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Old 6th December 2019, 05:18 PM   #1681
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Just received a full briefing on the tragic shooting at NAS Pensacola in Florida, and spoke to @GovRonDeSantis. My thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families during this difficult time. We are continuing to monitor the situation as the investigation is ongoing.

King Salman of Saudi Arabia just called to express his sincere condolences and give his sympathies to the families and friends of the warriors who were killed and wounded in the attack that took place in Pensacola, Florida....

....The King said that the Saudi people are greatly angered by the barbaric actions of the shooter, and that this person in no way shape or form represents the feelings of the Saudi people who love the American people.
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Old 6th December 2019, 05:19 PM   #1682
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NAS Pensacola is a huge source of pride for all of Northwest Florida. It is the home of naval aviation. It is the home of the Blue Angels. In our home, this is who we are.

Thank you for keeping Pensacola in your hearts and in your prayers as we deal with this difficult day.
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Old 6th December 2019, 05:32 PM   #1683
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So Trump is now a PR hack for the Saudi Government....
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Old 6th December 2019, 05:39 PM   #1684
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
With friends like the Saudis, we sure as hell don't need enemies.
That's been true from even before Sept 11 2001.

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So Trump is now a PR hack for the Saudi Government....
You mean still a PR hack for the Saudis. Murder a reporter in Turkey and cut him up with bone saws? No big deal.
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Old 6th December 2019, 05:47 PM   #1685
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
That's been true from even before Sept 11 2001.


Y.

None of the 9/11 Terrorists was a serving Saudi Military Officer, though.That does make a difference.


Maybe they should change the wording of that sign on the entrance to the Main FLight School at Penesecola:

"Through These Doors Pass the Best Damn Crazed Terrorists In The World".
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Old 6th December 2019, 07:44 PM   #1686
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
None of the 9/11 Terrorists was a serving Saudi Military Officer, though.That does make a difference.


Maybe they should change the wording of that sign on the entrance to the Main FLight School at Penesecola:

"Through These Doors Pass the Best Damn Crazed Terrorists In The World".
I think there was even an NCIS episode about this.
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Old 7th December 2019, 07:36 AM   #1687
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Daily Mail reports that the guy wrote a sort of manifesto online hours before the killings where he said that America is a nation of evil. Also six other Saudi nationals were arrested or detained including three who filmed the entire incident.

Nothing confirmed.
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Old 7th December 2019, 08:07 AM   #1688
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Why use a gun when he could use an aircraft? (assuming he could gain access)
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Old 7th December 2019, 12:05 PM   #1689
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Probably wanted to be up close and personal.

My workplace was all a buzz about the Sailor who shot three people in the shipyard at Pearl Harbor several days ago. It seems he was a submarine topside watch (sentry) armed with an M4 rifle and a pistol. I read he was having problems and going to be subject to NJP soon; prior to the shooting.

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Old 7th December 2019, 01:21 PM   #1690
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My question is: what happened to “extreme vetting”, especially of foreign nationals (and especially of people who happen to be from a certain religion) training on US military bases? And how the hell did this guy get a gun on to the base?

Considering our permanent state of post-9/11 paranoia and stringent security measures, one would think that the US military of all institutions would be more attuned to this kind of thing...
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Old 7th December 2019, 01:27 PM   #1691
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And how the hell did this guy get a gun on to the base?
Illegal purchase then bring it on base inside a backpack or other personal item?

I've never been searched on the way into a naval base except for the time the gate guards had me raise my hood once. There are random inspections of vehicles and some ships use x-ray and metal detectors prior to going on board.

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Old 7th December 2019, 02:36 PM   #1692
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My question is: what happened to “extreme vetting”, especially of foreign nationals (and especially of people who happen to be from a certain religion) training on US military bases?
It was employed in this case. Nothing pertinent was discovered during the process.

It may be important to note that in addition to being a Saudi national, the shooter was 21 - solidly college-age, and attending a school. In point of fact, the specific location he started shooting people at was the classroom building. I have a feeling there are some who will absolutely refuse to consider it; but we might end up having to confront the fact that a Muslim student who shoots up his school campus may have chosen to do it for other-than-religious reasons.
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Old 7th December 2019, 03:55 PM   #1693
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Report paints picture of Pensacola shooter having anti-American views

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...According to a New York Times report, Alshamrani watched mass shooting videos at a dinner party the night before his attack. The newspaper says the information comes from a source briefed on the investigation but not authorized to speak publicly...

Other Saudis detained...
https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/07/us/pe...day/index.html
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Old 7th December 2019, 05:33 PM   #1694
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Reports now saying the FBI is looking for some Saudi students at Navy Station Pensacola who are not coming forward.
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Old 7th December 2019, 06:42 PM   #1695
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...According to a New York Times report, Alshamrani watched mass shooting videos at a dinner party the night before his attack.
It's okay, I'm sure he was just blowing off some steam with a totally normal and completely harmless revenge fantasy that was absolutely no cause for any kind of concern or special attention.
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Old 8th December 2019, 07:07 AM   #1696
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Originally Posted by Daily Mail
The Saudi military student who killed three and injured 12 when he opened fire at Navy Station Pensacola on Friday used a loophole in the law to purchase the handgun he used in the attack.

Mohammed Saeed al-Shamrani, 21, bought the firearm legally from a store in Pensacola by providing the business owner with his hunting license, sources told NBC on Saturday. Non-citizens are prevented from buying firearms, unless they are in possession of such a license.

The New York Times has reported the handgun as being a Glock 45 9-millimeter with an extended magazine.

al-Sharami is said to have had four to six other magazines in his possession at the time the shooting occurred. It's unclear when al-Shamrani, 21, bought the handgun...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-handgun.html
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Old 8th December 2019, 07:35 AM   #1697
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That's not a loophole that's a provision in the law.
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Old 8th December 2019, 08:15 AM   #1698
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That's not a loophole that's a provision in the law.
I'm curious how a 9mm pistol is useful in hunting deer, turkey or waterfowl.
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Hmmm, the Daily Mail got something right; sort of. Not a loophole though.
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/may-...immigrant-visa
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An alien admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa is prohibited from shipping, transporting, receiving, or possessing a firearm or ammunition unless the alien falls within one of the exceptions provided in 18 U.S.C. 922(y)(2), such as: a valid hunting license or permit, admitted for lawful hunting or sporting purposes, certain official representatives of a foreign government, or a foreign law enforcement officer of a friendly foreign government entering the United States on official law enforcement business.

[18 U.S.C. 922(g)(5)(B) and 922(y)(2); 27 CFR 478.11 and 478.32]
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I'm curious how a 9mm pistol is useful in hunting deer, turkey or waterfowl.
It isn't unless it is modified with a longer barrel and shoulder stock. Even then it is only good for smaller game.

But issue is that it appears that the student bought it legally.

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Hmmm, the Daily Mail got something right; sort of. Not a loophole though.
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/may-...immigrant-visa



It isn't unless it is modified with a longer barrel and shoulder stock. Even then it is only good for smaller game.

But issue is that it appears that the student bought it legally.
There seems to be 300 million plus legal guns in the US. There is ample evidence of legal guns being used to kill people. Is this one in some way significant?
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I'm curious how a 9mm pistol is useful in hunting deer, turkey or waterfowl.
You are attempting to apply logic to USA gun laws. It's futile.
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I wonder what would happen if tourists were allowed to purchase firearms in the USA?
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You are attempting to apply logic to USA gun laws. It's futile.
That's why there is always a storm of protest when gun control is supported. " Your laws aren't logical and consistent". Hard to apply logic to such a shambles.
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Sigh. https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2019/12...ty-shooting-4/
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Just received a briefing on the horrific shootout that took place in Jersey City, NJ. Our thoughts & prayers are w/ the victims & their families during this very difficult & tragic time. We will continue to monitor the situation as we assist local & state officials on the ground.
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BBC: USA has now grounded hundreds of Saudi aviation students at bases across the country.
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Czech shooting: Gunman kills six at hospital in Ostrava

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A gunman has killed six people in a hospital waiting room in the Czech city of Ostrava before shooting himself in the head, police say. Armed police found the suspect dead from a self-inflicted gunshot in a vehicle three hours later.

The gunman was believed to be a patient at the hospital, one unconfirmed report said. His motive remains unclear...

The shooting took place in a matter of moments at Ostrava university hospital's trauma clinic. Hospital director Jiri Havrlant told Czech TV the gunman opened fire without warning, hitting nine patients. Four men and two women were killed and three other people were wounded, two seriously. All of the victims were patients at the hospital...

The gun used in the attack was described as a 9mm Czech-made handgun, which the suspect did not have a licence for...

Colleagues of the suspected gunman told Czech media that he had recently gone on sick leave, declaring he was seriously ill. He was said to be a construction engineer who had been treated at the hospital's haemato-oncology department.

Prime Minister Andrej Babis confirmed that six people had been killed and that the shootings occurred at close range. He said the suspect had visited his mother at her home following the attack to inform her of what he had done...
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50725840
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Czech shooting: Gunman kills six at hospital in Ostrava

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50725840
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3 civilians, 2 suspects and police officer killed in New Jersey kosher grocery store shooting

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A pair of armed people targeted a New Jersey kosher grocery in an attack that killed six people including the shooters, though the motive of the attack remains unclear, public safety officials said on Wednesday.

A police shootout with two people armed with high-powered rifles erupted after midday on Tuesday in Jersey City, New Jersey's second-largest municipality, directly across the Hudson River from Manhattan. The six dead included three civilians, one police officer and both shooters, authorities said.
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That's not a loophole that's a provision in the law.
Whatever it is, it ought to be changed.
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Non-immigrant aliens are vetted prior to entry. I'm not sure how thorough it is compared to NICS. Here is some info. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1182

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(i) In general Except as provided in clause (ii), any alien convicted of, or who admits having committed, or who admits committing acts which constitute the essential elements of—
(I) a crime involving moral turpitude (other than a purely political offense) or an attempt or conspiracy to commit such a crime, or
(II) a violation of (or a conspiracy or attempt to violate) any law or regulation of a State, the United States, or a foreign country relating to a controlled substance (as defined in section 802 of title 21),
Is your objection to aliens buying guns related to vetting, country of origin or something else?
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Looks like they caught the scum responsible for the New Orleans shootings. https://www.nola.com/news/crime_poli...30300091a.html
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Looks like they caught the scum responsible for the New Orleans shootings. https://www.nola.com/news/crime_poli...30300091a.html

And look at how much national press this is not getting. I did a search for any mention of the name "LaBryson Polidore" (the shooter in question) on CNN and got zero results. I see no mention on FOX News either, just their local affiliates.

Type his name into a search engine and look at all the news sites popup that you've never ever heard of. The story has been out 4 days and nobody cares.

Hey, it's just another day where 13 people were shot in a major city, nothing to see I guess.

But I'm not surprised. I already predicted this would happen with this story, and why, a few pages ago. You're black, sorry no Rolling Stone cover for you. A brutha can't get a break, man!
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And look at how much national press this is not getting. I did a search for any mention of the name "LaBryson Polidore" (the shooter in question) on CNN and got zero results. I see no mention on FOX News either, just their local affiliates.

Type his name into a search engine and look at all the news sites popup that you've never ever heard of. The story has been out 4 days and nobody cares.

Hey, it's just another day where 13 people were shot in a major city, nothing to see I guess.

But I'm not surprised. I already predicted this would happen with this story, and why, a few pages ago. You're black, sorry no Rolling Stone cover for you. A brutha can't get a break, man!
How is that bad ? IMHO not commenting on mass shooting, especially on the shooters, is the main thing we can do. We are not fighting shooters, we are not fighting weapons. We are fighting 'mass shooting culture'.
Here in Czech Republic we had mass shooting last week, mentioned few posts back. Things like that are super rare around here (also we are tiny country). Yet in the following week, at least 2 other people threatened to repeat it. It's simply infectious meme, similar to suicide (and in many cases, it is just form of suicide).
Not reporting on it at all would be best. And when reporting, the focus should be on victims. Numbers, names, personal stories, showing they were real people.
Not reporting on shooter, weapons, methods, background, especially not political views or mental issues (that can help another mental ill to identify with the shooter).
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Old 22nd December 2019, 02:49 PM   #1715
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13 shot in Chicago. Bummer. At least no one is dead. https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...zba-story.html
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Old 28th December 2019, 06:58 PM   #1717
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Old 28th December 2019, 07:15 PM   #1718
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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/new...ectid=12297033

A wife a dog and a cat, NRA thanked.
Well he seems more like anti-NRA if I get it right. Well, that just shows you that you can have nuts of many flavors.
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Old 29th December 2019, 01:36 PM   #1719
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Plus the Hanukkah machete attack in New York and the church shooting in Texas.
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Old 29th December 2019, 02:21 PM   #1720
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How is that bad ? IMHO not commenting on mass shooting, especially on the shooters, is the main thing we can do. We are not fighting shooters, we are not fighting weapons. We are fighting 'mass shooting culture'.
Here in Czech Republic we had mass shooting last week, mentioned few posts back. Things like that are super rare around here (also we are tiny country). Yet in the following week, at least 2 other people threatened to repeat it. It's simply infectious meme, similar to suicide (and in many cases, it is just form of suicide).
Not reporting on it at all would be best. And when reporting, the focus should be on victims. Numbers, names, personal stories, showing they were real people.
Not reporting on shooter, weapons, methods, background, especially not political views or mental issues (that can help another mental ill to identify with the shooter).
You want the press to ignore these attacks? Even the white supremacist ones?
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