by the Appeal/Supreme Court as per the point of law in (potential) error. Mignini is correct that Marasca erred in this matter. |
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You really don't know the difference between justice as served in a court of law (no, the kids were not prosecuted 'because Mignini didn't like them', as you claim), satire (as in wry social observation, whether it be Trump or Knox), opinion: a comment on national and global news and personal attack (ad hominem based on hatred.
In the world of Stacyhs, any criticism at all of her darlings is 'a personal attack' and this makes her very angry. |
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It is a fact Knox wrote rape/murder fantasies before she even arrived in Italy. It is a common observation that her grammar, syntax and spelling are appalling. You can see an alarming improvement when it is polished up - obviously by an editor when published by a glossy magazine or a proper newspaper, such as LA Times. The stuff about philosophy, political theory and literary references obviously come from Party Rock, largely. As an aside to your usual anti-Christian swipe, homosexuality is not considered a 'sin', it is homosexual sex that is said to be so, according to the scriptures. |
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The Christian belief is that 'wrath belongs to God', so yes, it is not for us to retaliate against terrorists like-for-like, but as an advanced modern secular civilisation we are entitled to protect the community from the violent, the anti-social and the criminal. There has been much debate about prison reform and whether it should be about retribution or rehabilitation. I am of the belief that a fair justice system is important: those guilty should be found guilty and those not, not. Once the fair and correct (as humanly possible) verdict is found, then I believe a judge should show mercy (as it did for Carter) and that the offender should show remorse (in time). If not, we have a corrupt system whereby the guilty are set free because of the 'big money' implications (publishers, media, PR) of upholding their guilt and the truly guilty murderers prancing around the country with glee, lining their pockets with 'innocence projects' speeches with show up fees of US$5,000 (as advertised by the agency)and appropriating the projects from the genuinely wrongfully convicted. |
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Pope Francis, being a South American, himself, was having a dig at Trump and his wall.
Reconciling the Catholic belief in penury and fasting and the size of the Pope's waistline, does rather bring into sharp focus the need for the Reformation and protestantism. No idolatlry, no paying priests for penitance, no fasting, no latin masses, hail marys etc., etc. |
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That you would write this shows your willingness to fabricate. Good for you.
Fact is that RS and AK spent all morning raising the alarm before the postal police arrived. Even when the postals were invited in, by AK, the postals did not suspect a major crime had taken place. Filomena would not have been there if not summoned by Knox. Knox and Sollecito were responsible for the victim being found, otherwise it could have been another 24 or 48 hours. But it's good you demonstrated for all to see your agenda here. |
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I would have thought that what was done to Mez was something deviant, perverted, dirty, etc. You have to admit Knox is not the sharpest knife in the tool box, automatically blaming 'the black man' and claiming amnesia for the night of the murder. How dumb is it to believe the prosecutor fancies you. |
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I've been told but I don't know. That Knox' supporters are largely:
1. a band of white knights who want to rescue the damsel in distress (as per a well-worn Hollywood script, ever since King Kong in 1947) 2. People with a 'claim to fame', such as Stacyhs, with link's to Knox' family, friends or friends of friends. 3. paid shills and PR agents. It is a fact Curt Knox hired PR agency Gogerty-Marriott (now just Marriott) even before he got a defence lawyer. 4. Those 'bleeding hearts' who automatically support the likes of the so-called Lockerbie Bomber, Lundy, Avery, Dassey, Ferguson, Bamber: all these poor people oppressed by a Kafka-esque faceless bureaucracy. I used to be #4 and then after the Kercher case, and the A1 murder case (Hanratty), I got wise to the tactics of the defence lawyers and subtley biased 'documentary' makers who now cynically use the documentary genre to put forward subversive propaganda in the guise of 'miscarriage of justice'. If we have a good justice system, fair, objective and cold, we don't need all this emotional blackmail crap. |
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Here's what likely really happened: CURT KNOX: Hey, I have a great idea for a book and to help my daughter get off her murder rap. HARPER COLLINS: Yeah, wow, there could be millions in it for us! Just imagine, the public will be lapping up all her sordid details. Be sure to include lots of sex because this is what her fanboys will want to buy. CURT: Cool. I'll get Mandy to send through the MS now. Two days later HC: Hello? Mr Knox? Harper Collins here. Is that all there is? just a hundred pages of unpunctuated scribble-er, ahem, I mean inner thoughts? CURT: Well what did you expect? HC: Can I be tactful? How about we provide a professional writer to help Amanda knock this drivel, um, I mean, amazing insights, into an acceptable conventional shape? CURT: OK, but make it quick. We are almost bankrupt. <brrrr> |
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Good news, Knox's acquittal had nothing to do with her defense lawyers. She was acquitted because the court appointed two professors to look over the forensic work, and they concluded it was irreparably flawed.
Your belief is those professors were lying frauds in on a conspiracy, backed up by no evidence but your desire for it to be true, which sounds precisely like the same desperate kind of argument we would expect from a sleazy defense lawyer. You have nothing to offer this case. There will be no epiphanies, no revelations, no disclosures or discoveries. You are simply wrong, now and forever. The only future development with this case will be the ECHR giving their take on the interrogation and you subsequently extending the conspiracy net to Strasbourg. |
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As it is an established fact (so sue me!) that Knox was present during the murder at the scene of the crime (Marasca, Florence) then she could have rung the emergency services or banged on the door of a neighbour, immediately. A good 12-15 hours earlier, when the time of death could be established exactly and the crime scene sealed off and rendered untampered with by persons galloping around the scene, as they did. |
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Repeating this canard does not make it true. One again the following is what Marasca-Bruno wrote:
No one disputes that Knox was there alone after the crime. What she did following that was raise the alarm by informing Raffaele, then in turn calling Filomena, Raffalele called his Carabinieri sister... etc. |
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I don't know about "the" editor" but she clearly was an editor:
" I wouldn't have been able to write this memoir without Linda Kulman. Somehow, with her Post-it Notes and questions, with her generosity, dedication ,and empathy, she turned my ramblings into writing, and taught me so much in the meantime." Rather a nice dedication, i think. |
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This bizarre "controversy" - staged by the PGP - of whether Knox was really the author of her own memoir, or was Kulman, acknowledged by Knox in the book for her assistance, reminds me of the "controversy" - staged by the PGP - of whether Knox had really submitted an application to the ECHR as she had written in her blog.
The PGP has as its basic assumption and method - which it cannot alter - that everything about Knox or every claim by her must be denigrated or denied. Just as Knox's application to ECHR was real, on time, and on 29 April 2016, communicated to Italy*, contrary to the misstatements of the PGP, Knox was the author of her memoir. Kulman, as stated by Knox, helped her organize the writing, and is thus an editor. Indeed, Kulman herself, on her website, claims to be a collaborator on Knox's book and on others. There apparently is no way that the PGP can admit, based upon known facts or evidence, that Knox's statements (excepting those obtained under coercive interrogation) are credible. *KNOX c. ITALIE 76577/13 Communicated Case 29/04/2016 Source: http://hudoc.echr.coe.int/eng#{%22docname%22:[%22\%22KNOX%20c.%20ITALIE\%22%22],%22documentcollectionid2%22:[%22GRANDCHAMBER%22,%22CHAMBER%22,%22DECISIONS%22,% 22COMMUNICATEDCASES%22],%22itemid%22:[%22001-163098%22]} |
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After all these years of "analysing" this case, you're STILL unaware of the fact that since the mid-1990s Italy has used the adversarial system of criminal justice (though some reactionary types such as Mignini and many judges still seem to wish it was the inquisitorial system, and appear to act as such)? Oh dear. |
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