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13th June 2009, 02:01 PM | #1 | |||||||||
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James W Von Brunn and 9/11 truth - cut from the same cloth?
While the 9/11 'truth' cult may try to distance itself from the terrible act of James W Von Brunn (Holocaust Museum Gunman), is it not fair to point out the fundamental shared beliefs between him and the 9/11 cult?
Here's a very short list. Please add to it. 1) Raging antisemitism within 9/11 truth. You will see endless references to Jewish members of the US administration under G W Bush; these include allegations that (Jewish) former Homeland Security Chief Michael Chertoff influenced the popular mechanics series debunking 9/11, thru his 'cousin' Ben Chertoff. It turns out that they did not know each other, but the shared Jewish name was too tempting to pass up. Here's a typical truther account http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=2872 2) Allegations the the Jewish owner of WTC7, and leaseholder for the towers, Larry Silverstein, deliberately ordered the New York Fire Department to demolish building 7. Thus linking him to the overarching 9/11 conspiracy theories and solidifying the antisemitic nature of the myths.
3) Mossad may have been behind the 9/11 attacks. One example (there are many more)
4) The New World Order and Illuminati, who are behind the 9/11 'false flag terrorism' of the 'inside job', are under the control of Jews. Personally, I have rarely encountered a 9/11 truther who doesn't believe in the NWO and Illuminati as well.
I think it's safe to say that not every truther is a holocaust denier or white supremacist. But it's also safe to say that antisemitism, in various forms, is at the heart of the 9/11 truth movement and it's allegations of 'inside job'. That James W Von Brunn also was a truther and believed in the Jewish 'inside job' is not really surprising. The main difference, it seems, between him and most truthers is that they are content to type their noxious vitriol on the internet, but have not taken the step of violent acting out. Is the 9/11 truth movement leading towards more violence towards Jews? That seems fairly obvious to me. |
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they all rage against the machine. Some of them think the machine is Jewish.
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13th June 2009, 02:52 PM | #3 |
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Silly alienentity, the 9/11 truth movement isn't anti-Jewish, they're just anti-Zionist. There's a huge difference.
Besides, Ashkenazi Jews aren't real Jews because they're descended from Kahzars, so it's not anti-Semitic to call the It's true. David Icke said so. |
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13th June 2009, 05:14 PM | #5 |
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13th June 2009, 05:38 PM | #6 |
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I just received this message on my youtube channel:
wearechangela (56 minutes ago) Traitors are being lined up. All members of NIST who put their report together are complicit in treason. They are 9-11 coverup criminals. Choose your side now. |
13th June 2009, 10:11 PM | #7 |
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As someone once said, it is false to say that all 9/11 Truthers are Anti Semites, but it is true that the "movement' has no problems with Anti Semites from the way they welcomed them into the ranks.
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I have said on several occasions that the police need to be looking hard at the We Are Change kids, and what do you know they seem to be paying attention. Luke is starting to get stopped when he walks into big events and I cannot believe that someone as distinctive as LA Troofer Jeremy Rothe-Kushel can get away with many more operations after this one:
I'm not sure that Jews in general are likely to be a target, but certainly "neocons" are probably targeted--note that von Brunn also wanted to go after the Weekly Standard. |
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I seriously think it is time for someone to start busting a few heads, just to get a court case going. Let these WACoffs tell the world that they write the rules at public gatherings and see what it gets them.
I see no difference between WAC and the Sturmabteilung, and suggest that they be dealt with the way that the Jews and labor unions should have dealt with the SA in Munich in the 1920s. It is quite one thing if they are "railroaded" in a court of law, and another yet if they are just stomped into the mud by average citizens. There is not quite the patina of honor if an old geezer puts a cane upside their heads for disrupting an event that people paid to attend as there is in being dragged away by minions of the state. |
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Has WeAreChange ever confronted anyone under age 60?
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well it was an attempt at humor, but with a ring of truth. It was a comment from Wearechangela, to alienentity, that stated they were gonna "line up the traitors" so he better choose his side.
I was just taking the thoughts of WAC a step further. They will round up the traitors and put them in detention camps. You see the humor is meant to try and point out to the NON BRAIN DEAD among us, that the WAC crowd, deep down, are no different then those they accuse...they simply do not have the power/authority. Actually, they might be worse, because WAC and the boys have no respect for the rule of law. TAM |
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Nazis, Freepers, anarcho-capitalists and twoofers are all the same at heart. They just have a difference of opinion on how the spoils of the revolution will be divided.
Actually, the twoofers are probably just useful idiots to the Nazis. Just look how many of the source documents of twooferism are from Nazi sources. The movement would have died a forlorn and unmourned death without Dylan and Bollyn. |
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So we shouldn't point out their errors, and wait for them to figure it out for themselves? Let their idiocy run around unchecked?
Maybe they will realize it's a giant load of crap, or maybe for lack of another voice they'll internalize it and walk into a crowded place with a rifle. |
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He was a member of MENSA, so yeah, the same cloth.
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So twoofers are Nazis now?
I used to have some respect for some of the JREF 911 hobbyists but it seems they have now lost the plot, become followers of Karl Rove and given up critical thinking altogether in favor of politically infantile fantasies about Nazis twoofers. etc. etc. No. Perhaps they could all take a break from hanging out with their twoofer pets on youtube and wherever and take some time to educate themselves about the realities of Nazism and its sponsors and international politics in general. |
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Oh no she didn't! *snap*
Gunman signed an online petition for a 'New Investigation' into 9/11, and in doing so expressed his defacto support for the 9/11 Truth Movement. Gunman also was a rabid proponent of conspiracy theories, most of which were anti-semitic. Boil down most 9/11 TM arguments down to the core of who actually gave it the go-ahead, and Jews are well represented. Are all twoofers Neo-Nazis? Certainly not. Are all Neo-Nazis twoofers? Probably not. Are the two groups 'reading the same bible' so to speak? Absolutely. I'd bet my whole paycheck that this man had at least one copy of "The Turner Diaries." It's a great read, filled to the brim with harrowing tales of violent revolution in America resulting in a new better world for everybody. Ask any hardcore truther what their endgame is, and you'll get the above with 'Neo-Cons,' 'NIST,' and 'NWO Shills' substituted in for 'everybody who isn't of pure European descent.' Pshaw! As if there IS such a thing! Alex Jones, Randall Terry, and the leaders of the White Supremacist movement are all preaching the same doctrine. Tacit and complete subjugation of the 'sheeple' to their worldview, by violence if necessary. It will not end with this incident. The extremist has never been so marginalized as he is now, with an African American President and a left-leaning Congress. His ideological troubles are amplified by a shaky economy, which he sees as a threat to his way of life. They're digging into their twisted beliefs harder than ever, and they're arming themselves to the teeth. Now is not the time for Law Enforcement agencies to be asleep at the wheel. Oh, and for the record - Karl Rove and most of the Bush Administration with exception of Gen. Colin Powell, Scott McClellan, and Robert Gates can get stuffed. |
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They both fall for moronic delusions based on hate. NAZIs and twoofers (as you put it) are both gullible. Do you support twofers (as you put it) with their idiotic failed ideas on 911? Are you saying NAZIs and twoofers (the term you used) are the same; or just fooled by dumb ideas?
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Full of people who think they know a whole lot more than they do all trying to get laid. And half of the ones I recall were conspiracy theorists. The only sane ones, surprisingly, were the BDSM folks in local Mensa, and I didn't need to be a member to hang around with them.
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Maybe I wasn't being completely honest because, despite everything, I do retain some respect for you and a few others.
I assume the "*snap* means the rest of your post isn't related to mine.
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