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12th June 2019, 08:28 AM | #2641 |
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12th June 2019, 08:32 AM | #2642 |
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Boris Johnson has said he is "not aiming for a no-deal outcome" for Brexit at the launch of his campaign for the Tory leadership.
But he said leaving no deal on the table was a "vital tool of negotiation" and the UK "must do better than the current withdrawal agreement". "Delay means defeat, delay means Corbyn," he said, saying the UK must leave the EU on 31 October. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48602988 |
12th June 2019, 08:33 AM | #2643 |
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Lucky sod.
The only pheasants I see are roadkill. And the only bunny I've seeen by the house was a young one presented to us by the cat. Don't think that would have fed many mouths. We do get the odd deer crossing the roads nearby, but I'm not sure my Up! would survive a collision with one. |
12th June 2019, 08:37 AM | #2644 |
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Labour motion fails:
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12th June 2019, 09:14 AM | #2646 |
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My quoted passage says something quite different, to wit:
the administration was subsumed into the Castilian administration, the lands of the Crown were united formally with those of Castile to legally form a single state, the kingdom of Spainso the Nueva Planta laws are what made a single state, not the previous fact of the Crowns of Castile and Aragon having the same monarch. Great Britain and Hanover had the same monarch from 1714 to 1837, but were never politically united. Monarchs reigning in more than one state is a common phenomenon, well known to Scots and English people alike, as it happened here too in the period 1603 to 1707. |
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12th June 2019, 11:47 AM | #2651 |
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Boris says "I took this city through riots"
He was on holiday in Canada and refused to come back and was heckled and booed bin Clapham when he finally turned up days later. |
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12th June 2019, 01:31 PM | #2654 |
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The silliness - which is deadly serious - continues. Rory Stewart said he was going to support it originally, but then backpedalled. They were all under the whip. Only lost by about eleven (?) votes. Corbyn hopping with fury shouting, 'You won't be cheering in September', at the baying Tory benches.
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12th June 2019, 01:38 PM | #2656 |
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Full of bluster as per usual.
The thing about Boris is, he has populist appeal, and that is also the where he is a double-edged sword. His buffoonery and faux bonhommie hides a really nasty character who really believes himself and his chums from the Bullingdon Club to be superior to the hoi-polloi and entitled to have generous tax breaks and to **** on the lower classes and 'immigrants' from a great height. To achieve this he has to get the popular vote as he can't come out doing a goosestep and Roman salutes, although he's got the 'bark' of a dictator just right. |
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12th June 2019, 02:59 PM | #2659 |
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I expect it would need to be qualified by the words, 'there can be no 'no-deal' Brexit without first putting it to the people of the UK as a referendum question: namely, 'Do you accept a no-deal'? Yes/No. If no, then Article 50 will be revoked until such time a deal can be negotiated.'
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12th June 2019, 03:07 PM | #2660 |
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Gee, now where have I heard something like this?
Apparently Boris also tells people what they want to hear then contradicts that with the next group that want to hear something else. And refusing to answer the media about that when questioned. (Per France 24 news) I wonder if Trump is envious of Boris' hair. |
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12th June 2019, 10:13 PM | #2662 |
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12th June 2019, 10:20 PM | #2664 |
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Paradoxically, no. Food shortages will reduce food variety first and foremost, greatly increasing the consumption of starchy foods with high GI and decrease the uptake in fiber. This is more likely to increase the incidence of type-2 diabetes.
It's what happened in Venezuela.
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12th June 2019, 11:27 PM | #2665 |
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The dissenters were:
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12th June 2019, 11:33 PM | #2666 |
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Depends how it's done I guess. During WWII when the UK had rationing in place the overall population health improved - I'm not sure if Type 2 diabetes was specifically being monitored.
Also, as I hope the sarcastic smiley showed, I wasn't being serious. Anyone (or indeed any business) which doesn't survive the great Brexit adventure is clearly unpatriotic and will be airbrushed out of existence. |
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"The European Court of Justice (ECJ) ruling last year confirmed that the UK could revoke Article 50 itself, without having to ask the other 27 EU countries for permission.
This could be done by writing a letter to the European Council, made up of EU heads of state. The ECJ said the UK would then remain a member of the EU on the same terms - as it has now - including keeping its budget rebate. But it did set some conditions. The ruling said revocation should be "unequivocal and unconditional", suggesting that the UK could not simply revoke Article 50 in order to buy more time and then resubmit it at a later date." Which says to me that revoking A50 is tantamount to choosing to remain. |
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13th June 2019, 12:32 AM | #2671 |
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Indeed it is. Parliament would have to legislate that if the options boil to no-deal Brexit and Bremain they chose Bremain and instruct PM to act accordingly. It would be up to PM to obtain alternative solutions which would be acceptable to Parliament and EU. If he/she/it can't, there is no Brexit.
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13th June 2019, 01:02 AM | #2673 |
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No, think it just means that if we revoke we need to start the article 50 process again from scratch. We can't revoke then start again with a 'where did we get to' . In practice however we should do what 'vote leave' promised in their manifesto which was not to trigger Article 50 until we has agreed the future deal, which they said would include retention of free trade with the EU.
It is May that cocked up by triggering Article 50 before realising that 2 years might not be long enough to negotiate a deal so she instead decided to negotiate a temporary deal to take us from brexit to Dec 2020 with no real changes to allow time for a fully negotiated deal to take effect after that. Unfortunately she couldn't manage that after realising that 2020 might be too soon and a backstop would be required. It went downhill from there. All we need to do to leave and make everyone happy is revoke article 50. Put the country's best talent, Johnstone, Leadsom, Gove, Farage, Rees-Mogg, Corbin on the case. When they have negotiated the deal promised Free trade with the EU, No movement of Labour, full control over our borders, £350bn a week saving, No border checks, and no extension of the ECJ's jurisdiction to the UK, protection of workers rights. Better trade deals with the rest of the world. A seat for the UK on all the big tables. We can trigger Article 50 and leave. |
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.....then they wouldn't be the Labour Party. I was a party member for nearly 25 years and I got the clear impression that there is a proportion of members and MPs who are contrary just for the sake of it.
I know that the majority of MPs claim that they are not in favour of a no-deal Brexit but the fact that they're not willing to actually do anything to prevent it leads me to believe that the vast majority of Conservative MPs, and a significant minority of Labour MPs actively want it to happen. |
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It's actually a somewhat rational position for Labour MPs to hold. Brexit is a Tory project, organized as a Tory way to resolve internal party conflict. The referendum was proposed and legislated for by a Tory governing majority, article 50 was invoked by a Tory PM and if there is a no deal Brexit it will be a Tory government overseeing the disaster.
Much like Trump, the no deal Brexit has the potential to soil the Tory brand for time immemorial, relegating them to a minor local party and banishing them from national politics forever. The new opposition from the right will come from a group splintering off the useless, corrupt remainder of what was once "the natural party of government". If you accept the potential the potential to rule the country as the undisputed ruling party for a generation as large enough to be worth whatever damage the no deal Brexit crisis will bring then sabotaging any resolution to the issue is a rational position. Yes, it is corruption that is worth a firing squad or worse (HD'n'Q?), yes, it is horrible, but the position itself may well be rational. Until you vote against your party whip anyway. Tory MPs? Beats me. Maybe they just really, really, really want to change careers but don't want to quit or something. McHrozni |
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13th June 2019, 01:58 AM | #2678 |
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That's a logical way of looking at it, unfortunately that's not the way the British psyche and electorate seem to work
The worse the impact of Brexit and the more dire the outcome, the more likely it is that the "Blitz Spirit" will cut in and rather than losing support, the government will likely gain support and the British people, rather than rejecting a no-deal Brexit will embrace it. |
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My analysis is simple
A no deal Brexit is dead in the water due to numbers in parliament.. Brussels will not renegotiate the Theresa May deal Brexit. That deal will never get the votes. Therefore Brexit is in a state of permanent hiatus while business as usual. This looks like modal logic 101 to me. ETA: This looks like a huge victory for the EU federation, Britain shoots both feet, no further wagging of the finger needed to other dissident states. |
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