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Old 22nd April 2018, 09:10 AM   #2081
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Originally Posted by Bjarne View Post
So you know that this aspect of science belong to a madhouse, right?
"Our" knowledge (rather belief) in the cause of gravity is seriously schizophrenic.
On the one hand, Newton's laws, which are mathematically based on FORCE, are still use.
However on the other hand, the cause of gravity is also due to the so-called curvature of space.

And worse , even after the theory of relativity have fall completely apart, - I'm still sure that the monstrosity schizophrenic damage this theory have caused will require major psychiatry resources in the future, - because although the relativity of theory will fall, the schizophrenics damage will continue to live immensely long long time in many minds anyway.

Nope, the schizophrenia is simply yours and an evident result of your asserted prejudice.

In general relativity the Newtonian force of gravity is an inertial or fictitious force.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fictitious_force

Your prejudice not only precedes you but evidently also precludes you form examining information you have already been given multiple times.
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Old 22nd April 2018, 02:15 PM   #2082
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Thumbs down Argument by insulting Einstein as if that supports his elastic space fantasies

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Einstein, failed completely to understand the nature of space, ...
23 April 2018 Bjarne: Argument by insulting Einstein as if that supports his elastic space fantasies.

20 April 2018 Bjarne: The insanity that Hans Christian Andersen could have written Einstein's 1905 paper [or insulting Einstein as a fairy story writer]

Einstein and many other experts have ignored any concept of "elastic space" as a source of gravity.

There are reasons that everyone ignores his "elastic space" for almost 9 years now . Is Bended Space = Contracted Space ? 13th October 2009) and the answer is no.

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Thumbs down Repeats his lie about the history of relativity

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As mentioned many times, the math and time dilation was welll known before the theory of relativity., ...
23 April 2018 Bjarne: Repeats his lie about the history of relativity.

19 April 2018 Bjarne: Einstein's 26 September 1905 paper did not try to explain math that did not exist until after it was published !
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Lorentz and Poincaré had partially (to first order in v/c) derived what we call the Lorentz transformation before 1905. Einstein's 26 September 1905 paper gave a simple derivation of the full Lorentz transformation. Poincare's paper giving a different derivation of the full Lorentz transformation and naming the Lorentz transformation was published a few months later. Poincar´e, H. (1906). Sur la dynamique de l’electron. Rendiconti del Circolo matematico di Palermo, vol 21, p. 129-175.
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Old 22nd April 2018, 02:25 PM   #2084
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The mathematical truth was here on the planet BEFORE the theory of relativity.
Still wrong:
19 April 2018 Bjarne: Einstein's 26 September 1905 paper did not try to explain math that did not exist until after it was published !
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Lorentz and Poincaré had partially (to first order in v/c) derived what we call the Lorentz transformation before 1905. Einstein's 26 September 1905 paper gave a simple derivation of the full Lorentz transformation. Poincare's paper giving a different derivation of the full Lorentz transformation and naming the Lorentz transformation was published a few months later. Poincar´e, H. (1906). Sur la dynamique de l’electron. Rendiconti del Circolo matematico di Palermo, vol 21, p. 129-175.
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Old 22nd April 2018, 02:44 PM   #2085
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Thumbs down A "prejudice" lie followed by the usual ignorance and fantasies

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It is impossible to discuss with people who have prejudices....
23 April 2018 Bjarne: A "prejudice" lie followed by the usual ignorance and fantasies.

The other people in this thread know about SR and GR. We know about the over 100 years of study of SR and GR that gives them a solid basis in theory. We know about the massive amount of experimental confirmation of SR and GR.

We read your posts in this thread and see only ignorant fantasies with a few equation pulled out of thin air that depend on a result from SR (the Lorentz transformation) that you say is wrong ! This is easy to understand. If SR is wrong then everything derived from it is wrong which includes the Lorentz transformation.

On the other hand we have 20 March 2018: At least 8 lies of his theory having predictions.

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However he never manage to continue, - to how that property possible could be connected to matter.
23 April 2018 Bjarne: A lie that curvature of spacetime is not connected to matter.
Anyone who can read knows that matter and energy cause curvature of spacetime in an explicitly defined manner - Einstein field equations.

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Old 23rd April 2018, 02:09 AM   #2086
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Ah, so now you assert "It is impossible to discuss" this with you due to your prejudice. Thanks you for that admission, though I expect most here have surmised that already.
Carefully amigo, time will judge the dummy one.

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Nope, both that late 1800 math and special relativity tried to enplane something evident since 1632. That the laws of motion and physics are evidently the same in all inertial reference frames. Both were the result of extending such Galilean invariance to electromagnetism.
The MTR theory have no problem with that

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Excellent, then you should be able to derive those "Lorentz Transformation mathematics.." from your "elastic space" notions. Do please let us know when you have done that. Can't do it? Then you have no basis to claim that your "elastic space" notions can even result "in the Lorentz Transformation mathematics.." or any "Transformation mathematics.." whatsoever. "Very short" "elastic space" remains 'not even wrong'.
Sir Isac Newtons law of gravity is still valid, no reason to change anything or to add anything else as that; - the ruler is a variant. - Gravity is a force, caused bu the elastic property of space. Newton was right, Einstein wrong.


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That would be your "abstract understanding of the nature of space" where you said curvature was not needed because your space was stretched, only to find such stretching requires some curvature?
No the property of space is not stretching or contracting in a traditional way, but rather within it self, - like a thin or thick soup.
Matter = absorbed space + energy, - nothing else. - That energy (matter) can increases,- decrease or be completely released, - >> to space, - and therefore like the bolly in the soup , the absolute energy is the cause of change of mass/ gravity / background gravity / time / rulers / distances .
This explains everything. So the so-called curvature of space is no longer necessary.


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Not to mention absolutely no evident understanding "of the nature of space, and how that nature can connect with matter" without just contradicting itself.
There are already well supported theories suggesting that nuclear spins, works like small tornadoes, - now just add to that thesis ; - "and therefore twisting / absorbing elastic "space-density".
So easy, here is the cause of gravity, and even the cause of so-called dark energy
Abstract? - Yes, - and so is the curvature of space concept as well.

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Self consistency (and general consistency) is far more important than you pretense at understanding "the nature of space, and how that nature can connect with matter". Again, do please let us know when you can at least agree with just yourself.
There are no contradiction anywhere in that theory

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Nope, again as already explained to you before that connection "to matter" (and energy) is the stress energy tensor.
I have no problems to use the same expression, and even add, to that, that this mean a Newtonian force as the cause of gravity, and not the schizophrenic curvature of space concept..


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You simply not agreeing with your notions and the requirements of some of your notions not agreeing with other parts of your notion isn't just an "achilles tendon". It means your notions actively refute themselves.
There are no contradiction, but you problems are rather as you said, you have not read the theory, - and therefore off course you have not understood it either.

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Old 23rd April 2018, 02:22 AM   #2087
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Nope, the schizophrenia is simply yours and an evident result of your asserted prejudice.

In general relativity the Newtonian force of gravity is an inertial or fictitious force.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fictitious_force

Your prejudice not only precedes you but evidently also precludes you form examining information you have already been given multiple times.
Its simple, within 1 year +/- holidays and bla bla bla, - you will see the theory of relativity fall. - The Newtonian gravity will survive and this is all what is left,
Especially young unspoiled scientist will begin to understand that time has come to hunt the schizophrenia monster to hell.
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Old 23rd April 2018, 02:32 AM   #2088
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You would be better off studying General Relativity. Lorentz transformations can be very confusing, because they are ONLY to be used to translate coordinates from one inertial frame to another inertial frame.
They do not explain "why".
An understand of why it is the way it is, comes from understanding GR. SR just tells you how to do math to get the right answer.
It doesn't offer any explanation.


https://www.researchgate.net/post/Ei...the_derivation

Soon the will learn the new theory of relativity as well. They will be the first to understand it

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Old 23rd April 2018, 04:15 AM   #2089
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Originally Posted by Bjarne View Post
Abstract? - Yes, - and so is the curvature of space concept as well.
The curvature of spacetime in general relativity is no more abstract than the curvature of the earth's surface.

For hundreds of years, navigators have been taking the curvature of the earth's surface into account. For two decades, the Global Positioning System has been taking the curvature of spacetime into account.

Those of us who understand curvature also understand why navigators who refuse to take curvature into account will fall off course.

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There are no contradiction, but you problems are rather as you said, you have not read the theory, - and therefore off course you have not understood it either.
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Old 23rd April 2018, 05:15 AM   #2090
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Originally Posted by Bjarne View Post
rubbish
If you really think that Newtonian physics is still valid, please explain how Newtonian physics describe the orbit of Mercury.

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But I have the knowledge how to do it
You can talk the talk, now try to walk the walk!

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Nobody ever claimed such misunderstood miss mass
You have claimed that the time dilation that is necessary to make GPS work, is only an illusion. That is obvious rubbish, that I doubt you will stand by. But you have also claimed that orbits will be influenced by the direction of the dark flow. GPS satellites have orbit that go all over the place, sometimes with the dark flow and sometimes against it. They would not work if your claim was true. How do you explain that? You have been asked these questions many times but you have always chosen to ignore them or dismiss them without consideration.

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You only make vague hand-waves designed to claim that any deviation from general relativity is supporting your position, which it is not.
lie
Then show your detailed predictions for how relativity will fail "soon"!
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Old 23rd April 2018, 06:12 AM   #2091
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Originally Posted by Bjarne View Post
Carefully amigo, time will judge the dummy one.
I am neither your "amigo" nor subject to your projected fears.

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The MTR theory have no problem with that
No one claimed your problem with, and misrepresentation of, the history of physics was a problem with "The MTR theory".


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Sir Isac Newtons law of gravity is still valid, no reason to change anything or to add anything else as that; - the ruler is a variant. - Gravity is a force, caused bu the elastic property of space. Newton was right, Einstein wrong.
Wait so there is "no reason to change anything or to add anything else..." yet you need to add "the ruler is a variant." and "the elastic property of space"? Can't you even just agree with yourself on one simple assertion?


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No the property of space is not stretching or contracting in a traditional way, but rather within it self,
Ah, so there would be no "stretching or contracting" external to space. Well since no one is talking about "stretching or contracting" external to space your "within it self" assertion is moot.


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- like a thin or thick soup.
Such changes would be evident outside the soup.

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Matter = absorbed space + energy, - nothing else. -
Again the units don't work, so the asserted relation is not valid just on a simple dimensional analysis.


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That energy (matter) can increases,- decrease or be completely released, -
Remember you said you can't calculate your total energy. So you have no basis to claim that energy "can increases,- decrease or be completely released".

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>> to space, - and therefore like the bolly in the soup , the absolute energy is the cause of change of mass/ gravity / background gravity / time / rulers / distances .
This explains everything. So the so-called curvature of space is no longer necessary.
Great so you should be able to show how your space stretches in one dimension while not curving in the other two. Evidently failing that you now apparently just want to switch from elastic space stretching to space getting thicker and thinness based on some energy it contains. Excellent now show the relation of "the bolly in your" space to the energy in that space. Changing your tune (from stretching space to some kind of space 'thickness') won't change ours. You still have to support your claims and make them at least self consistent.


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There are already well supported theories suggesting that nuclear spins, works like small tornadoes, - now just add to that thesis ; - "and therefore twisting / absorbing elastic "space-density".
So easy, here is the cause of gravity, and even the cause of so-called dark energy
No you don't get to simply pretend other theories have anything to do with your notions. Even if they too require curvature.


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Abstract? - Yes, - and so is the curvature of space concept as well.
No, not Abstract, physical.

A curved physical space has physical consequences. Just as a stretched or thickened space would. Those consequences are physical and not abstract.

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There are no contradiction anywhere in that theory
There is virtually nothing but contradiction in your post quoted here. Heck you're even changing from a elastic stretched space to some thickened or density variable space.

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I have no problems to use the same expression, and even add, to that, that this mean a Newtonian force as the cause of gravity, and not the schizophrenic curvature of space concept..
Yes we know you have no problem trying to steal concepts you don't understand and simply have some prejudice for curved space which you evidently also don't understand.


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There are no contradiction, but you problems are rather as you said, you have not read the theory, - and therefore off course you have not understood it either.
There is no theory just a bunch of self-inconstant assertions, misunderstandings of physics and the history of physics as well as mathematics. All apparently driven by some overriding disdain for curved space. Yes, we have read all that. Heck you just tried to change your fundamental notion from stretched elastic space to "space-density" rather than permit curvature to be a part of it. Well guess what a localized change in "space-density" due to "stretched elastic space" still requires the same curvature in the other dimensions. As I noted some time before elastic properties are well understood in mechanics. Heck, even the "nuclear spins, works like small tornadoes," stuff you want to abscond with require curvature. Apparently no matter how much you want to get away from curvature of space your own assertions still require it.
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Old 23rd April 2018, 07:18 AM   #2092
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Originally Posted by Bjarne View Post
Its simple, within 1 year +/- holidays and bla bla bla, - you will see the theory of relativity fall. - The Newtonian gravity will survive and this is all what is left,
Especially young unspoiled scientist will begin to understand that time has come to hunt the schizophrenia monster to hell.
One year from when, now or all the other times you said it was a year away?

Again the "schizophrenia" of a disdain for a curved physical space while actually requiring such, even if not understanding it, remains entirely yours.
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Old 23rd April 2018, 11:10 AM   #2093
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rubbish





lie





But I have the knowledge how to do it





Nobody ever claimed such misunderstood miss mass





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If you knew how to calculate Mercury’s orbit without referencing Relativity you’d have done so by now. You can drop the pretext. We all know you’re shooting blanks Bjarne. You’re waving around an exceptionally dull butter knife while insisting it’s a katana and screaming, “There can be only one!”

I’d suggest you deliver something other than insults to challenge Relativity, but your post history proves you can’t deliver. You’ve left us all unsatisfied. We came her expecting girthy arguments we’d struggle to handle, ideas we’d gag on while trying to get a grip on them. What you’ve repeatedly delivered is a wet noodle. You’re playing pool with a floppy rope instead of a cue.
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The Theory of Relativity will begin to fall apart in 2016/2017 - Part II

To summarize the thread so far:

For a number of years Bjarne has been asserting that relatively will collapse as a theory. To date, the only evidence he has offered has been a link to a PDF of a paper that is incomplete and does not address his core claims. He was also the author of said paper.

He has admitted he has no relevant scientific credentials and appears proud of this.

He has indirectly admitted to being a flat Earther.

A few “back of the envelope” calculations have shown the rate at which he claims the Earth is accelerating to be consistent with a Biblical young earth creationist model.

He has demonstrated absolutely no comprehension of anything associated with Relativity. He insults anyone who tries to respond to his ignorance constructively.

He insists the math to prove his ideas is “easy” yet refuses to do any of it himself.

He appears to consider “Lorenz” to be a magical incantation to dispel counter arguments. He has demonstrated no comprehension of any of the science associated with the name. He uses it in a manner not dissimilar from the way Hogwarts students invoke Latin.

Relativity remains a firmly entrenched theory with no real challenges on the horizon, or at least none discussed in a thread associated with Bjarne.

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Read this, In Denmark all children learn this is the kindergarten

*snip*
This is, of course, a lie.
And frankly Bjarne, even below YOU.

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*snip*

He appears to consider “Lorenz” to be a magical incantation to dispel counter arguments. He has demonstrated no comprehension of any of the science associated with the name. He uses it in a manner not dissimilar from the way Hogwarts students invoke Latin.

Relativity remains a firmly entrenched theory with no real challenges on the horizon, or at least none discussed in a thread associated with Bjarne.
If you notice Bjarne's surname (Lorenzen) you might guess at the reason for his adoration of the Lorenz transforms. (Lorenzen is a not unusual Danish surname)

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Old 23rd April 2018, 12:23 PM   #2097
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Its simple, within 1 year +/- holidays and bla bla bla, - you will see the theory of relativity fall. - The Newtonian gravity will survive and this is all what is left,
Especially young unspoiled scientist will begin to understand that time has come to hunt the schizophrenia monster to hell.
You are wrong again.
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Old 23rd April 2018, 12:49 PM   #2098
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I'm new to this forum so I'm really surprised by this thread. Shouldn't it be moved to the humour or satire section?
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I'm new to this forum so I'm really surprised by this thread. Shouldn't it be moved to the humour or satire section?
No, because it's too dull to be funny, and he's quite serious.
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No, because it's too dull to be funny, and he's quite serious.
He can't be serious, it's just rubbish.
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He can't be serious, it's just rubbish.
Nevertheless, he is serious. Not even Andy Kaufman could commit to an act with this much dedication.
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Thumbs down Emphasizes his lie with a "Einstein`s derivation of Lorentz transformation" link

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Read this, In Denmark all children learn this is the kindergarten...
In every part of the world, all children learn this in the kindergarten: 1905 happened before 1906 !
Einstein's 1905 paper was before the independent publishing of the Lorentz transformation in 1906 by Poincare.

24 April 2018 Bjarne: Emphasizes his relativity history lie with a "Einstein's derivation of Lorentz transformation" link!
This is a question that implies that Bjarne is lying about the Lorentz transformation existing before Einstein's 1905 paper. But anyone who can read already knows that.

24 April 2018 Bjarne: Idiotic highlighting of "They do not explain "why"." text from a Lorentz transformation question.

24 April 2018 Bjarne: Idiotic quoting of an ignorant crank "answering" a Lorentz transformation question.
This is an independent "researcher" with a stupid PDF where an electromagnetic "zero-point field" causes gravity.

23 April 2018 Bjarne: Repeats his lie about the history of relativity.

19 April 2018 Bjarne: Einstein's 26 September 1905 paper did not try to explain math that did not exist until after it was published !

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He can't be serious, it's just rubbish.
The continued threads are a testimony to their persistence
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Old 24th April 2018, 02:47 AM   #2104
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The curvature of spacetime in general relativity is no more abstract than the curvature of the earth's surface.

For hundreds of years, navigators have been taking the curvature of the earth's surface into account. For two decades, the Global Positioning System has been taking the curvature of spacetime into account.

Those of us who understand curvature also understand why navigators who refuse to take curvature into account will fall off course.


Rubbish, its like you say without relativity the satellite would not be in orbit and everything is perfect
Its NOT, the flyby anomalies already clearly demonstrate that this theory is rubbish
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As pointed oust many times, - the more orbits inclination are aligned with the Dark Flow Axis, as for example Near Shoemaker was, the more you will see unexpected anomalies.

So be ready the Galileo and ISS test is a bucket of ice cold water waiting for this schizophrenic aspect of science.


This theory of relativity is a disgrace for the human race


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If you really think that Newtonian physics is still valid, please explain how Newtonian physics describe the orbit of Mercury.
Is done allready, look above or read here http://pubs.sciepub.com/faac/4/1/1/index.html

In short, EDFA is the keyword, - the faster anything moves opposite DFA the stronger EDFA.

EDFA is the cause of
  1. Flyby anomalies
  2. The precession anomaly of Mercury
  3. Larger kinetic orbiter anomaly of starts and galaxies (as expected)
  4. The ISS and Galileo 5 & 6 will also be effected, I think significant enough to it can be measured. Flyby anomalies are much larger stronger due to much large speed, relative to for example ISS. - And speed is the keyword for EDFA to be active

Shall i say it again ?

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You have claimed that the time dilation that is necessary to make GPS work, is only an illusion.
Lie
I have claimed that all motion opposite Dark Flow will ,mean lower absolute speed and hence faster ticking clocks. NOT slower ticking clocks

Shall i say it again ?

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But you have also claimed that orbits will be influenced by the direction of the dark flow.
GPS satellites have orbit that go all over the place, sometimes with the dark flow and sometimes against it.
They would not work if your claim was true.
How do you explain that?
You have been asked these questions many times but you have always chosen to ignore them or dismiss them without consideration.
GPS is NOT and has never been dedicated to scientific test. I have proven to you that anomalies are most of the time never reported. - Look above

Shall I say it again ?

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Wait so there is "no reason to change anything or to add anything else..." yet you need to add "the ruler is a variant." and "the elastic property of space"? Can't you even just agree with yourself on one simple assertion?
Yes no reason to change Newtonian gravity, - The MTR agree gravity is and always have been a FORCE
Time dilation is a different pipe of tobacco.

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Ah, so there would be no "stretching or contracting" external to space. Well since no one is talking about "stretching or contracting" external to space your "within it self" assertion is moot.
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Such changes would be evident outside the soup.
No the soup is inside the pot, and sometimes soup density coverts to lumps.

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Remember you said you can't calculate your total energy. So you have no basis to claim that energy "can increases,- decrease or be completely released".
You have here and now. Matter moving north will lose energy as well as mass, and time on board thick faster

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Great so you should be able to show how your space stretches in one dimension while not curving in the other two. Evidently failing that you now apparently just want to switch from elastic space stretching to space getting thicker and thinness based on some energy it contains. Excellent now show the relation of "the bolly in your" space to the energy in that space. Changing your tune (from stretching space to some kind of space 'thickness') won't change ours. You still have to support your claims and make them at least self consistent.
Send the bolly north at 200 000 Km/s , you will see its mass shrinking.

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A curved physical space has physical consequences. Just as a stretched or thickened space would. Those consequences are physical and not abstract.
There are no consequences of curvature of space, only fantasy

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There is virtually nothing but contradiction in your post quoted here. Heck you're even changing from a elastic stretched space to some thickened or density variable space.
You don't understand, the curvature nonsense take up too much space. That's the real problem

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Yes we know you have no problem trying to steal concepts you don't understand and simply have some prejudice for curved space which you evidently also don't understand.
Correction to real reality is not stealing but correcting

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There is no theory just a bunch of self-inconstant assertions, misunderstandings of physics and the history of physics as well as mathematics. All apparently driven by some overriding disdain for curved space. Yes, we have read all that. Heck you just tried to change your fundamental notion from stretched elastic space to "space-density" rather than permit curvature to be a part of it. Well guess what a localized change in "space-density" due to "stretched elastic space" still requires the same curvature in the other dimensions. As I noted some time before elastic properties are well understood in mechanics. Heck, even the "nuclear spins, works like small tornadoes," stuff you want to abscond with require curvature. Apparently no matter how much you want to get away from curvature of space your own assertions still require it.
Read what you just wrote next year again, when you and the world is much wiser.

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The Theory of Relativity will begin to fall apart in 2016/2017 - Part II

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If you notice Bjarne's surname (Lorenzen) you might guess at the reason for his adoration of the Lorenz transforms. (Lorenzen is a not unusual Danish surname)



Hans


Ahhh. Now all becomes clear. The artifacts of extreme Christian dogma, the transition to Odin based theology, the extreme and irrational hatred of a theory he disagrees with, and now the trumpeting of a good Danish (white) name against “Jewish Science,” as some NAZIs characterized relativity.

This was never about science. It was always about hating the Jews.
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Originally Posted by Bjarne View Post
Is done allready, look above or read here http://pubs.sciepub.com/faac/4/1/1/index.html

In short, EDFA is the keyword, - the faster anything moves opposite DFA the stronger EDFA.

EDFA is the cause of
  1. Flyby anomalies
  2. The precession anomaly of Mercury
  3. Larger kinetic orbiter anomaly of starts and galaxies (as expected)
  4. The ISS and Galileo 5 & 6 will also be effected, I think significant enough to it can be measured. Flyby anomalies are much larger stronger due to much large speed, relative to for example ISS. - And speed is the keyword for EDFA to be active

Shall i say it again ?


Lie
I have claimed that all motion opposite Dark Flow will ,mean lower absolute speed and hence faster ticking clocks. NOT slower ticking clocks

Shall i say it again ?



GPS is NOT and has never been dedicated to scientific test. I have proven to you that anomalies are most of the time never reported. - Look above

Shall I say it again ?


I love how you dog whistle your NAZI sympathizing by claiming your opponents have dubbed your ideas an “axis of evil.”

You really should slap a coat of Jesus varnish on your ideas and position them as Creationist. You could make a killing on the religious and alt-right lecture circuits in the USA.
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Dear Bjarne "Axis of Evil,"

I think I found the perfect video for you to play to lull your grand kids to sleep at night. It seems right up your alley.

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Originally Posted by Bjarne View Post
Is done allready, look above or read here http://pubs.sciepub.com/faac/4/1/1/index.html

In short, EDFA is the keyword, - the faster anything moves opposite DFA the stronger EDFA.
I'll grant you this one: you have actually addressed it, even if the calculation is rubbish. (Hint: the EDFA is unidirectional, but the precession of Mercury is not unidirectional over many orbits)

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I have claimed that all motion opposite Dark Flow will ,mean lower absolute speed and hence faster ticking clocks. NOT slower ticking clocks
But GPS satellites go in every direction: some opposite the Dark Flow, and some at right angles. But they do not have to take this into account to make them work. The clocks in the GPS satellites go faster by the same amount
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GPS is NOT and has never been dedicated to scientific test.
GPS satellites still need to work, and they would be off by miles if relativity was not considered. Actual working GPS's constitute scientific testing every single day.

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I have proven to you that anomalies are most of the time never reported.
I am sure that it would have been reported if GPS satellites moving against the Dark Flow were off by miles.
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Yes no reason to change Newtonian gravity, - The MTR agree gravity is and always have been a FORCE
Time dilation is a different pipe of tobacco.
Does time dilate due to gravity? If yes then "Time dilation" isn't "a different pipe of tobacco" where gravity is concerned. Again General relativity asserts the Newtonian force of gravity as an inertial force.



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No the soup is inside the pot, and sometimes soup density coverts to lumps.
Which again can be detectable outside the soup and the pot. Anyway you're barking up the wrong tree here, even just analogy wise, not that you'll understand it though. A continuous space is by definition everywhere dense. It can't get more or less dense, anywhere.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dense_set


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You have here and now. Matter moving north will lose energy as well as mass, and time on board thick faster
No we don't, you have shown no evidence or experiment showing "Matter moving north will lose energy as well as mass" nor any directional dependence for relative time. Heck you haven't even shown how your notions would even result in such experimental data. Again, by your own assertion you can't even calculate your total energy to show that it can even change at all.


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Send the bolly north at 200 000 Km/s , you will see its mass shrinking.
Be my guest.

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There are no consequences of curvature of space, only fantasy
Indeed there are and they have been given to you before. Are you claiming there is no way for you to distinguish between a curved and a flat physical space?

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You don't understand, the curvature nonsense take up too much space. That's the real problem
Clearly you don't understand as curvature does not "take up" space at all, but merely alters the relations of points in that space and thus paths through that space.

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Correction to real reality is not stealing but correcting
No, stealing is still stealing regardless of what you think you will be doing with what you try to steal.

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Read what you just wrote next year again, when you and the world is much wiser.
No need, if history is any indication I'll still be saying it to you, again, even then.
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I'll grant you this one: you have actually addressed it, even if the calculation is rubbish. (Hint: the EDFA is unidirectional, but the precession of Mercury is not unidirectional over many orbits)
You don't understand it, - all orbits not moving at full Dark Flow speed is affected by EDFA, - and if the orbit-inclination not is perpendicular on the Dark Flow Axis, you will have periods increasing and decreasing the kinetic energy. The formula to calculate it is there. In addition, as already discussed you have a ASAM influence.

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But GPS satellites go in every direction: some opposite the Dark Flow, and some at right angles. But they do not have to take this into account to make them work. The clocks in the GPS satellites go faster by the same amount the time.
As mentioned the speed relativity to for example flyby-speed is low, - high speed is essential to get large anomalies.
For example if the speed is 10 times larger, you get almost 40 times larger anomalies.
However if you have good enough testing equipment ( based on satellites) , - you will see both speed and apsis anomalies, also in satellite orbits, especially polar satellites.

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GPS satellites still need to work, and they would be off by miles if relativity was not considered. Actual working GPS's constitute scientific testing every single day.
Time dilation is true, - 100% true in a gravitational field, - however only 100% in a absolute frame of motion.
So you will only see relative few anomalies, and mainly if you have large speed, - more or less on the Dark Flow axis.

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I am sure that it would have been reported if GPS satellites moving against the Dark Flow were off by miles.
I have shown many times here, - anomalies are most of the time not reported, - and you is wrong, the MTR theory do NOT deny time dilation

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Does time dilate due to gravity? If yes then "Time dilation" isn't "a different pipe of tobacco" where gravity is concerned. Again General relativity asserts the Newtonian force of gravity as an inertial force.
Mass lower in a gravitation field have lower mass / energy, and therefore lower "reality deformation / transformation" - which include slower ticking clocks.


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Which again can be detectable outside the soup and the pot.
There are no "outside the pot".
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Anyway you're barking up the wrong tree here, even just analogy wise, not that you'll understand it though. A continuous space is by definition everywhere dense. It can't get more or less dense, anywhere.
Wrong,- we had have a thought experiment here at the forum, - showing that also the ruler must be a relativistic, proportional variant. And the same conclusion fits the bill in a overall picture of how the universe works, -, as well as a new cornerstone / aspect of a new theory of relativity, that indeed will be necessary.

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No we don't, you have shown no evidence or experiment showing "Matter moving north will lose energy as well as mass" nor any directional dependence for relative time.
Not yet, but now you know where to look now, for evidence for at a new healthy paradigm, that certainly not will ask for permission to replace insane schizophrenic obsessions.

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Heck you haven't even shown how your notions would even result in such experimental data. .
Start with a simple thing, the ISS test data when available.

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Again, by your own assertion you can't even calculate your total energy to show that it can even change at all
Again, you can measure time dilation in an absolute motion frame (ISS test) - next to understand the cause of the flyby, - same pipe of tobacco as the Mercury perihelion precision anomaly, - after this I am sure clever de-programmed scientist will invent all kind of method to test the new theory of relativity. Don't worry my friend, take it easy, so that I can smoke a cigar.

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Clearly you don't understand as curvature does not "take up" space at all, but merely alters the relations of points in that space and thus paths through that space.
Forget "curvature of space" - its a humiliating chapter of science. Don't make it more painful.

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No, stealing is still stealing regardless of what you think you will be doing with what you try to steal.
Steeling from a rubbish yard is not stealing. SR and GR is already on its way to rubbish, - its not my problem that not many can see it.

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No need, if history is any indication I'll still be saying it to you, again, even then.
You will probably weight your words different sooner as you think

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Steeling from a rubbish yard is not stealing. SR and GR is already on its way to rubbish, - its not my problem that not many can see it.

Ahhh. The logic of every shoplifter who claims there’s nothing wrong with their crimes because they’re only stealing little things or things of little value. “It’s just a candy bar. Nobody will miss it.”

Scale up the logic and you get the folks at a certain investment company who opened fake accounts to rip people off for a few hundred to a few thousand dollars each.

Keep going with that logic and you get degenerate scum who rip off governments and wealthy individuals for millions to billions because “they have plenty of money.”
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You don't understand it, - all orbits not moving at full Dark Flow speed is affected by EDFA, - and if the orbit-inclination not is perpendicular on the Dark Flow Axis, you will have periods increasing and decreasing the kinetic energy. The formula to calculate it is there. In addition, as already discussed you have a ASAM influence.
So you confirm that GPS satellites are affected. Good.

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As mentioned the speed relativity to for example flyby-speed is low, - high speed is essential to get large anomalies.
For example if the speed is 10 times larger, you get almost 40 times larger anomalies.
However if you have good enough testing equipment ( based on satellites) , - you will see both speed and apsis anomalies, also in satellite orbits, especially polar satellites.
This means that GPS satellites are better than ISS to show the anomalies, because they move much faster, and they exist in polar orbits.

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Time dilation is true, - 100% true in a gravitational field, - however only 100% in a absolute frame of motion.
So you will only see relative few anomalies, and mainly if you have large speed, - more or less on the Dark Flow axis.
Again GPS satellites are ideal with their high speed on the Dark Flow axis, and the extreme precision that is necessary for them to do their job.

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I am sure that it would have been reported if GPS satellites moving against the Dark Flow were off by miles.
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I have shown many times here, - anomalies are most of the time not reported,
I must have missed it when you showed that GPS faults are not reported most of the time.

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- and you is wrong, the MTR theory do NOT deny time dilation
I may be wrong in thinking that you dismiss time dilation, but you certainly led me to do so by dismissing it as "an illusion".
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I must have missed it when you showed that GPS faults are not reported most of the time.
It was ages ago. He asserted that they were being manually corrected as a way to excuse the lack of proof of them in the publicly available logs that someone linked to. It was pointed out that this would entail a huge expenditure in terms of staffing. I don't recall where the discussion went after that, but it looks like his current denial of time dilation in general is how he "resolved" the issue in his "arguments."

tl;dr: He didn't prove anything, but because it contradicts his pure-blooded Aryan theories, he denies the evidence even exists.

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So you confirm that GPS satellites are affected. Good.
It took you long time to get that point, well batter late as never
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This means that GPS satellites are better than ISS to show the anomalies, because they move much faster, and they exist in polar orbits.
No solar system space probes are better, because these are much faster by flyby.
Next is the ISS, and Earth satellite are the slowest.


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Again GPS satellites are ideal with their high speed on the Dark Flow axis, and the extreme precision that is necessary for them to do their job.
Earth satellite are the slowest.

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I must have missed it when you showed that GPS faults are not reported most of the time.
Twice yes, go back at check it

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I may be wrong in thinking that you dismiss time dilation, but you certainly led me to do so by dismissing it as "an illusion".
Better late as never
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So you confirm that GPS satellites are affected. Good.
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Spacecraft Anomalies
Whether the NASA MMOD programs focus on protecting the space environment or the spacecraft, monitoring, reporting, and analysis of satellite anomalies are of vital importance.
Particulate-induced anomalies could provide valuable validation of environment characterization of objects within critical size ranges (5 mm to 10 cm for debris and 10–11 g for meteoroids) and velocities (7 km/s for debris, up to 72 km/s for meteoroids if in bound solar orbit), as well as a better understanding of operational effects owing to particulate impacts.

Satellite anomalies are mission-degrading or mission-terminating events affecting on-orbit operational spacecraft.
However, it is not normal procedure to provide information on these anomalies to the public or even to other offices within the same organization, for to a variety of reasons: limited staff for reporting and analysis, concerns about system reputation, desire to protect proprietary information, uncertainty in the meaning or cause of the events, national security, and so on.
Depending on their severity, a program operations philosophy, and an available staff, anomalies are recorded and analyzed to some degree.
Individual operational satellite programs, such as Iridium, Defense Meteorological Satellites Program, and others, use such information as a means to (1) assess system performance, (2) determine potential changes in operations, or (3) diagnose the cause of an event.

There is no standard nomenclature for describing system symptoms associated with anomalies or how they are recorded, shared, resolved, or stored.
There is no standard approach to prioritizing steps in a process for addressing an anomaly, including recording, resolution, and/or determination of cause.
Many system operators are much more concerned about getting their satellite back into operation than about determining the cause of a failure. Repeat failures often get examined much more rigorously.

Typically, the following causes of anomalies are considered: routine failures of parts, electrostatic discharge, single-event upset, command error, particulate impact, and unknown.

Unfortunately, there is no standard resolution process to determine the cause of an anomaly. The process of determining a cause is unreliable, and the degree of confidence applied to any one cause is minimal.
“Unknown” is attributed to the vast majority of anomaly cases, since it is so difficult to determine exactly what happens in space without dedicated instrumentation to provide insights from on-orbit encounters that adversely affect satellite operations.
There may be times when an “unknown” is erroneously attributed to a meteoroid or orbital debris event. Or there may other times when additional data indicates a high probability that the failure was caused by an MMOD event (see Box 10.1).
From a flight safety perspective (i.e., protecting the spacecraft), determining the cause of anomalies in space is important to better assess how the system will continue to function and how future systems might perform.


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Forget "curvature of space" - its a humiliating chapter of science. Don't make it more painful.

In reality, "curvature of space" is an example of mathematics and science at their best.

In 1827, Carl Friedrich Gauss published his Disquisitiones Generales Circa Superficies Curvas. Gauss defined what is now known as Gaussian curvature, and stated his Theorema Egregium (Remarkable Theorem). Translated from the Latin:

Originally Posted by Gauss
Thus the formula of the preceding article leads itself to the remarkable Theorem. If a curved surface is developed upon any other surface whatever, the measure of curvature in each point remains unchanged.

In 1853, Gauss suggested to his student Bernhard Riemann that Riemann generalize Gaussian curvature to higher dimensions. In 1854, Riemann gave a lecture Ueber die Hypothesen welche der Geometrie zu Grunde liegen, which was the beginning of what we now call Riemannian geometry. Riemann's key idea is what we now call the Riemann curvature tensor.

Those ideas were the foundation for non-Euclidean geometry, Riemannian manifolds, and the entire area of mathematics that came to be known as differential geometry.

Circa 1900, however, what we now refer to as differential geometry was called the absolute differential calculus. That is the mathematics Albert Einstein had to learn in order to generalize his special theory of relativity to his general theory.

The curvature of space has therefore given us entire areas of mathematics and one of the most beautiful and sophisticated theories of modern physics.

As Bjarne has gone to a lot of trouble to demonstrate, it is not possible to understand the general theory of relativity without understanding the concept of curvature.
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Spacecraft Anomalies
Whether the NASA MMOD programs focus on protecting the space environment or the spacecraft, monitoring, reporting, and analysis of satellite anomalies are of vital importance.

<remainder snipped>
None of that is relevant to GPS. In fact, even small GPS orbit anomalies would cause substantial nav errors even if the Air Force didn't report those anomalies, and we don't see those errors.

GPS data is made available to the scientific community in excruciating detail, allowing some very exacting analysis of both Earth's geometry and the spacecraft themselves. A variation in orbit speed of even one millimeter per second would confound any such analysis, but, again, we don't see any such errors.
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