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Old 11th October 2011, 01:25 PM   #1
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Saudi Ambassador attack...thwarted

Didn't see a thread on it yet.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/11...ran/?hpt=hp_t1

Interesting stuff. Apparently there was a planned attack against the Saudi Ambassador in America (which is why I posted here, and not in the other forum ) but was thwarted by DEA and CIA. Iran denies it and says it's a U.S. fabrication.
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Old 11th October 2011, 01:26 PM   #2
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Originally Posted by Lowpro View Post
Iran denies it and says it's a U.S. fabrication.
That goes without saying.
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Yea I just wanted to throw in the Cliffs Notes because some people don't want to read the CNN blog. Plus I myself haven't read all of it so I'm going through more sources while I can before I gotta leave
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9/11 CTists claim it's a false flag op while Dick Cheney has given George Bush the credit.
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YA know, I looked in the CT section first before looking here just because I assumed I'd see a "false flag saudi ambassador" thread.
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I heard it on the news a while ago. I was kind of chuckling that the State Department was saying it was potentially an "act of war" against three countries had they killed this man on US soil. The three were US, Israel, and Saudi Arabia.

Yet when we do it, it's perfectly fine.

(i missed why they included Israel)
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The IRGC-Quds Force have spent years training insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan to effectively kill and injure U.S. and host nation troops. Now they are sending sleeper agents into America in order to assassinate people.

Time for a cruise missile barrage.

An interesting note if true: the guy was apparently looking for a Mexican drug cartel member to carry out his dirty work, but was directed to a DEA agent. Maybe the pile of AKs we sent down there bred a little loyalty.
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Old 11th October 2011, 02:21 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by MelonyR View Post
I heard it on the news a while ago. I was kind of chuckling that the State Department was saying it was potentially an "act of war" against three countries had they killed this man on US soil. The three were US, Israel, and Saudi Arabia.

Yet when we do it, it's perfectly fine.

(i missed why they included Israel)
I don't know if I understand you. Are you comparing the targeting of this diplomat to the targeting of Bin Laden?

As for Israel, the original stories I heard said that the agents were targeting both the Saudi ambassador and the Israeli embassy. Not sure if that's still the case.

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Originally Posted by MelonyR View Post
I heard it on the news a while ago. I was kind of chuckling that the State Department was saying it was potentially an "act of war" against three countries had they killed this man on US soil. The three were US, Israel, and Saudi Arabia.

Yet when we do it, it's perfectly fine.

(i missed why they included Israel)
When has the US targeted politicians and or ambassadors?
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Old 11th October 2011, 03:23 PM   #10
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Originally Posted by mikedenk View Post

An interesting note if true: the guy was apparently looking for a Mexican drug cartel member to carry out his dirty work, but was directed to a DEA agent. Maybe the pile of AKs we sent down there bred a little loyalty.
More likely the cartels aren't moronically stupid, and knew if they played in this it would come back to hurt them 1000 fold. Or the DEA people intercepted it first so the cartels never even got the offer. The AKs weren't supposed to get that far, weren't bribes, and thus couldn't have bought any loyalty.
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Originally Posted by Pardalis View Post
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Iran denies it and says it's a U.S. fabrication.
That goes without saying.
Remember the moral of the story of the little Iranian who cried "Wolf"

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Old 11th October 2011, 05:44 PM   #12
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Originally Posted by MelonyR View Post
I heard it on the news a while ago. I was kind of chuckling that the State Department was saying it was potentially an "act of war" against three countries had they killed this man on US soil. The three were US, Israel, and Saudi Arabia.

Yet when we do it, it's perfectly fine.
I don't know if I understand you either. When nations do things to each other, there is no "perfectly fine". There's only "we're going to do what we're going to do" and "if you don't like it, do something about it".

Most of the time, nations choose to do something about it, just most of the time nations don't choose war. The US tends to avoid being at war, by giving other nations better options than going to war. But it's not really up to the US, whether other nations prefer war. So the US pushes its interests as far as it can, and exploits its leverage as much as possible, and treads carefully when it has to (which is probably a damn sight more often than it looks like, and than you might think).

But by the same token, it's not really up to Iran, whether the US decides to let this slide, use it for leverage in negotiations, or take it as an act of war and respond accordingly. The best Iran can do is offer counter-incentives, to balance their provocation.

ETA: tl;dr -- just because the US is sometimes aggressive towards other nations, that doesn't entitle other nations to a free bowl of "agression towards the US and its allies".

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Old 11th October 2011, 06:19 PM   #13
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When has the US targeted politicians and or ambassadors?
Well there was Omar Torrijos.. Or is that still CT?

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False flag operation, to give Obama an excuse to start another war, just so he can get re-elected on the motto "Don't change horses in the middle of a war"?

No, that is too superficial. Besides, they busted the perp.

How about the DEA busting a terrorist, just to attain a higher profile? Anti-Terror is where the big budgets are these day...

So, DEA agent? terrorism bust? Entrapment thread starting in 3, 2, 1....
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Try reading the indictment. 21 pages. I did. Got the link from a friend.

Doesn't pop up on a cursory Google, however. Need to find the link.
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Old 11th October 2011, 10:55 PM   #16
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Originally Posted by Darth Rotor View Post
Try reading the indictment. 21 pages
You're not going to get people to read an indictment by saying it's 21 pages long =\
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Try reading the indictment. 21 pages. I did. Got the link from a friend.

Doesn't pop up on a cursory Google, however. Need to find the link.
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/im....pdf?hpt=hp_t1

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Originally Posted by MelonyR View Post
I heard it on the news a while ago. I was kind of chuckling that the State Department was saying it was potentially an "act of war" against three countries had they killed this man on US soil. The three were US, Israel, and Saudi Arabia.

Yet when we do it, it's perfectly fine.

(i missed why they included Israel)
Maybe it was a slip of the tongue: "Israel's so gonna get you now! We can't stop 'em! We tried playing good cop but...oops!"
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Maybe it was a slip of the tongue: "Israel's so gonna get you now! We can't stop 'em! We tried playing good cop but...oops!"
Part of it was a plot to blow up the Israeli embassy in the US.
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Even though the attack was to have been on US soil, the main target was the Saudi ambassador. It will be interesting to see what course the Saudis want to take. Arabs vs. Persians How wide is the Straits of Hormuz?

ETA: About 30 - 33 miles (49 -54 km).
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Even though the attack was to have been on US soil, the main target was the Saudi ambassador. It will be interesting to see what course the Saudis want to take. Arabs vs. Persians How wide is the Straits of Hormuz?
This wide:
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All of the analysts I listen to indicate that Iran is much more divided than we'd think; with the President and his cronies often at odds with the Clerical powers, and the military also separate to a large degree from the more-fanatical "revolutionary guard".... And so forth.
It's possible that this plot (if true, and to date the evidence looks pretty compelling) may not have originated as a "state" action but rather from one of the disparate groups within Iranian society....
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All of the analysts I listen to indicate that Iran is much more divided than we'd think; with the President and his cronies often at odds with the Clerical powers, and the military also separate to a large degree from the more-fanatical "revolutionary guard".... And so forth.
It's possible that this plot (if true, and to date the evidence looks pretty compelling) may not have originated as a "state" action but rather from one of the disparate groups within Iranian society....
One of the disparate groups within Iranian society, or one of the various factions vying for power and position within the Iranian government apparatus?

I mean, the problem with Iran-Contra wasn't that Colonel North represented a rogue faction within American society, but that he represented a rogue faction within the US government.

If this is indeed a rogue faction within the Iranian government, it will be instructive to see how other factions deal with it.
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http://web.caller.com/2011/pdf/arbab...indictment.pdf

The indictment.

What to do about it? Well, the guy they have in custody isn't quite as vaulable as his handler, who is apparently in Iran and linked to the Al Quds folks. I'd say the FBI /court approach is enough to do.

The attempted assassination of the Saudi ambassador ... we'll see what the King chooses to do about that. He's got resources.
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And we can hope the King's response is sufficient to keep the Obama-ites from doing anything too silly.
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I assume that Iran is planning to arrest an American or 2 now under trumped-up charges, in an attempt to have a prisoner swap.
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So, DEA agent? terrorism bust? Entrapment thread starting in 3, 2, 1....


I saw this and thought of you....
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This whole thing is so incredibly bizarre. The Iranian government as a whole wouldn't have any obvious reason to kill this guy, and I can't even imagine that some rogue faction has an obvious reason to kill this guy. So I'm thinking there is more to "this guy" than meets the eye - like, he's a double agent or something. Iran has no reason to give Israel & Saudi Arabia something to agree on. And, sorry, but since when do ambassadors matter? Of course they matter as human beings, murder is wrong, etc.


But really ... why???
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Try reading the indictment. 21 pages. I did. Got the link from a friend.

Doesn't pop up on a cursory Google, however. Need to find the link.
Executive summary, and linkie? Please!

ETA: Found it. At least this administration and its covert services spent the time capturing the (bleep) rather than spending all their time telling us to be afraid of him.

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Even though the attack was to have been on US soil, the main target was the Saudi ambassador. It will be interesting to see what course the Saudis want to take. Arabs vs. Persians How wide is the Straits of Hormuz?

ETA: About 30 - 33 miles (49 -54 km).
About 52 seconds in an F15?
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And we can hope the King's response is sufficient to keep the Obama-ites from doing anything too silly.
You mean keep the Obama-haters from calling him "weak and stupid" when he doesn't launch a nuclear weapon at Iran?
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Today in the German Parliament, one Christian Democrat, a known pro-US lobbyist, had an outburst and whined "we shouldn't pretend that this is all made up!" only to get informed by a Social Democrat that there's massive doubt about this story even in Washington itself. Chancelloress doesn't say a word, Foreign Minister said some short platitudes, nobody else wants to comment.

In other word, Yankistanis: nobody buys this laughable and highly dangerous fairytale. Your credibility around the globe is profoundly ruined after many years of lies and lies and more lies of the corrupt criminals (on top of "both" parties) who "lead" you into self-destruction.
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I assume that Iran is planning to arrest an American or 2 now under trumped-up charges, in an attempt to have a prisoner swap.
They let the last 2 buy their way out. Wonder if we can sell this guy back to them?
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And we can hope the King's response is sufficient to keep the Obama-ites from doing anything too silly.
Remind me what an Obama-ite is again?
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They let the last 2 buy their way out. Wonder if we can sell this guy back to them?
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This whole thing is so incredibly bizarre. The Iranian government as a whole wouldn't have any obvious reason to kill this guy, and I can't even imagine that some rogue faction has an obvious reason to kill this guy. So I'm thinking there is more to "this guy" than meets the eye - like, he's a double agent or something. Iran has no reason to give Israel & Saudi Arabia something to agree on. And, sorry, but since when do ambassadors matter? Of course they matter as human beings, murder is wrong, etc.


But really ... why???
A rogue faction might want to get the dominant faction into trouble by making the US angry at said dominant faction.
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In other word, Yankistanis: nobody buys this laughable and highly dangerous fairytale.
That's exactly what you say about 9/11!

In the real world, among responsible adults, the Iranians plotted to kill the Saudi ambassador and blow up the Israeli embassy.

It' not like Iran hasn't done such things elsewhere.
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Old 13th October 2011, 03:55 PM   #39
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That our government would float a narrative like this without any apparent regard for the basic rules of fiction-writing – create believable characters who do believable things – is Washington’s way of showing contempt for the Iranians, the American people, and anyone else who stands in the way of their war agenda. They don’t care if it’s not believable. They think Americans will swallow anything, that we’re too busy trying to survive day-to-day, these days, to inquire much further than the “official” account. And of course our brain-dead media, which is reduced to a chiefly stenographic role, isn’t going to ask any inconvenient questions.
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Old 13th October 2011, 04:04 PM   #40
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Originally Posted by WildCat View Post
That's exactly what you say about 9/11!

In the real world, among responsible adults, the Iranians plotted to kill the Saudi ambassador and blow up the Israeli embassy.

It' not like Iran hasn't done such things elsewhere.
It's not like Israel hasn’t planted fake stories in the media in the past and came up with schemes to get the US to attack her enemy at the moment.
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