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20th June 2019, 07:03 AM | #2801 |
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20th June 2019, 07:04 AM | #2802 |
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Boris waljed back on his new agreement and out by October position.
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20th June 2019, 07:36 AM | #2803 |
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20th June 2019, 08:00 AM | #2804 |
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Sounds like some tories are concerned about a potential Johnson v Gove matchup, owing to the bad blood between them and how it would reflect on the party in the forthcoming leadership contest. Good riddance, I say.
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20th June 2019, 09:58 AM | #2805 |
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So Hunt and Johnson are the final two.
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20th June 2019, 10:00 AM | #2806 |
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20th June 2019, 10:32 AM | #2807 |
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20th June 2019, 10:35 AM | #2808 |
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Now its Johnson or Hunt, a choice on a par with asking would you rather be shot or hung?
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20th June 2019, 10:40 AM | #2809 |
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Looks like Johnston had arranged tactical voting on behalf of his supporters to oust Gove.
Javid had 34 votes. 3 of his supporters came out publicly supporting Johnston meaning none of the other 31 or the one of the two spoiled papers who managed to tick a box voted for Johnston. That seems unlikely. Therefore some of Johnston's previous supporters switched. Probably for Hunt. |
20th June 2019, 01:28 PM | #2810 |
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20th June 2019, 01:30 PM | #2811 |
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20th June 2019, 10:15 PM | #2812 |
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BBC is reporting 160 thousand Tory party members. From links provided by The Don earlier in the thread we can summarize they had no more 125 thousand members a few months ago, I think that info may be faulty. Given the information we have I think their numbers started to rise after the Brexit referendum in 2016, they mostly gobbled up former UKIP members.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48711077 If true this fully explains their idiotic enthusiasm for a no deal Brexit and creates a significant question mark about how accurate is the gauge of party members for their electoral support. It is at least partially true, such large shifts in membership is by definition self-selective. McHrozni |
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20th June 2019, 10:37 PM | #2813 |
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Apparently 5 MPs, Chris Philp, Chris Skidmore, Mims Davies, Kevin Foster and Mike Wood, said they would vote for Johnston when Javid went out. That means at least 2 of Johnston's supporters switched. Hunt beat Gove by 2..... Interesting to see if Gove becomes a Hunt attack dog.
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20th June 2019, 11:06 PM | #2814 |
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I'd be interested to know where the BBC got its "up to 160,000" figure from as the latest semi-authoritative figure is 124,000 from April 2018.
Ah, it seems that it came from the Conservatives themselves who have claimed this figure. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...ry-membership/ |
20th June 2019, 11:33 PM | #2815 |
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21st June 2019, 12:18 AM | #2816 |
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Then again, many or most of them will have joined the Brexit Party, though whether there's anything to stop someone joining more than one party is a good question.
IMO looks like you have a hammer and you're on a nail hunt. There has been a strong Eurosceptic wing of the Conservative Party for decades and the membership being predominantly old, white and male are right in the sweet spot for no-deal Brexit support. Conservative supporters broke 60/40 for Leave and IMO it's reasonable to expect that members, who are more Conservative (and conservative) than just supporters will have been even more enthusiastic about Brexit. I don't think that there has to be any extraordinary explanation for the current opinions of the Conservative Party members involving large numbers joining from UKIP whilst large numbers of "moderate" Conservatives are leaving. Instead IMO it just represents a distillation of the views of the party membership at the time of the referendum. |
21st June 2019, 01:52 AM | #2817 |
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As I said before, over that poll of what tory members would be willing to sacrifice for a No Deal. It's a surprise that as many as 30% would balk at sacrificing everything.
That the party consists of nutters is no great surprise. These are the people that thought IDS would make a good leader. |
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21st June 2019, 01:57 AM | #2819 |
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21st June 2019, 02:03 AM | #2820 |
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There was a two-year gap between UKIP becoming irrelevant and Brexit party being formed.
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They could be screws of course, but they're covered and we can't tell with a sufficient degree of certainty.
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If one or both of those numbers are inaccorate and no significant shifts of membership happened, then the shift was mostly or overwhelmingly the distillation you mention and your hypothesis is the main factor. New members joining and old ones leaving had a minor effect in this case. Both happened to some extent though, it's just a question of scale. McHrozni |
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21st June 2019, 02:04 AM | #2821 |
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21st June 2019, 02:19 AM | #2822 |
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Its worse than that:
"3. After Churchill and Thatcher, the post-war party leaders most respected by the membership are Hague and Duncan Smith" https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics...ve-member-surv Tory members actually respect IDS more than almost any Tory leader since the war! https://www.theguardian.com/politics...lems_as_leader |
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21st June 2019, 02:22 AM | #2823 |
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21st June 2019, 02:22 AM | #2824 |
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True, but you're not obliged to be a member of a political party.
I'd be shocked if there wasn't a significant overlap between UKIP members in 2016 and Brexit Party members in 2019. In-between they could have joined a different party or simply not bothered to join any party. |
21st June 2019, 11:49 PM | #2825 |
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Bit of a meaningless distinction, it was a political "grouping" that for all extent and purposes acted like a political party. Most people would say "I'm a member of Militant" at the time. I should know being back in the 80s in one of these other "parties" that got you kicked out of the Labour party!
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22nd June 2019, 02:16 AM | #2826 |
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Jeremy Hunt has said plans for a televised Conservative leadership debate three days after voting begins is making a "mockery" of the contest.
Mr Hunt said Boris Johnson had challenged him to a debate on ITV, scheduled to take place on 9 July. He accepted, but then "realised" it would take place the day after party members received their postal ballots. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48728265 |
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22nd June 2019, 03:09 AM | #2828 |
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Johnson showing his tougher side last night, sure it will go down well with his party.
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22nd June 2019, 03:46 AM | #2829 |
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Various Boris supporters are calling for the neighbours that called the police to be 'named and shamed' as it is all obviously a plan to foil his leadership bid and not concern for his girlfriends safety. They seem to be the same people who justified Field's manhandling of a woman because she could have posed a threat to his safety.
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22nd June 2019, 06:14 AM | #2830 |
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22nd June 2019, 09:11 AM | #2831 |
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Hearing thuds and the woman screaming 'Get off me!' and 'Get out of my flat!' (several times), together with the sound of smashing crockery and an almighty building-shaking crash after he shouted, 'Get off my ******* laptop!) followed by silence could indeed cause a passerby/neighbour to feel alarmed. I don't know anyone who smashes plates or causes crashing vibrations.
OK so it was likely a late-night drunken row caused by a build up of stress from the balloting, the intense media focus on BoJo's split with his wife, etc., but fair enough, some people would have been sufficiently and genuinely alarmed enough to fetch the police. Recording a potential crime scene is almost de rigeur these days. Calling the GRAUNIAD was rather lefty, though, given its readership is a fraction of the more obvious tabloids. |
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22nd June 2019, 11:00 AM | #2833 |
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Allison Person of the Daily telegraph says
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22nd June 2019, 12:09 PM | #2834 |
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Well, at least he wasn't caught wearing a Chelsea football shirt.
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22nd June 2019, 01:18 PM | #2838 |
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"Consider as well this small vignette: Johnson’s Toyota Previa people carrier had been parked outside Symonds’s flat overnight but was reportedly driven away Friday afternoon. It had three parking tickets and a mocking flyer on the windscreen that had also been posted on a fence nearby reading : “We’d rather endure him as a neighbour than our prime minister.” Another neighbour was reported as saying: “It’s got loads of parking tickets on it. He just leaves it here. He doesn’t care.” That’s the attitude: parking tickets are for little people. That cavalier posh-boy spoiled behaviour should truly upset law abiding Tory party members."
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22nd June 2019, 01:31 PM | #2839 |
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That should have been Pearson, not Person of course.
She has written a number of 'glowing' columns about Boris over the years. I think she has the hots for him. |
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The neighbour didn't just 'hear' the row. (s)he held a microphone against the wall and taped the conversation before calling the anti-tory Grauniad. We don't know yet how much the neighbour was paid by the Guardian for the recordings.
Also wasted police time by calling them out - although to be charitable, we didn't know that their time had been wasted until after they'd attended and said that there was no need for them to have been there. Would you want a neighbour that taped your conversations and passed them on to a national newspaper whenever you're having a domestic row? I wouldn't. |
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