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Old 26th June 2011, 08:24 PM   #1
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An idea for Truthers

Here is an idea for any and all 9/11 truthers our there. Apparently, the Port Authority of New York has been letting people around the country request pieces of WTC steel for use in their memorials. 9/11 Truthers - why not find some of these memorials and start swabbing them for explosives residue? Surely, the people who constructed the memorial will not mind you swabbing at them with q-tips for a while, and they can't have washed off EVERY molecule of residue from every single piece.

Surely a dab or two of incriminating evidence can still be found. Alternatively, why not join a cause and become involved in requesting your very own piece!? The evidence of CD must be here somewhere, and this is your chance to examine actual pieces of WTC steel to see! Come on people, let's get a movement going!

http://buffalo.ynn.com/content/polit...oric-artifact/
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Old 26th June 2011, 08:42 PM   #2
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Truthers consider any single ingredient of any type of explosive to be proof of demolition. If you could find an explosive with steel as an ingredient they would claim that it was used to build the WTC so they could blow it up sometime in the future.
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Old 26th June 2011, 08:43 PM   #3
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The gov't sanitized it.

Every inch of the thousands of pounds of metal.
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Old 26th June 2011, 09:02 PM   #4
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Where did the perps find all this "new" steel since it was all dustified and the rest got shipped to China?

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Old 26th June 2011, 09:12 PM   #5
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Fresh Kills? Never heard of it.

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The steel they are handing out is not from the WTC, it is from other sources. Hence no point in looking for traces of explosives.
A better test would be to add up all the bits and see that, if put end to end, it would be several miles long.
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Old 27th June 2011, 01:14 AM   #7
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The government will probably deactivate the nanothermite.
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Old 27th June 2011, 02:01 AM   #8
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The government will probably deactivate the nanothermite.
Remotely, using HAARP signals bounced off the hollow moon.
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Old 27th June 2011, 03:01 AM   #9
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into its own footprint at freefall speed.
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Old 27th June 2011, 03:09 AM   #10
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Doesn't matter as long as we can keep the wars going [/anti-twooferist]
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Old 27th June 2011, 03:57 AM   #11
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Old 27th June 2011, 06:43 AM   #12
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Doesn't matter as long as we can keep the wars going [/anti-twooferist]
One of these things is not like the other....
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Old 27th June 2011, 06:55 AM   #13
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here is truther logic

Swab steel, find rust (iron oxide)

Iron oxide is part of thermite

Therefore steel was coated with thermite , which when detonated brought building down
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Old 27th June 2011, 07:08 AM   #14
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Doesn't matter as long as we can keep the wars going [/anti-twooferist]
Can you name at least one of the anti-twooferist here at the JREF forums who advocates the continuation of the wars an bases this advocacy on 9/11? A link to a post by that anti-twooferist stating such a sentiment would be great, but a name would suffice, as we could then ask that person if you are correct in your assessment.

If you can't name even one anti-twooferist who holds this view, then we will know that you just made that stuff up.
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Old 27th June 2011, 07:26 AM   #15
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It's a novel concept,truthers having an idea.
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Old 27th June 2011, 08:26 AM   #16
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Despite being a great idea for anyone who truly DOES believe explosives brought down the Towers, Truthers will never actually do it, because...

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Slacktivism (sometimes slactivism or clicktivism) is a portmanteau formed out of the words slacker and activism. The word is usually considered a pejorative term that describes "feel-good" measures, in support of an issue or social cause, that have little or no practical effect other than to make the person doing it feel satisfaction. The acts tend to require minimal personal effort from the slacktivist.

Slacktivist activities include signing internet petitions, joining a community organization without contributing to the organization's efforts, wearing awareness ribbons or awareness bracelets with political messages, putting a ribbon magnet on a vehicle, writing blogs or statuses about issues on social networking sites, joining an issue-focused Facebook group, posting issue-oriented YouTube videos, or altering one's personal data or avatar on social network services.[citation needed] Though there isn't much behavioral research behind this activity, the general perception about these activities is not just to feel satisfaction about helping a cause but also helps in social-net-workers to present themselves as socially benefiting people.[citation needed]

The Joint United Nations Programme on HIV/AIDS derided slactivists as people "performing simple measures [who] are not truly engaged or devoted to making a change".[1]
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Old 27th June 2011, 11:25 AM   #17
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Truthers consider any single ingredient of any type of explosive to be proof of demolition. If you could find an explosive with steel as an ingredient they would claim that it was used to build the WTC so they could blow it up sometime in the future.
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I sense the ghost of Christophera.
Did he start using numbers, and is his current one between 6 and 8?
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Old 27th June 2011, 11:35 AM   #19
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Did he start using numbers, and is his current one between 6 and 8?
I should not post this linky...

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57426


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Originally Posted by Bell View Post
I should not post this linky...

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57426


Lemme guess....

The 11,100+ Posts between this:

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If a suppossed explantion does not explain the event, it is not the truth. No explanation that does not explain the event can be the truth.

So far no explanation in existence explains free fall and total pulverization of the towers appears to exist. Has anyone seen one?
and this:

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Silly folk - thread closed.



Is pretty much what I've read on here in the last, oh - 3 days thanks to C7, Death Dealer, FEMR, MT and Clayton?
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Originally Posted by NoahFence View Post
Lemme guess....

The 11,100+ Posts between this:

[...]

and this:

[...]

Is pretty much what I've read on here in the last, oh - 3 days thanks to C7, Death Dealer, FEMR, MT and Clayton?
The dude was convinced the World Trade Center had a concrete core (he saw it in a documentary once, which the powers that be made disappear) and that the core was pre-packed with explosives
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Did he start using numbers, and is his current one between 6 and 8?
No, we're all fairly certain that Christopher Brown and Christopher Sarns are different people. Christopher7 is just stubbornly wrong, rather than demonstrably insane.

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I should not post this linky...

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57426


I sorta miss that old thread. Every once in a while one of the subforum veterans would bump it, just to screw with everyone else.

I only posted once in that epic train wreck of a thread, but not until 2008. Man...

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No, we're all fairly certain that Christopher Brown and Christopher Sarns are different people. Christopher7 is just stubbornly wrong, rather than demonstrably insane.

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Where did the perps find all this "new" steel since it was all dustified and the rest got shipped to China?

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Please show where twoofers have said that all the steel was either "dustified" or shipped to China and, after that, provide details of how much steel was actually shipped to China (or recycled elsewhere) and how much was preserved.

Thank you.



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Can you name at least one of the anti-twooferist here at the JREF forums who advocates the continuation of the wars an bases this advocacy on 9/11? A link to a post by that anti-twooferist stating such a sentiment would be great, but a name would suffice, as we could then ask that person if you are correct in your assessment.

If you can't name even one anti-twooferist who holds this view, then we will know that you just made that stuff up.
The "they" I was referring to was those who have used 9/11 as propaganda fuel for their bombings, invasions and occupations of Muslim countries.

However, I don't want to spoil your fun on this humorous game thread so here are some anti-twooferist names for you to play with: Sword_Of_Truth, dtugg.
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The "they" I was referring to was those who have used 9/11 as propaganda fuel for their bombings, invasions and occupations of Muslim countries.

However, I don't want to spoil your fun on this humorous game thread so here are some anti-twooferist names for you to play with: Sword_Of_Truth, dtugg.
Thanks. I'll contact them privately.
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For the record, I wish that the US would pull out of Iraq. If I didn't it would have nothing to do with 9/11. But rather to stabilize a country that we messed up. But that isn't going to work, so we should just cut our losses and let Muslims kill each other if they like.

As for Afghanistan, we should bring back most of the troops, but leave some special forces, and continue bombings/cruise missile strikes/drone strikes. Those savages murdered 3,000 people on 9/11 and would kill many more if they had the ability. So yeah, we should be whacking as many terrorists and their allies as reasonably possible.
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For the record, I wish that the US would pull out of Iraq. If I didn't it would have nothing to do with 9/11. But rather to stabilize a country that we messed up. But that isn't going to work, so we should just cut our losses and let Muslims kill each other if they like.

As for Afghanistan, we should bring back most of the troops, but leave some special forces, and continue bombings/cruise missile strikes/drone strikes. Those savages murdered 3,000 people on 9/11 and would kill many more if they had the ability. So yeah, we should be whacking as many terrorists and their allies as reasonably possible.
Thanks. So your position on the war in Afghanistan hinges on the veracity of the story that it was 19 muslim terrorists, acting on behalf of an organisaton that was than mainly based in Afghanistan? If it turned out, to all our vast surprise, that it wasn't Bin Laden's men, would that change your opinion on the current (2011) involvement in Afghanistan?
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Thanks. So your position on the war in Afghanistan hinges on the veracity of the story that it was 19 muslim terrorists, acting on behalf of an organisaton that was than mainly based in Afghanistan?
No.

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If it turned out, to all our vast surprise, that it wasn't Bin Laden's men, would that change your opinion on the current (2011) involvement in Afghanistan?
Yeah, probably.
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Jihad claims to not be a twoofer, so I wonder what she thinks the USA should have done in response to 9/11?
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No.



Yeah, probably.
Uhm... that looks like a contradiction to me
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Uhm... that looks like a contradiction to me
You're right. For some reason (probably the beer) I thought you said Iraq instead of Afghanistan in the fist sentence. So change the "no" to a "yes". My apologies.
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You're right. For some reason (probably the beer) I thought you said Iraq instead of Afghanistan in the fist sentence. So change the "no" to a "yes". My apologies.
Oooohhh - I did write "Iraq" by mistake initially, but edited that 15 seconds later! The edit does not show beneath my post. You were damned quick to respond
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Oooohhh - I did write "Iraq" by mistake initially, but edited that 15 seconds later! The edit does not show beneath my post. You were damned quick to respond
Thought so! Guess I'm not that drunk!
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Here is an idea for any and all 9/11 truthers our there. Apparently, the Port Authority of New York has been letting people around the country request pieces of WTC steel for use in their memorials. 9/11 Truthers - why not find some of these memorials and start swabbing them for explosives residue? Surely, the people who constructed the memorial will not mind you swabbing at them with q-tips for a while, and they can't have washed off EVERY molecule of residue from every single piece.

Surely a dab or two of incriminating evidence can still be found. Alternatively, why not join a cause and become involved in requesting your very own piece!? The evidence of CD must be here somewhere, and this is your chance to examine actual pieces of WTC steel to see! Come on people, let's get a movement going!

http://buffalo.ynn.com/content/polit...oric-artifact/

Truthers will dismiss the steel samples as fakes
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Originally Posted by JihadJane View Post
However, I don't want to spoil your fun on this humorous game thread so here are some anti-twooferist names for you to play with: Sword_Of_Truth, dtugg.
Thanks. I'll contact them privately.
Oystein messaged me, I am copy and pasting my response to him below:
I supported the mission in Iraq for the reasons originally stated by the Bush administration. Numerous violations of UN resolutions, WMD violations, human rights abuses, support of terrorism (though they had nothing to do with 9/11) and so forth.

Things in Iraq have been quiet lately, both Saddams regime and Al-Qeada in Iraq (AQ entered Iraq after the fall of Saddams regime with the intent of destabilizing Iraq and hopefully setting up an AQ friendly regime in the wake of the eventual US departure) have been defeated. There may be a continuing US military presence in Iraq for the foreseeable future similar to the military presences in Germany and Japan for more than six decades, but these are a far cry from JihadJanes cartoonish visions of non-stop napalming of villages.

Afghanistan right now is more complicated. While the Taliban regime committed clear and deliberate acts of war in sheltering Al-Qeada and assisting the 9/11 attacks, I don't know that the Afghan mission is sustainable in its current form in light of recent revelations about Pakistan following the Bin Laden compound raid. The idea of having to deal with a nuclear armed nation that has at best been playing both sides frankly scares the @#$% outta me.

The best answer I can come up with is, I just don't know. This probably doesn't match JihadJanes simplistic stereotypes of people who don't share her worldview, but I don't think she will be able to tell the difference.

You may quote this in full in your response.
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