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Old 31st October 2019, 05:28 AM   #81
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Originally Posted by Information Analyst View Post
How sexist.
how not seeing the point of excessive force, equal opportunity accountability
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Old 31st October 2019, 06:28 AM   #82
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Originally Posted by Nessie View Post
Do you mean the suspended officer who appears to have committed suicide?

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/new...g-train-nazis/

Or the death in custody where the prisoner went without food or water?

https://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/f...er-was-common/

No, neither of these, although that second one sounds fairly bad.

Someone was beaten up by police who were laughing and joking about his condition, and he died in hospital. I'll try to see if I can find an article. I'm obviously googling the wrong terms because there has been a lot of discussion about this and yet I can't bring up an article.
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Old 31st October 2019, 07:01 AM   #83
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The Sheku Bayoh case?
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Old 31st October 2019, 07:22 AM   #84
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Found it. The name was Allan Marshall and it was a death in custody and the people responsible were prison officers (at Saughton jail) not police officers which is probably why I didn't find it earlier. It happened last year.

https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1189512272630161409

Sheku Bayoh was also pretty bad but happened in 2015.
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Old 7th November 2019, 03:06 PM   #85
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An extremely rare event;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-50333081

"A police officer has been charged with the murder of retired footballer Dalian Atkinson who died after being tasered.

The ex-Aston Villa striker, 48, was restrained by police officers at his father's house in Telford, Shropshire, on 15 August 2016.

A second police officer, also from the West Mercia Police force, has been charged with assault causing actual bodily harm."
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Old 8th November 2019, 03:15 AM   #86
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CPS guidelines regarding murder;

https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidanc...d-manslaughter

"The intent for murder is an intention to kill or cause grievous bodily harm (GBH). Foresight is no more than evidence from which the jury may draw the inference of intent, c.f. R v Woollin [1999] 1 Cr App R 8 (HOL). The necessary intention exists if the defendant feels sure that death, or serious bodily harm, is a virtual certainty as a result of the defendant's actions and that the defendant appreciated that this was the case - R v Matthews (Darren John) [2003] EWCA Crim 192."

There is a lot of debate amongst UK police officers as to how this is murder and whether or not to keep taser. I think the answer is above and something took place whereby the officer who tasered the footballer knew that there was a "virtual certainty" he would come to serious harm or die.

The footballer apparently had health issues and he was with family when the incident happened. Maybe concerns about his health were relayed to the police, but they tasered him anyway.
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Old 8th November 2019, 03:22 AM   #87
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Few details of this until it goes to court but it does seem very unusual, one wonders what prompted the decision to prosecute for murder.
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Guardian story from the time
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...on-taser-death

Within days the IPCC had issued 2 officers with gross misconduct notices. Witnesses reported him being kicked by police as he lay on the ground.
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Old 11th November 2019, 12:46 PM   #89
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A police officer sent to prison for 14 weeks for kicking a youth in the face, whilst the youth was cuffed, on the ground and not resisting, is now being subject to a misconduct hearing. I suspect that is so he loses his pension contributions.
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I guess this might be a topic for a new thread, but taking someone's pension because of some misconduct seems to me to be absolutely outrageous. It is a punishment far and above what any court would impose, to be reduced to penury in one's old age, and it affects not just the person who has done wrong but their family also, especially their spouse.

It also means that authorities can have a huge hold over someone which can be used to silence them or otherwise manipulate. I recall a colleague of mine once saying that the then Chief Veterinary Officer (a civil servant) was unable to break the government line at the time of the Foot and Mouth crisis because he was near retirement age and if he stepped out of line he could be sacked (no big deal) and would lose his pension (an enormous deal).

Surely accrued pension should be sacrosanct no matter what someone has done? If contributions have been into a private pension fund then they would be untouchable anyway. Why should someone (and their spouse and family) lose a huge amount of money and be reduced to beggary in their old age just because they happen to be in an occupational pension scheme rather than a private one when they transgress?

(If this might be something people want to discuss for more than a couple of posts we could ask for the thread to be split.)
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I find this hard to understand;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...-fife-50365383

"The family of a Fife man who died in police custody said they felt "betrayed" after being told that no-one will be prosecuted over his death.
Sheku Bayoh never regained consciousness after being restrained by officers in a Kirkcaldy street in 2015.

The 31-year-old, who had taken the drugs MDMA and Flakka, was found to have suffered 23 separate injuries.

His family said CCTV and phone footage cast doubt on claims made by officers about events leading up to his death.
They have described the decision not to prosecute the officers as a "betrayal of justice" and are now calling for a public inquiry.
The Crown Office said the decision not to prosecute had been taken after a "thorough review" of all the available evidence."

There is clear evidence that the forced used to arrest Bayou contributed to his death. That should surely be enough to charge the police officers concerned. A police officer who kicks a youth on the ground goes to prison for use of excessive force. But 23 injuries and a death is somehow not excessive???
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You find it hard to understand? Really?
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You find it hard to understand? Really?
Yes. In particular the injuries consistent with positional asphyxia. Apparently the cause of death was "sudden death in a man intoxicatedů[drugs] whilst under restraint." One of the officers who admits to lying on Bayoh for "a maximum of 30 seconds" weighed 24 stone. That is easily enough to suffocate him.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-46591551
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I thought you meant you were surprised by the COPFS deciding not to prosecute. I'm not.
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Yes. In particular the injuries consistent with positional asphyxia. Apparently the cause of death was "sudden death in a man intoxicatedů[drugs] whilst under restraint." One of the officers who admits to lying on Bayoh for "a maximum of 30 seconds" weighed 24 stone. That is easily enough to suffocate him.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-46591551
WTF?!
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