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Brexit: Now What? (You 8 what?)
Yes a sovereign entity that has a higher level of laws over it and does not control foreign policy. That is what a US state is. |
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So what happens when this next deadline passes and there's still no deal?
What's the "end state" for all this? |
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“If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?” Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago |
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1st August 2019, 06:22 AM | #3971 |
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As do almost all UK/Other country agreements because at the moment they are EU/Other country agreements. A small number of countries have agreed to grant the UK the same deal as the EU (which makes a mockery of the notion of getting better deals) but the vast majority seem to be waiting in the expectation that they will be able to negotiate a far more favourable (to them) deal than the one they currently have with the EU.
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You can't define country. There's no possible single definition of country that would include Vatican City (the least like country that is still a country) but exclude Hong Kong (the most country like country that isn't a country.)
What defines a country is whether or not other countries consider you a country. |
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As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves. |
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As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves. |
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Scotland isn't independent and hasn't declared independence for anyone else to recognise.
However the government of the UK recognises Scotland is a country. https://webarchive.nationalarchives....-uk/index.html Does the USA recognise Texas as a country? Does Australia recognise New South Wales as a country? |
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But I am not the UK so why should I call it a country when it clearly isn't? I get it instead of states, provinces, prefectures and so on you like calling your second largest political units countries but that doesn't make them as if they are really countries as in the synonym of nations.
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You are free to call bananas oranges if you wish. You would be wrong and people would be confused why you insist on being wrong about something that you have been corrected on.
You are of course free to continue to do so if wish to appear to be either stupid or ignorant or deliberately acting the ****. |
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It has the Scotland National Football Team, which competes in the FIFA World Cup tournament, among others, representing Scotland, and not the UK. So there's at least the FIFA recognizing Scotland as a country, like it does Wales and Northern Ireland. I admit, it's not earthshattering, but there you go.
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What exactly does that mean though?
Why is being a 'country' a significant or relevant thing? That is, what's the legal, international definiton of a country and, according to that law, what can a country (Scotland) do that a notcountry (i.e. Texas, NSW) can't? |
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Technically "country" is a geographic designation.
"Nation" refers to a cultural-linguistic grouping of peoples. Then we have "government" for the political entity. The term for a sovereign power acknowledged by other sovereign powers is "state." This last one gets confusing (as seen in this very discussion) because federal systems often refer to their constituent parts as states. |
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If there was any doubt that the UK will be anything other than a low-tax, low wage, low benefit country attempting to compete with the developing world on price rather than the developed world on quality and innovation, this latest announcement of 10 free ports is a clear indication.
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2nd August 2019, 01:25 AM | #3992 |
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Yes. What makes Scotland a nation is that for centuries it was an independent country that in 1707 joined with other nations to form a new larger nation.
A better comparison would be all the independent nations such as Prussia and Bavaria that unified in 1871 to make up Germany. In 1945 Germany then split into two nations, which then reunified in 1990. |
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Doubtless this will be dismissed by Brexiteers as Project Fear
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I think Texas is closer to Scotland's historic status, because at one time Texas was an independent nation.
Otherwise, the various states in the USA, Canada and Australia were more like regional administrative areas within an existing nation. AFAIK, none were independent and recognised as independent nations. |
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Oh, but we weren't supposed to believe any of that. After all, the referendum simply said Leave or Remain...and since it never specified what Leave meant then the voters should have realised that it could mean anything, no matter what the pro-Leave campaigns said.
I mean, we all knew they were liars and charlatans so what could we expect? |
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As a pointed out upthread, apparently Dominic Raab made it abundantly clear that a no deal was a distinct possibility during the referendum campaign.
Project Fear must have hacked all social media and edited all his recorded interviews because there is no evidence of this whatsoever. It beggars belief that we're sailing blithely towards the "doomsday" scenario. I'd really like to know whether the government really believes that everything will be fine or whether they're just saying it to preserve their jobs and/or enhance their fortunes. |
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Leaked Whitehall slide on first month of No Deal Brexit :
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/sta...89930477953025
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Well, yes...Raab is one of the aforementioned liars and charlatans.
And, no. They don't believe it's all going to be fine for the country as a whole. They just think they'll be fine, which is all that matters to them. And if lots of useful idiots fall by the wayside? Who gives a toss. Of course, having said that, part of them being "fine" includes Johnson remaining PM, and that won't happen is we crash out at the end of October. So he's going to have to do a rather spectacular volte face assuming parliament doesn't force his hand before then. |
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Yes, yes, yes but look at all the benefits. We have already signed fantastic* trade deals with the Faroe Islands and 11 other areas.
*No. Obviously these deals are not better than the ones we currently have. Do you know how long trade deals take to agree? Jesus!! They are the same terms as the EU agreed, rolled over. |
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It's not like a US state, and the UK is not in any sense a federal union. That is the main constitutional problem with the UK. The power of parliament to make whatever decision it likes at whatever time it likes can not be constrained by any written constitution. Here is what the relevant authority says about the situation.
"That Parliaments have more than once intended and endeavoured to pass Acts which should tie the hands of their successors is certain, but the endeavour has always ended in failure,” he wrote (Law of the Constitution, p.65). Dismissing what may have been thought of as one contender for higher status with a degree of mockery, he argued that “neither the Act of Union with Scotland nor the Dentists Act 1878 has more claim than the other to be considered a supreme law”. So it's not like a state. It's like a joke. |
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