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26th March 2009, 01:29 AM | #1 |
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Richard Gage and the AFP
Found this while surfing around. Nothing of interest to anyone who already knows Gage's M.O. I, for one, was really surprised to read that Gage's projects "dot the California landscape" and that therm*te can be either an incendiary or a powerful, yet silent, explosive depending on the application. You really can have it both ways if, if you truly believe.
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26th March 2009, 01:43 AM | #2 |
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I just read the title, then I stopped as it is a blatant lie and an argument from authority.
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26th March 2009, 02:12 AM | #3 |
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I got about half way through the URL.
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26th March 2009, 05:44 AM | #4 |
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I looked at the URL and didn't bother.
Then I thought, "Foolmewunz, that's just down right bigoted of you to not click on a racist holocaust denying anti-semitic site that our professional architect for truth is written up on." So I took a look, and it's not a mere write up, folks. Why, it's an in-ter-view! Does Gage, a purportedly educated man, not know who he's being featured by? ETA: Great tags |
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26th March 2009, 05:56 AM | #5 |
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I think he knew very well what sort of critter he was talking too. But does that matter to a sociopath?
I have long held that the Bacon Factor from any twoofer to a full-stench Nazi is never more than three. Thank you for helping me prove that theory, Gage... Schmuck. |
26th March 2009, 06:16 AM | #6 |
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Originally Posted by AFP
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26th March 2009, 06:23 AM | #7 |
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Reading the article is like taking a trip back in a time machine.
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26th March 2009, 07:11 AM | #8 |
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However, it shows one or two things that are missing from your 9/11 Crackpot Index. I think it would be a good idea to add:
Jet fuel couldn't have melted the steel. Misrepresentation of own expertise. Freefall / near freefall speed. Pulverized concrete implies explosives [1]. Symmetrical collapse. Most of the debris was ejected [2]. Reports of explosions [1]. Missing debris. No crime scene investigation. Any reference to "a cave in Afghanistan". [1] Bonus points for mentioning either of these at the same time as claiming that thermite was the means of demolition. [2] Bonus points for mentioning this alongside a claim that the towers fell neatly into their own footprints. There's an instance of "The photos don't reveal the presence of..." implying absence, but I've chosen to claim this as an example of "After zooming we're seeing that PQRS". I got a score of 52 for Gage from this article alone. I think he deserves better. Dave |
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26th March 2009, 09:55 AM | #9 |
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26th March 2009, 10:02 AM | #10 |
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26th March 2009, 10:28 AM | #11 |
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WoWOW.... I forced my self to read it, and my god!!! MY GOD!!! It opened my eyes! I opened them reaaally wide........................
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26th March 2009, 12:39 PM | #12 |
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I can't help but to wonder if ae911troof is taking off in a new direction and Gage can add "holocaust denying anti-Semite Neo-Nazi scumbag to his credentials. ae911troof links to the AFP article so maybe we are seeing the first steps in that direction?
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26th March 2009, 02:36 PM | #13 |
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Available right this very minute on the AE911Truth website. It's not one that pops up in their "online" slideshow application -- the slideshow appears to end and then takes you back to the beginning before this slide appears. But there are about 11 full slides after the "end" of the presentation, and they are all about like this one. These also don't show up in the DVD presentations of the AE911Truth talk. It's like these are for those moments after the talk, when Gage is chatting with people off the record, and the subject comes up. He's got these slides available to do an impromptu "encore." And who do you think bin Laden means to cast as the uber-villains of 9/11 in that quote, so helpfully bolded by AE911Truth? |
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Boloboffin....
Nice find! Anyone have any idea if this open association with AFP might have anything to do with Gage's inability to raise the paltry few thousand bucks he needs to man his booth at Sfo? One of the things the LCF lads found out is that the real "loose" money for insane causes is quite often on the obscenely far right. If you chase the almighty dollar, pretty soon you find yourself having to decide whether to put up with their misogyny, hatred, and racism. (LCF ultimately chose to look the other way - I think only IVXX, if that was his name, even took a stand against the neo-nazis. Jason and his flankers just shut up and accepted the lame excuses and denials.) |
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27th March 2009, 12:19 AM | #16 |
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Yeah, it's coming back to me now. I also remember the Simon Wiesenthal Center listing of Gage's site as subversive and his subsequent hissy fit:
http://www.truthnews.us/?p=1578 After all that he's getting chummy with the AFP? I've got an email to write. |
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Is there a meeting at the Tree House today? Why are Gage's usual defenders not rushing into this thread with facts a-blazing?
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27th March 2009, 03:11 AM | #18 |
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Geeze, that little twit whines a lot. He should count himself lucky he stayed married as long as he did.
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27th March 2009, 09:17 AM | #19 |
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I e-mailed them asking if Gage was aware of who the Freedom Law School and the American Free Press was at the time he agreed to speak there (after explaining who they were) and if he still stands by his decision. I doubt I will receive a response, but you never know.
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I take that back. I got a partial response from some underling. I am trying to get an actual response from Gage before I do up a blog post on it, but this concluding line from the e-mail left me stunned:
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27th March 2009, 10:09 AM | #21 |
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I monitor the major "Truth" forums and if there's been any significant backlash against Gage for any of his numerous blunders, I haven't seen it (other than from the no-planers). Indeed, I would say there's more concern about Griffin because he continues to push the no big Boeing at the Pentagon theory in his talks.
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27th March 2009, 10:14 AM | #22 |
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A couple of clarifications:
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Exactly.
I've been lurking this forum for a bit now reading the older threads from 2007 and 2008 and decided to start posting since all my questions or ideas on this topic have kind of been overdone. Instead, the first thread I see links to some moron spewing out the SAME crappy arguments. I felt like I was still reading threads from 2007... |
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Yes, welcome KFC. As you may or may not know, this thread is required reading for new members. Enjoy and learn from the experience.
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Thanks AJ, I'm reading the thread now and taking notes.
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Bingo! I got a line of 5 across the top after reading a third of the way down. Where do I go to receive my truther bingo prize?
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Gage refuses to give anyone a second chance. If anyone lets slip a silly comment like "the building exploded like a control demolition" and then write to him saying that ae911tm are taking the comment completely out of context. Then Gage says, what people say the first time is the truth.
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By the way, the AE911Truth slide I reproduced up above is now no longer available at the site. The slideshow has changed again, and when it did, the hidden slides disappeared.
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Those slides were deleted? I wonder who gave the order to pull them?
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