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2nd June 2019, 05:24 PM | #1 |
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“President Obama, It was you.” A 33-point essay asserting Pres. Obama is a Muslim
I have been asked to rebut this nonsense reposted by radio personality Mike Gallagher.
https://www.truthorfiction.com/mike-...was-you-essay/ I cannot find a single source that addresses this list. My Google-fu is not strong. Is there a site that addresses these claims such as Obama “mocked the Bible and Jesus Christ’s Sermon On The Mount while repeatedly referring to the ‘HOLY’ Quran.” |
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2nd June 2019, 06:39 PM | #2 |
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You'll probably find most of them on Snopes. A better question is why are you asking about this now when a traitor is president of the USA?
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2nd June 2019, 06:49 PM | #3 |
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You have been asked.... by whom? Will they negotiate? Say, number them 1 through 33 and let the person demanding that you debunk the list pick any three items. They're all probably as easily disproved as the four or five I picked, but there's no one source. Idiots have been sending this list, with revisions, for years.
It's a combination of misheard or out-of-context items (check out "My Muslim Faith"), outright lies (No Jewelry on Ramadan) and the usual idiots repeating crap from a satirical site and embellishing it (Obama launched program of mandatory teaching of the Koran). |
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2nd June 2019, 06:53 PM | #4 |
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Several of these require proving a negative. You should point out that there's no evidence, if appropriate.
A couple off the top of my head: If he bowed to the Saudi King, Obama also bowed to Queen Elizabeth, so I guess he was showing subservience to our reptilian overlords as well. Assuming the money to rebuild destroyed mosques is at least partly true, that could be for mosques collaterally damaged by American forces. |
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2nd June 2019, 07:13 PM | #5 |
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Actually it's much less directly related to the US. It was a program to contribute restoration funds to churches, temples, mosques... of all faiths. The crazies at the American Family Whatchamacallit, cherry picked that "some of mah Merkin Money is going to rebuild mosques!!!!". It's taken legs and is still cited today but the figure is from ten to twenty times higher than the original OMG, "nearly a million".
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2nd June 2019, 07:23 PM | #6 |
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https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ob...-palestinians/ Fact: Under Obama, the United States killed more Islamic terrorists than the past five Presidents combined. This includes the execution of bin Laden, and our ongoing drone-strikes in Syria, Yemen, and Afghanistan's border regions. |
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2nd June 2019, 07:50 PM | #7 |
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Yes. I should have been more specific. A close friend stumbled across this crap on someone else’s Facebook feed. She wants to rebut each point to show how wrong this other person is. I speculated that actual evidence might not be well-received by someone who reposts unsupported BS such as this stuff, but my friend is adamant that this bigotry not go unchallenged.
I think I can find most of these items in many of the familiar places. I was just hoping to save a lot of internet legwork by doing some one-stop-shopping as it were. Also, at this point, I kind of want to do it just so that this thread can be a single location for rebutting these particular claims. I occasionally see this board as more than just a place to just bloviate, opine, pontificate, and otherwise shoot the ****. |
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2nd June 2019, 08:43 PM | #8 |
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Honestly, though. This is nothing more than a Gish Gallop of (mostly) BS claims. That which is claimed without evidence may be dismissed without evidence. FWIW, I found this from FactCheck.org, which debunks many of the claims on that list: https://www.factcheck.org/2017/01/ei...rolling-obama/ |
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4th June 2019, 05:37 AM | #11 |
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Other note: Muslim men are not to wear gold which I presume his wedding ring is made of.
https://archive.islamonline.net/?p=1289 That would mean he was a rather bad fake Muslim too.
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7th June 2019, 06:45 AM | #19 |
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I vaguely remember Mike Gallagher as a substitute DJ for ... Rush Limbaugh? Or maybe Michael Medved. I didn't realize that he had gone off the deep end.
I once met a clever scammer on the side of the road, playing rich Saudi with gold rings on. He offered me some of his expensive rings if I could give him $100 to fix his car. He even greeted me in arabic "Salaam Alekum," and was shocked when I replied "wa alekum a salaam." I should have told him that he wasn't a true muslim with the rings. |
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I’m just going to number the points.
1 It was you who on ABC News referenced – “My Muslim faith.” 2 It was you who gave $100 million in U.S. taxpayer funds to re-build foreign mosques . 3 It was you who wrote that in the event of a conflict – “I will stand with the Muslims.” 4 It was you who assured the Egyptian Foreign Minister that – “I am a Muslim.” 5 It was you who bowed in submission before the Saudi King. 6 It was you who sat for 20 years in a Liberation Theology Church condemning Christianity and professing Marxism . 7 It was you who exempted Muslims from penalties under ObamaCare that the rest of us have to pay. 8 It was you who purposefully omitted – “endowed by our Creator” – from your recitation of The Declaration Of Independence. 9 It was you who mocked the Bible and Jesus Christ’s Sermon On The Mount while repeatedly referring to the ‘HOLY’ Quran . 10 It was you who traveled the Islamic world denigrating the United States Of America. 11 It was you who instantly threw the support of your administration behind the building of the Ground Zero Victory mosque overlooking the hallowed crater of the World Trade Center . 12 It was you who refused to attend the National Prayer Breakfast, but hastened to host an Islamic prayer breakfast at the WH. 13 It was you who ordered both Georgetown Univ . and Notre Dame to shroud all vestiges of Jesus Christ BEFORE you would agree to go there to speak, but in contrast, you have NEVER requested that the mosques you have visited adjust their decor . 14 It was you who appointed anti-Christian fanatics to your Czar Corps. 15 It was you who appointed rabid Islamists to Homeland Security. 16 It was you who said that NASA’ s “foremost mission” was an outreach to Muslim communities. 17 It was you who as an Illinois Senator were the ONLY individual who would speak in favor of infanticide . 18 It was you who were the first President not to give a Christmas Greeting from the WH, and went so far as to hang photos of Chairman Mao on the WH tree. 19 It was you who curtailed the military tribunals of all Islamic terrorists. 20 IIt was you who refused to condemn the Ft . Hood killer as an Islamic terrorist. 21 It is you who has refused to speak-out concerning the horrific executions of women throughout the Muslim culture, but yet, have submitted Arizona to the UN for investigation of hypothetical human-rights abuses. 22 It was you who when queried in India refused to acknowledge the true extent of radical global Jihadists , and instead profusely praised Islam in a country that is 82% Hindu and the victim of numerous Islamic terrorists assaults. 23 IIt was you who funneled $900 Million in U.S. taxpayer dollars to Hamas . 24 It was you who ordered the USPS to honor the MUSLIM holiday with a new commemorative stamp. 25 It was you who directed our UK Embassy to conduct outreach to help “empower” the British Muslim community. 26 It was you who embraced the fanatical Muslim Brotherhood in your quest to overthrow the Egyptian President, Hosni Mubarak . 27 It was you who funded mandatory Arabic language and culture studies in Grammar schools across our country. 28 It is you who follows the Muslim custom of not wearing any form of jewelry during Ramadan . 29 It is you who departs for Hawaii over the Christmas season so as to avoid past criticism for NOT participating in seasonal WH religious events—while keeping all those who have to travel and protect you from spending the season with their families. 30 IIt was you who was un -characteristically quick to join the chorus of the Muslim Brotherhood to depose Egypt’ s Hosni Mubarak , formerly America’ s strongest ally in North Africa; but, remain muted in your non-response to the Brotherhood led slaughter of Egyptian Christians. 31 It was you who appointed as your chief adviser, Valerie Jarrett , who is a member of the Muslim Sisterhood , an off-shoot of the Muslim Brotherhood Remember, Distribute far and wide. |
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That's not an essay. That's a list of horse.
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I had some fun researching this one. I found lots of info on message boards although I am having a hard time finding reliable Independent confirmation of these specific claims.
27 It was you who funded mandatory Arabic language and culture studies in Grammar schools across our country. The grant money came from the Department of Education. As part of the No Child Left Behind Act of 2001, the Foreign Language Assistance Program (FLAP) was created to help primary and secondary schools teach foreign languages. Funding stopped in 2011. Arabic was identified as a critical language by the Department or Education. (I think the military is still paying bonuses for Arabic translators). A five-year $1.3 million grant was awarded to a school district in Arlington, Texas. The school requested the grant . President Obama did not personally authorize the funding.The program was never implemented. The program was not, as initially reported, required. As other folks on the internet have pointed out -Arabic is not a religion. -If you think Islam is the enemy, then having American students learn Arabic is a good thing (imagine the advantages the US would have had if federal money had been available in the 1930s to teach German and Japanese to high school students) -If you don’t think Islam is the enemy, then having American students learn Arabic is a good thing because international trade over the next 12 years will certainly require Arabic-speaking businesspeople, engineers, designers, etc. |
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#26 and #30 are the same thing, and seem to be under the delusion that it was only the Muslim Brotherhood that wanted him out. The author neatly glosses over Mubarak’s massive corruption to gush over him being a ‘strong ally’. Pay no mind to those massive protests against corruption, folks.
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Don't try to rebut each point. Just point out that the whole thing is a textbook Gish Gallop and that since no evidence is given for any of the individual points, they may all be dismissed without evidence (Hitchen's Razor).
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10th June 2019, 06:01 AM | #27 |
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About 90% of these can be answered with a simple CITATION NEEDED, the rest are gross distortions of reality depending on the pig-ignorance of his bigoted audience.
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Since I had some time today I did a quick look at a couple of these that were easy to search:
#8 Obama was not the only President to omit 'the creator' from the line of the DOC. Even Reagan did it: https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...t-declaration/ #11 The 'Ground Zero mosque' was nothing of the sort since it was not a mosque (but had a prayer center) and was well away from Ground Zero. This was just hand-wringing by bigots. Obama stood against Teabgger bigots. Go figure: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Park51 #24 Stamp exists. Obama had nothing to do with it. No surprise any clownshoe who buys this crap wouldn't check Snopes: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/stamping-grounds-2/ |
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Like most readers, I'm sure, I glanced at a couple at the top and a couple at the bottom.
And when I hit #29, I quit. He is a muslim because....he goes on vacation in his home state at Christmas? |
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I don't think if it so much as a fact-free world, but a post-fact world. Facts are still there, just harder to find. I compare it a lot to the entropy problem, Just like disorder is more likely than order, falsehood is more likely than truth. In both cases it's generally the same mechanism: There's only one (or a limited number) of combinations/answers that are orderly/true, and a much higher number that are not. Getting them truthful/orderly takes work. Call it Hellbound's Three Laws of Deceit: 1. Falsehood can be created and destroyed 1. The falsehood of any un-isolated information system always increases 2. The falsehood of any system approaches infinity as the number of unrestricted contributors increases |
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Uh, no. He's not a Muslim.
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I was NOT a Barack Obama fan, but these are ridiculous.
6 It was you who sat for 20 years in a Liberation Theology Church condemning Christianity and professing Marxism .That would be the Trinity United Church of Christ "condemning Christianity."
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The list also cited his attendance of a "liberation theology" Christian church (I think they're talking about the church where Jeremiah Wright preached.) as evidence that he is a Muslim.
Wright did seem to be a bit of a nut, but he was no Muslim. The damn list is pretty much self-refuting. |
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As far as I can see, Ladewig is Just Asking Questions in order to promote this crappe. No effort to refute it on his part is apparent.
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I’ll admit I am dragging my feet.
But given that during my 18 years here I have NEVER once promoted this kind of ******** and have always condemned this crap, I’m going to say **** off. There is absolutely no evidence that President Obama is a Muslim. People who believe he was a Muslim during his administration are closed-minded bigots who can’t be bothered to look at any evidence. |
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So look for, and post, some evidence already.
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In post #8 I linked to a good place to start.
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I've run into almost all of these at one point or another on right wing boards or social media groups. They do all have refutations but it is a bit of a bother. Might be a good idea for us to create a master sheet of sorts like how we did back when 9/11 conspiracism was so rampant.
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