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Old 8th November 2019, 08:59 PM   #41
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Humans lean toward capitalism as a way to advance oneself. We would do it if barter was the only way and there was no coin of the realm.

What we can do is not be destructive in our efforts to better our lot.. Clearcutting when selective harvesting will do, using what we need and not getting a years supply of whatever material in a scarring manner or reuse of materials already in our waste piles instead of mining for more.

Add in switching to renewable energy sources as we can and there should be more than enough jobs out there both high and low tech fields. Just do it in a sensible transition from where ee are to where we could be.

The key to getting people to recycle aggressively is put a cash value on the materials. Jobs would transfer from mining ores to reprocessing existing materials. Not all of course but a good portion, enough to make the difference over time.
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Old 10th November 2019, 12:14 AM   #42
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
I read these threads and sometimes it is like some people actually wan't businesses to make a loss, or at least not make a profit and have to sack workers causing poverty.


Maybe I have the wrong end of the stick and if so I apologise

But it is like every now and again people forget how a basic economy works.

Small businesses start. Hire people. Those people have a wage
I want harmful businesses to change AND profit so that everyone can prosper.

e.g. McDonald's started selling healthier choices years ago.

Transitions. That word again. Incremental systems changes.

I need to look into more about fossil fuel companies and their changes.

I know Origin Energy here are doing more about renewables.

And I saw Rio had a big thing on their website about working with local native animal & vegetation conservation groups.

I'm looking out for stuff like that.

Fossil Fuel companies and managed funds (and their investors) are dead scared they'll be left with what's known as "stranded assets".

So they need to divest of non-renewable resource depletion gradually but systematically, so as not to create share price volatility above and beyond the normal (so as not to go out of business).

It's rather cool.
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