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Old 10th December 2019, 05:34 PM   #1
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My fantasy. Trump convicted.

I know the chances of this are slim and none. But hey, I also occasionally buy lottery tickets.

Imagine the scene in the Senate and in the White House if the Senate voted to convict and disqualify Trump.

Pence would probably take the Oath of Office there on the Senate floor right after the vote and Trump would be escorted out of the White House.

My question is what would Trump's reaction be? Would he cry? Nixon did when he resigned. Would Trump still be tweeting? And if so, what would he say?
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Old 10th December 2019, 05:42 PM   #2
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Oof.

You'd think the grand unveiling of the Articles of Impeachment would be a big energizing day for progressives. I'd have thought you'd be all excited for the coming work, not retreating into a fantasy world you don't really expect to become real.

Did today's impeachment proceedings really hit that hard?
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Old 10th December 2019, 05:53 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
My question is what would Trump's reaction be? Would he cry? Nixon did when he resigned. Would Trump still be tweeting? And if so, what would he say?
He'd call it an attempted coup and summon his Minutemen to the White House to protect him, their race, their nation and their Constitution (in that order of importance). I make that prediction confident that it will not be proved wrong.
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Old 10th December 2019, 05:58 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Oof.

You'd think the grand unveiling of the Articles of Impeachment would be a big energizing day for progressives. I'd have thought you'd be all excited for the coming work, not retreating into a fantasy world you don't really expect to become real.

Did today's impeachment proceedings really hit that hard?
We can watch how that works out and entertain ourselves at the same time.
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Old 10th December 2019, 06:15 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Oof.

You'd think the grand unveiling of the Articles of Impeachment would be a big energizing day for progressives. I'd have thought you'd be all excited for the coming work, not retreating into a fantasy world you don't really expect to become real.

Did today's impeachment proceedings really hit that hard?
There is nothing energizing about this. It is depressing. It tears me apart to see Trump tearing this country apart.
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Old 10th December 2019, 07:15 PM   #6
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There is nothing energizing about this. It is depressing. It tears me apart to see Trump tearing this country apart.
In my 65 years, I've never seen anything like we're going through right now...including the Clinton impeachment. Sure, there's been rancor and partisanship but nothing even comes close to the level we're seeing now. I agree that Trump would never have been elected if so many people had not already been receptive to his message. But he has taken a bad situation and made it infinitely worse. It's just a sad, sad period in our history.
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Old 10th December 2019, 07:45 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by CapelDodger View Post
He'd call it an attempted coup and summon his Minutemen to the White House to protect him, their race, their nation and their Constitution (in that order of importance). I make that prediction confident that it will not be proved wrong.
At that point it would no longer simply be an "attempted coup". The moment 2/3rds of US Senators vote to impeach Trump would immediately becomes citizen Trump. There is no transition period. No one has to follow a single Trump order or request after that moment.
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Old 10th December 2019, 07:55 PM   #8
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He would let rip with his dirt on everyone involved with his abuses as well as compromat on people like Lindsay Graham.
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I don't want to see him dragged kicking and screaming from the Oval Office. Or on a defiant perp walk.

I want to see him humiliated and pointed and laughed at. It would be the most crushing thing that he could experience. Recall his reaction at the WH Press Correspondents' Dinner with Obam joking. Or being laughed at at the UN -- that sheepish grin and the scrunched shoulders show it really got to him
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Old 10th December 2019, 08:34 PM   #10
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If we are making wishes, wouldn't it be better to wish to find out you were mistaken and a crime did not occur?
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If we are making wishes, wouldn't it be better to wish to find out you were mistaken and a crime did not occur?
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My fantasy isn't outside the realm of possibility...

It would be better if a number of GOP Senators voted to remove, but not enough votes to remove. And then he gets creamed in the general. And then NY State sends him to Attica.
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I don't want to see him dragged kicking and screaming from the Oval Office. Or on a defiant perp walk.

I want to see him humiliated and pointed and laughed at. It would be the most crushing thing that he could experience. Recall his reaction at the WH Press Correspondents' Dinner with Obam joking. Or being laughed at at the UN -- that sheepish grin and the scrunched shoulders show it really got to him
The only way he'll be dragged out is if he refuses to leave. I doubt we would see footage of that. But it would be bizarre. I can't imagine laughing at this. It would be more a sigh of relief that he's gone.

I can't even imagine how his life would change. Something tells me that would be the end of the Trump organization. The Trump brand would be destroyed.
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He would let rip with his dirt on everyone involved with his abuses as well as compromat on people like Lindsay Graham.
Which is why it likely will never go down that way.

I'd put the percentages as something like:

90% Trump acquitted in Senate after trial. His reign of incompetence continues.

5% Trump resigns as part of a deal to get his own show on FOX or to be on the Voice or something else weird. Who knows. Pence does a better job at ramming through nutfudge judges and we are all screwed anyway.

2.5% Trump mysteriously dies, probably an ides of march thing based on fear of the post above, but it is spun to be because of Obama Clinton something as if a Democratic plot wouldn't have taken out Pence as well and make Pelosi president. See above about judges.
Plus a massive uptick in right wing terrorism.

2% Trump resigns for health reasons. See above about Judges.

.49% Russkies whack Trump and Pence with some nominal attempt to frame Dems. US devolves into civil war and probably dissolves.

.001% Trump is convicted by the Senate. See above about Judges.
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I believe that a convicted President has to walk naked from the Senate to the White House to the ringing of bells and cries of "Shame!".
It's not worth it if we have to see Trump naked
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I believe that a convicted President has to walk naked from the Senate to the White House to the ringing of bells and cries of "Shame!".
It's not worth it if we have to see Trump naked
I'm shocked that we haven't seen some sort of video of Trump's penis yet. I took 2-1 by the end of the first year and lost.
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You would prefer a bad act is committed and punished rather than no bad act committed at all?
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I'm shocked that we haven't seen some sort of video of Trump's penis yet. I took 2-1 by the end of the first year and lost.

you've never played MarioKart?
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I don't want to see him dragged kicking and screaming from the Oval Office. Or on a defiant perp walk.

I want to see him humiliated and pointed and laughed at. It would be the most crushing thing that he could experience. Recall his reaction at the WH Press Correspondents' Dinner with Obam joking. Or being laughed at at the UN -- that sheepish grin and the scrunched shoulders show it really got to him
The rest of the world already points and laughs at Trump, its only that 130 million or so American deplorables who are still being duped by the clown.
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I believe that a convicted President has to walk naked from the Senate to the White House to the ringing of bells and cries of "Shame!".
It's not worth it if we have to see Trump naked
"Shame shame shaaaame!"
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I believe that a convicted President has to walk naked from the Senate to the White House to the ringing of bells and cries of "Shame!".
It's not worth it if we have to see Trump naked
Remember what happened to the woman ringing the bell and crying, "Shame!"?
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Remember what happened to the woman ringing the bell and crying, "Shame!"?
your point being that Trump will blow up Congress if they dare to impeach him?
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I want to see Trump as he's escorted out stop by and look the Senate Democrats in the eye and they'll tell him "Mr. Trump, you're fired!"
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your point being that Trump will blow up Congress if they dare to impeach him?
Nope, Septa Unela was not in the Sept of Balor when Cersei blew it up. She was instead kidnapped and brought to the Red Keep to be the personal plaything of the Mountain. It is left unclear what he will do to her, either torture or rape her, but considering that Cersei made it clear that the nun would not be dying anytime soon I suspect the latter.
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Nope, Septa Unela was not in the Sept of Balor when Cersei blew it up. She was instead kidnapped and brought to the Red Keep to be the personal plaything of the Mountain. It is left unclear what he will do to her, either torture or rape her, but considering that Cersei made it clear that the nun would not be dying anytime soon I suspect the latter.
I was thinking more of this version of the naked walk of shame...

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I thought of this first because (and I am proud to say) I have never, ever watched a single episode of Game of Thrones - and I am never likely to.
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Nope, Septa Unela was not in the Sept of Balor when Cersei blew it up. She was instead kidnapped and brought to the Red Keep to be the personal plaything of the Mountain. It is left unclear what he will do to her, either torture or rape her, but considering that Cersei made it clear that the nun would not be dying anytime soon I suspect the latter.
I agree that Trump is as insane as Cercei and will direct his anger that the entirely wrong target once he has the power to do so.
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Oof.

You'd think the grand unveiling of the Articles of Impeachment would be a big energizing day for progressives. I'd have thought you'd be all excited for the coming work, not retreating into a fantasy world you don't really expect to become real.

Did today's impeachment proceedings really hit that hard?
Impeaching a President, any President, even one as crooked as Trump is not a cause for celebration.

There seems to be a belief among conservatives that the Democrats want to Impeach any Republican President as revenge for Clinton's Impeachment, and that they have been clambering to do it, especially to Trump.

This simply isn't true. Most Democrats would have liked to see Trump be a good President and succeed, but right from the start of his campaign it was apparent that he probably wasn't going to do so. He has never been able to put aside his partisanship and represent all Americans, instead he bad-mouths anyone that doesn't support him.

The reason that people on the left have been saying right from the start that he was going to be impeached, was because from his actions before he got elected it seemed pretty clear that if he didn't stop acting that way, he was going to break a law, abuse his office, or do something else that was impeachable. Then we all learned about the Russian interference and from all the evidence that was being seen, and the way he was acting it looked like he was up to his neck in it, and in the end it might only have been via incompetence that he wasn't actively doing so.

So yeah, people have been "after" him since he got in, but it's been through his own doing. If he didn't want people investigating him or calling him a criminal, then he needs to stop doing things that look illegal and shady as all heck. No one can constantly act like a crook and then be offended when people call them out on being crooked.

And let's be honest here. If Obama had done half the stuff that Trump has, he would have been Impeached in his first year.
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I agree with Phantomwolf. It really doesn't matter if the Dems wanted to impeach Trump from day one or not. If he did not commit impeachable acts, then the Dems would not have brought charges against him as evidenced by their failure to do so after the Mueller report regarding obstruction. Their hand was forced by Trump's own behavior and actions.

This whole "the Dems just want revenge for losing the election" excuse is nonsense. Was impeachment ever even whispered about after the Gore/ Bush election? No. No one was out to 'get' Bush even though there was a lot of anger over how that election was mishandled.
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No one was out to 'get' Bush even though there was a lot of anger over how that election was mishandled.
To be fair there were Impeachment attempts against Bush, but mostly over the Iraq War and his lying about it, but there were other things too.
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To be fair there were Impeachment attempts against Bush, but mostly over the Iraq War and his lying about it, but there were other things too.
But those were not during Bush's first term which was the result of the Gore/Bush election...which was the point of my post. The one you're talking about was in mid- 2008 long after the 2000 election so certainly not a case of "the Dems are just angry about losing the election".
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But those were not during Bush's first term which was the result of the Gore/Bush election...which was the point of my post. The one you're talking about was in mid- 2008 long after the 2000 election so certainly not a case of "the Dems are just angry about losing the election".
True, I was just noting it before someone else did so as a distraction.
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True, I was just noting it before someone else did so as a distraction.
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Impeaching a President, any President, even one as crooked as Trump is not a cause for celebration.

There seems to be a belief among conservatives that the Democrats want to Impeach any Republican President as revenge for Clinton's Impeachment, and that they have been clambering to do it, especially to Trump.

This simply isn't true. Most Democrats would have liked to see Trump be a good President and succeed, but right from the start of his campaign it was apparent that he probably wasn't going to do so. He has never been able to put aside his partisanship and represent all Americans, instead he bad-mouths anyone that doesn't support him.

The reason that people on the left have been saying right from the start that he was going to be impeached, was because from his actions before he got elected it seemed pretty clear that if he didn't stop acting that way, he was going to break a law, abuse his office, or do something else that was impeachable. Then we all learned about the Russian interference and from all the evidence that was being seen, and the way he was acting it looked like he was up to his neck in it, and in the end it might only have been via incompetence that he wasn't actively doing so.

So yeah, people have been "after" him since he got in, but it's been through his own doing. If he didn't want people investigating him or calling him a criminal, then he needs to stop doing things that look illegal and shady as all heck. No one can constantly act like a crook and then be offended when people call them out on being crooked.

And let's be honest here. If Obama had done half the stuff that Trump has, he would have been Impeached in his first year.
Plenty of Republicans saw the coming dumpster fire.
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He would let rip with his dirt on everyone involved with his abuses as well as compromat on people like Lindsay Graham.

In this he differs from no top politician.
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I have something to confess. From day one, every morning, I quickly check the news. Each day, to see if he has been killed, dropped dead of other causes, or that he has been imprisoned. But no, not yet.
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Oof.

You'd think the grand unveiling of the Articles of Impeachment would be a big energizing day for progressives. I'd have thought you'd be all excited for the coming work, not retreating into a fantasy world you don't really expect to become real.

Did today's impeachment proceedings really hit that hard?
Odd, the way you use "progressive" as a pejorative.

If I called critics of impeachment reactionaries (an accurate characterization of most of them, I think), could you object?
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Odd, the way you use "progressive" as a pejorative.

If I called critics of impeachment reactionaries (an accurate characterization of most of them, I think), could you object?
I don't generally use the term as a pejorative. I'm not using it that way here.
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