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Magnetic Thermite and Thermal Bonding
The difficulty with using a finite quantity of Thermite is to get it stick to the steel beams.
Steel is very magnetic. Neodymium Iron Boron magnets are flammable. A modified composition of Neodymium Iron Boron may burn hotter than standard thermite. The enthalpy of Nd and Oxygen is higher than for Al and Oxygen Thermite like compounds can be made magnetic. Magnets will usually stop working (Curie Temperature) before the thermite will ignite. Coating unmagnetized thermite pellets with a thermal bonding material, before magnetizing them, will allow them to mechanically bond to the steel. When the temperature exceeds the magnetic thermal limits (Curie Temperature), they will be bonded to the beam. After a time the jet fuel fire will reach ignition temperature for the material bonded to the steel. Upon ignition the steel beam will weaken or melt. Neodymium Iron Boron magnets are very expensive, but the cost would not have been an issue for this application. Were any strange elemental signatures detected in the dust? The building did not need to be specially prepared. Even with access to the site tightly controlled by the FBI, headed by Pasquale J. D'Amuro, too much evidence might have survived. Enough magnetic thermite could have been in the cargo hold of the planes to do the job. It could have been actually been listed in the cargo and ignored, or it was placed there by the ground crew in full knowledge of the results. A single security firm, owned by one country, but controlled by another, was in charge of security at all the departure points for 9-11 flights. The FBI's lack of thoroughness in all of this appears to be intentional. All the directly impacted beams had been removed by the time (a month later) when investigators were allowed on site. Why were they in such a hurry to recycle the metal and then argue for years about how to use the empty site? Statement of Anthony Weiner (He was stupid and he made a lot of enemies.) Thousands of families will enjoy dinner together tonight because even under the most unimaginable circumstances, these proud buildings stood tall for more than an hour. But for the families of those lost, today's report offers little consolation and leaves many questions unanswered. And, sadly, because of the early missteps in the investigation, some of the most vexing questions may never be unraveled. Thousands of tons of steel were carted away and recycled before any expert could examine what could have been telltale clues. Support trusses, fireproofing fragments, and even burned-out electrical switches that might have given scientists and engineers insight were lost forever even before an investigation was underway. Ladies and gentlemen, this amounts to what is, indeed, a crime scene investigation. Yet, not only is there no smoking gun, there wasn't even a weapon found. There weren't even fingerprints taken, and, if truth be told, there wasn't even a detective assigned to the case until very late in the process. THE INVESTIGATION OF THE WORLD TRADE CENTER COLLAPSE: FINDINGS, RECOMMENDATIONS, AND NEXT STEPS
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So the fact that no evidence of a crime exists proves that a crime was committed? Holy crap. When I woke up this morning there was no sign of forced entry in my house, nothing was missing, no police were called, and no fingerprints were taken.
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You'd still need more thermite than steel.
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The buildings survived the impacts. The fire is presumed to cause the collapse. By law the scene should have been left alone so that lessons could be learned about how the fire caused the building structure fail.
Building 7 had minor damage and a few fires when it collapsed in about 7 to 8 seconds into it's own footprint......? How it happened is covered by some reports filed under fiction. Why it had to collapse is easier to figure out. After a disaster like this, FEMA would normally run the show. FEMA was in building 7. Instead of FEMA Rudolph Giuliani would use NYC's Department of Design and Construction. They would contract out the removal of steel to be scrapped and smelted. These people hit the ground so fast that they had been removing material for a month before the engineering investigators were allowed on site. Actually the engineering investigators weren't allowed on site, they had to take what was given to them. By September 28, 2001, (17 Days) 130,000 tons (260 Million pounds) of debris had already been removed from the site, in what one journalist with unrestricted access to the site called, “the most aggressive possible schedule of demolition and debris removal.” rememberbuilding7.org/destruction-of-evidence/ They were such a hurry they didn't care about the workers health. Who was in charge for site security? Pasquale J. D'Amuro of the FBI. If those men who were dressed like FBI agents looking for the flight recorders were not FBI, whose fault was it? Mr. D'Amuro is Chairman & Chief Executive Officer of Giuliani Security & Safety LLC, a division of Giuliani Partners LLC dedicated to security consulting. Before joining Giuliani Security & Safety, Mr. D'Amuro served as the Assistant Director in Charge of the New York FBI Office, where...... New York City’s Department of Design and Construction (DDC) took control of the site as a result of Mayor Giuliani’s “back-room decision to scrap the organization charts, to finesse the city’s own Office of Emergency Management (OEM), and to allow the DDC to proceed”:[vi] Yes this probably makes Rudolph Giuliani and Pasquale J. D'Amuro TRAITORS |
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Deathdart I'm sure you honestly think you know what you're talking about. All I can say is be true to yourself, I suppose; sometimes that's all one has.
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This is nonsense.
This is false. Also: Others can chime in with the NYPD response. But the point is, you cannot make blanket assertions that are unsupported by fact. Sorry for the rough welcome to your first post, but if you're going to make a claim, be prepared for fact-based responses to it. |
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This, too, is false. Dr. Astaneh-Asl was documented as having left for New York on September 19th, and being able to start working within a week of his arrival.
And while the Bechtel Safety, Health, and Environment team was more taksed with monitoring occupational safety issues during the cleanup than investigating the wreckage, they too were allowed in within days. They're documented as arriving at Ground Zero on September 13th. I'd need to look up the WPI researcher (was it Barnett?) who alsow as onsite. I've never paid attention to his Ground Zero activities, only his later work on the sulfidization of the steel. But it would be interesting to see when he arrived. At any rate, the claim is false. |
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At 500MPH. Had a guy on facebook claim the same thing - that the explosives were in the plane, so I won't stundie your remark as no two people can be THAT stupid. |
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There's been worse. There was a guy - hey, old timers: Was it Christophera? - who tried to claim that the demolitions were installed during the towers construction.
I'm not saying that carrying a load of thermite in the cargo holds on a jetliner isn't right up there in terms of lunacy. I'm only saying that the cuckoo movement is holding true to form. |
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Indeed. My previous most stupid truther remark was similar to yours - but theyTM did it THAT DAY.
After the collapses of the twin towers they went into WTC 7 and rigged it to blow. |
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Where is the Data?
I have not found any data or photographs detailing what ended up in storage.
I have not found any data or photographs of the individual I-Beams (or any) that had been struck by the plane impacts. A thorough investigation would have had the entire affected floors laid out and recovered. You have seen that done with entire planes after crashes. There was no obvious driving need to smelt down everything immediately. Wait there is one good reason. Whatever they were needing to hide, they did an excellent job of hiding it. |
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What Data?
Where should I look for this data, is it with the holy grail?
The affected steel could have picked out if you were acting like an investigator or an archaeologist and not a thief in the night. It would have been difficult to reconstruct, but became impossible when you aren't given time or resources. Where is the catalog, with a photograph of each piece of steel, and its probable location in each of the buildings? Its been nearly 10 years where is it? You can have a warehouse of totally irrelevant steel that doesn't tell any story. What happened at the World Trade Center would cause the United States to spend a lot of lives and money. But there wasn't any time or money to document what happened at the World Trade Center? |
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Real Nice PDF difficult to copy from
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4 from Impact zone 26 near impact zone 55 Wide flange sections and built up box sections collected, 12 Columns 10% Relevant 2 Columns from fire floors WTC1 2 Columns from Impact Zone WTC2 23 Floor Truss Material Location not positively identified 0% Relevent 25 pieces of channel connecting material Location not positively identified 0% Relevant No Pieces could be unambiguously identified as being from WTC7. Zip NONE NADA Nada INPUT= Fire Caused Collapse How Convenient |
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An appeal to perfection is not falsification of the narrative, nor does it cast doubt on the conclusions drawn to date. It merely means that you have not studied what occurred during the investigation. You should start by getting a very broad grounding from Mark Roberts's page:
http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lie...lssortingopera You should then move on to the linked articles and resources on that page. One in particular that's merely cited and not linked is the book "Report From Ground Zero", and it would be good reading for you to gain some basic knowledge. Then, you can look through this forum for threads regarding the cleanup/recovery/recycling operations. After that, there are the two reports: The initial FEMA 403s (aka the Building Performance Study) and the big one, the NIST Report. Have at it. That's the base level of knowledge you need in order to be up to speed on this topic. It's not even all of it, but it's a start. |
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Oh for Chrissakes. Your request was this:
Building 7 was never hit by a jetliner. Because of that, you were referred to the reports on the main towers. If you want WTC 7 info, click through the links at the top of the NIST site to the WTC 7 final report. |
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Sorry, but what does the recovered steel have to do with the Henry-Couannier analysis/ existence of therm*te?
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Deathdart - I asked you what you mean to imply when you state that "enough thermite could be stored in the cargo bay of the aircraft"
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Nice Government PDF Copy Disabled in PDF 8
The VOLUNTEERS didn't start until Oct 2001. They were not at the impact site but at collection points. Still why all the hurry to destroy the steel?
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Nice Government PDF Copy Disabled in PDF 8
The VOLUNTEERS didn't start until Oct 2001. They were not at the impact site, but at collection points. Still why all the hurry to destroy the steel?
Examination of the steel would have shown if it had been acted upon by a corrosive or thermitic substance. Also the steel from around the impacts would have conclusively answered or debunked a lot of the 9-11 conspiracy, except no one wanted clear facts and analysis. Given the extraordinary effort to prevent any factually based story of ever existing, it was intentionally set up to be a war of Sophistry. The FBI agent in charge got into trouble for keeping fragments from the site. They were extremely anal about any materials from the site. They had a 3 week lead time to fast track anything really interesting. Why be worried about a random bit of pilfering. Random material could also be the smoking gun. So I am one of the dump truck drivers and I see something strange in my load (say a flight recorder) I can pull off somewhere and pull it out and look at it. NO all the trucks had GPS tracking so nothing was going to get “discovered”. Did any truck drivers have unusual accidents? Probably not, they were picked to keep their mouths shut. The true scope of why all this happened..... |
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Nice Government PDF Copy Disabled in PDF 8
The VOLUNTEERS didn't start until Oct 2001. They were not at the impact site but at collection points. Still why all the hurry to destroy the steel? Examination of the steel would have shown if it had been acted upon by a corrosive or a thermitic substance. Also the steel from around the impacts would have conclusively answered or debunked a lot of the 9-11 conspiracy, except no one in charge wanted clear facts and analysis. Given the extraordinary effort to prevent any factually based story of ever existing, it was intentionally set up to be a war of Sophistry. The FBI agent in charge got into trouble for keeping fragments from the site. They were extremely anal about any materials from the site. They had a 3 week lead time to fast track anything really interesting. Why be worried about a random bit of pilfering. Random material could also be the smoking gun. So I am one of the dump truck drivers and I see something strange in my load (say a flight recorder) I can pull off somewhere and pull it out and look at it. NO all the trucks had GPS tracking so nothing was going to get “discovered”. Did any truck drivers have unusual accidents? Probably not, they were picked to keep their mouths shut. The true scope of why all this happened..... |
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Are you grabbing your XXXXXXX passport and getting out of Dodge?
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