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Old 25th April 2013, 05:52 AM   #41
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Originally Posted by SezMe View Post
So our use of blunt weapons in declared wars justifies use of drones while we're not at war? I completely reject this line of reasoning.
We are at war, have you been asleep the last dozen years?

As the saying goes, you are entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts.
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Old 25th April 2013, 07:11 AM   #42
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Originally Posted by WildCat View Post
Just like Yamamoto, though we shot his plane down instead of bombing him. Same difference.
The difference is he was a top official in the military of a country that was at war with the United States not someone who we determine is a leader of some opposition organization in a "war on terror".
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Old 25th April 2013, 07:27 AM   #43
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Originally Posted by WildCat View Post
Just like Yamamoto, though we shot his plane down instead of bombing him. Same difference.
And WOW is that a cool story.
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Old 25th April 2013, 07:49 AM   #44
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Originally Posted by eeyore1954 View Post
The difference is he was a top official in the military of a country that was at war with the United States not someone who we determine is a leader of some opposition organization in a "war on terror".
What is your suggestion as to how to deal with a non-state actor declaring war and launching attacks on the US?
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Old 25th April 2013, 08:48 AM   #45
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I hate it when such discussions devolve into semantics but I'm gonna do it anyway. Can you define "enemies"? It seems to be the heart of the matter.
Me too. That's why it isn't going to happen here.

Nevermind.
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Old 25th April 2013, 09:57 AM   #46
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Originally Posted by Polaris View Post
What is your suggestion as to how to deal with a non-state actor declaring war and launching attacks on the US?
Pirates. We make war on pirates without the need for them to be a State.
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Old 25th April 2013, 10:32 AM   #47
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Originally Posted by BenBurch View Post
Pirates. We make war on pirates without the need for them to be a State.
Are you suggesting we send pirates after them? Or, are you suggesting that they are like pirates, and, therefore we should send their natural enemy (ninjas) after them?
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Old 25th April 2013, 10:42 AM   #48
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Originally Posted by ZirconBlue View Post
Are you suggesting we send pirates after them? Or, are you suggesting that they are like pirates, and, therefore we should send their natural enemy (ninjas) after them?
The latter. Only the Ninjas have modernized.
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Old 25th April 2013, 11:32 AM   #49
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The suspect himself credited Jesus Christ for his release.
Jesus is back?
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Old 25th April 2013, 12:38 PM   #50
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Jesus is back?
Just like Elvis, he's never really been dead anyway.
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Old 25th April 2013, 01:41 PM   #51
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Originally Posted by eeyore1954 View Post
The difference is he was a top official in the military of a country that was at war with the United States not someone who we determine is a leader of some opposition organization in a "war on terror".
I think you are transferring the problems of an ill defined "War on Terror" status onto the usage of drones. The war on terror can be ill advised and wrong, and drones could also be the right (or least inhumane, maybe?) solution for waging warfare.
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Old 25th April 2013, 03:27 PM   #52
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Compare/contrast the number of civilians killed in a drone strike to the number killed when we sent in troops to arrest a warlord in Somalia in 1993.

With a drone strike you don't have to fight your way through hostile territory to reach your target, which has likely fled the area by then anyway.

Or maybe you think ignoring the people who wage war on us is an option?
It's not an option. It's a necessity if we're going to be pacifists.

But that's the easy part. The hard part is convincing [everyone] else to become pacifists before they kill us and take all our stuff. In a world which will not fight, he who has a million-man army and six rudimentary nukes rules supreme over the decomposing stacks of dead pacifists.
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Old 25th April 2013, 03:32 PM   #53
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Originally Posted by eeyore1954 View Post
The difference is he was a top official in the military of a country that was at war with the United States not someone who we determine is a leader of some opposition organization in a "war on terror".
That is a distinction without a difference. Yamamoto was also determined to be a leader in an opposition organization. There was no massive investigation convened to belabor the question of his enmity. He was not captured alive. He was not tried and convicted in court. He was simply shot down when the opportunity presented itself.
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Jesus is back?
He is risen, and he is pissed.

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