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2nd May 2006, 12:28 PM | #2401 |
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2nd May 2006, 12:31 PM | #2402 |
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Our first conver song should be Linkin Park's "The Truth." It sounds a lot like the Loosers. It's repetitive, bland, incomprehensible, melodramatic, never stops repeating the word "truth", and rambles a lot of incoherent paranoid crap.
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2nd May 2006, 12:36 PM | #2403 |
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Well I just got back from New Orleans last night ( had to make sure the bombs were successfully installed in the levee repairs awaiting the next hurricane we have scheduled ) and I see this thread is still kicking.
Seems like the same old same old - looser unable to answer a simpole direct question while moving goalposts and ignoring evidence that his "facts" are actually lies, while making up new "facts" at an astounding rate. Geggy, can you answer the questions people have put to you please? Or are you a liar and a deciever? |
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I mean, if you are going to think about conspiracies, the larger they are, the less likely. If you ABSOLUTELY MUST HAVE a conpsiracy, (and there is no real reason that you should) you get a kind of dichotomy. Either the Loose Change videos and related CT material are fabricated, or the much grander network of evidence supporting that the buildings fell because they were struck by planes is false. The second involves greater skill at photomanipulation, the cooperation of every major news company, the cooperation of the entire U.S. government (who, last I knew, could never agree on anything), and vast, innumerable resources. Geggy called it a pyramid, suggesting that there is even hierarchy involved, with one individual at the top. And this has been going on for years, decades, etc... Whereas a Loose Change conspiracy requires far fewer resources and cooperation to create a video expressing a misinformed interpretation of one event, put it on the internet, and generate support. You don't have to fake any media companies because the net has no quality control! You can lie to millions and you don't have to go through a publisher or broadcaster, or anyone else who might object. You don't even need skill at photoshop because most of the theory is conjecture, the inability to find existing evidence, testimony, and ambiguous photos. Don't even bother to photoshop them, just leave them cropped (or don't) and let the CT interpretation sink in! You don't have to fake evidence so it looks like you PROVED something, all you have to do is convince people. All you need is a couple of guys, some video editing software, a computer, and an internet connection.
The larger the conspiracy, the more cooperation required, the more resources and skill that go into it, the more likely it is to fail. You have to do a lot just to make it happen, and all these things have to run smoothly all the time. If you have a small conspiracy, you only need to do a few things that succeed and you are done. You do less, so there is less possibility for error, and the overall process is much shorter and easier. And look: Terrorists freakin' love the internet. They can spread their cause to the masses with the push of a button, e-mail anyone pdf files on how to make bombs and where to coordinate the next strike, set up websites to take donations. Al Qaeda spreads their beheading propaganda videos all over the place. It's the fastest, cheapest way to reach and influence a global audience, and these people know how it's done. The terrorists fill the niche of the conspirators in the lesser example quite nicely. Now, that doesn't mean that Al Qaeda has to be solely responsible, it may be another terrorist organization, but they have a motive to attack and undermine the U.S. government. Whereas for the greater conspiracy's motives are "to keep themselves in power," which isn't much of a motive since you can accomplish much without need of a conspiracy. If they're already using the world's resources to do it and taking their sweet time with it, they have very little left of the world to gain from a comparitively enormous expendeture. In fact the damn thing is so nebulous you can't pin down a logical motive. Compare this to the Al Qaeda terrorists, who have actual political concerns, a hell of a lot to gain from undermining the U.S., and see themselves as heavily oppressed by an overwhelming Western dictatorship- the exact viewpoint of the Loose Change Videos and related CT's! (In all seriousness, I see this a coincidence, a side effect of radicalist philosophy, and those CT's are nothing more than a few paranoids and their basement-dwelling beardo followers, but hey, CT's are fun!) And I ask you, which is more likely and possible: Simple things with complicated effects, or complicated things with complicated effects to create increasingly complex illusions of simple things with complicated effects? You decide. Postulate plurality at your own risk! |
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You first, gaggy. There's a list of questions for you. Answer them.
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This is only my second post, but I've been keeping up with this thread as much as possible.
What I find really laughable about the CTs is the fact that they want all of you to prove their claims didn't happen rather than proving that what they claim did happen. |
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May have missed it? This is the fifth time I've requested your response. The first was on this post.
Since you brought it up, what would say is your strongest argument that supports your hypothesis that the U.S. government is behind the attacks of 9/11? You were an imaging major or something at RIT, but you can't pull up a common video on the internet? Methinks my little fixéd star of foolishness doth protest too much in order to avoideth the issue!. You accused me of altering my image, but are you now saying that your stills weren't screenshots that you made from video? Then how do you know WHERE they came from and that THEY weren't photoshopped? sdited to fix grammar |
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The other thing you'll notice is none of their info comes from knowledgeable primary sources (unless they are misquoted, have quotes taken out of context, or bystanders saying stuff like, it sounded like an explosion). All their "evidence" is via video or still pictures. |
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It's a Christopher Bollyn article! From AFP! About Steven Jones! From geggy! That's FOUR of my all-time favorite things in one link!
geggy, please, please don't ever leave usl I will PAY you to stay here. You are more precious to me than a dumptruck full of gold beneath the World Trade Center. Have I told you lately that I love you? |
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Welcome back, WildCat. Were you there for Jazzfest?
You see that we have a new star here. He's really basking in the limelight. He may seem lunkheaded, but compared to some folks out there he's downright reasonable. I had an encounter today with a guy who claims that my "Loose Change" critique didn't debunk a single point in that video. Anyway, we saved a plate for you, so dig in before the vittles is cold. |
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Since geggery has left the land of rational posting, I'll throw something out that I haven't seen addressed as of yet:
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon...iveframes.html Thoughts? |
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Still here geggy? Man you're a persistant SOB. Why don't you forget all this CT nonsense and take care of your daughter!
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Do we have a way of determining the film speed of the security camera?
Can we determine from the visual data the altitude of the aircraft on each frame? Can anyone hook me up with these same frames on a sight that has not altered them? (the captioning I assume was applied by the hosting site) |
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I'm not sure how credible this source is yet, but it's interesting.
http://www.montalk.net/pentagon.html |
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Yep, the CTers love that because it doesn't show the plane hitting. They ignore the 100+ eyewitnesses who saw a 757 hit. Supposedly at the Moussaoui trial other videos were played that do show the whole thing. Maybe they'll be released some day.
I'd like to ask the CTers if they believe that the Revolutionary War happened. There are no videos or photos from 1776-1782, so where's the proof? |
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Would someone care to give me a synopsis of this thread from about the middle of it onward? I was following it but I have been too busy to keep up.
Or is it the same old: Conspiracy Theorist suggests evidence Sceptics show evidence wrong or otherwise insufficient Conspiracy Theorist suggests additional evidence more bizarre than the first Which is also shown to be wrong. That whole trite thing? -=-=-=- At any rate, it's nice to know that Delphi_Ote dislikes Linkin Park as much as I do. Perhaps we should start a thread on crappy music and why people like it. It's almost paranormal, that. |
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I wonder how long it will take before the Loosers start saying that it was a Zionist mini-nuke that took out the WTC and created the pools of molten metal - here's a fun little link to when Loosers and Holocaust deniers mate:
http://www.vialls.com/nuke/bali_nuke.htm Because, we all know, bloodthirsty Muslim terrorists would never do anything like blow up innocent people. |
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BTW I like the planting evidence in Loose Change 3 challenge. At the very least they might get paranoid enough to start double checking their information.
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Hey there it is...I'll try my best to answer...please believe, I wasn't ignoring your question. Just that I'm being bombarded with different questions that Im having hard times catching up.
The 1975 fire,on the 11th floor fire was burning intensely at 700 degrees census for three hour. The fire then subsequntly spread from 9th floor to the 19th floor (yes it did as the repport indicated it), although it was small, the firemen were able to control and subside it. Yet the trusses and the core did not fail despite the weight load of the upper 90 floors that it held up . On sept 11, the fire was not as intense as it was in 1975, could not have reached anywhere near the melting temp point of the steel. Because the plane was flying at a high speed as it flew through the building as if it was a pin, and the flames shot out of the building hence only causing local damages in the area of the impact. The damages made to the concrete slabs that were embedded in the trusses had to be at least minimal. The fire could have not affected the trusses whatsoever, because the fire was nowhere burning intensely. Fuel only evaporizes in in a short period of time. You saw that most of fuel bursted into flames during the impact, thus very little puddle of fuel on the floor in the area of the impactwere burning off. The burning of office supplies couldn't have been hot enough for the core columns to fail. And as for the still frames of the fake osama video came from this site, in which that piece o' crap site 911myths linked in their site...look into it and tell me if you think they were manipulated in any way.... http://www.september11news.com/OsamaEvidence.htm My strongest point would be the fact that sept 11 was staged as PSYOP (which I've already covered), the history of bush crime familia and the excess /obstructing of investigation/cover up which I've not gotten to yet. be prepared Now you owe me a link as to what started the fire in wtc7 AND a short video clip of your osama tape. I'll crap in my pants if you do. |
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A picture of flaming wreckage falling off the WTC was posted earlier. I know you didn't miss it, because you misidentified it as "molten steel."
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