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Old 15th July 2015, 11:15 AM   #201
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Originally Posted by 16.5 View Post
face palm. Look at those goalposts move!

1. Hillary discloses existence of previously unknown documents
2. Hillary belatedly turns over a portion of documents to State
3. State turns over what it claims are the Benghazi documents in its possession from the Hillary hoard in response to a Congressional Subpoena....
time passes
4. Through litigation in a FOIA dispute it is discovered that State did not turn over or otherwise disclose the existence of key emails relating to Benghazi.
5. State has not yet explained just what the **** it was thinking in burying those emails.

Seems to me that lying about the existence of documents is "wrongful."
Yes, State has explained exactly what the **** it was thinking in not disclosing those emails. As jhunter and I already pointed out:
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From the link:
So State is claiming that these discussions are exempt from disclosure, and the law allows such exemptions.
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yes, it is:
But exemptions from congressional subpoenas are a different matter.
...
State, however, is not claiming executive privilege in this case, but simply arguing that certain Benghazi-related documents constitute “important Executive Branch institutional interests” or should be withheld due to “executive branch confidentiality.” It has made such an argument during several Benghazi document productions, sources say.


Not sure where you think some goalposts moved ...
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Old 15th July 2015, 11:24 AM   #202
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Yes, State has explained exactly what the **** it was thinking in not disclosing those emails. As jhunter and I already pointed out:



Not sure where you think some goalposts moved ...
Sigh, that is the filing in the FOIA lawsuit raising FOIA exceptions.

the Congressional Subpoena was not issued under FOIA.

As I noted, the State Department has not responded to TWO requests from the Select Committee why State has failed to disclose documents.
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Old 15th July 2015, 11:49 AM   #203
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Originally Posted by 16.5 View Post
face palm. Look at those goalposts move!

1. Hillary discloses existence of previously unknown documents
2. Hillary belatedly turns over a portion of documents to State
3. State turns over what it claims are the Benghazi documents in its possession from the Hillary hoard in response to a Congressional Subpoena....
time passes
4. Through litigation in a FOIA dispute it is discovered that State did not turn over or otherwise disclose the existence of key emails relating to Benghazi.
5. State has not yet explained just what the **** it was thinking in burying those emails.

Seems to me that lying about the existence of documents is "wrongful."
Just to followup on 16.5's points, if, in response to a subpoena, you wish to withhold documents based upon a claim of privilege, you still need to report the existence of those documents. In fact, you must provide a detailed list of withheld documents, and a precise claim of privilege must be cited for each document. Apparently, the State Department did not do this.
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Old 15th July 2015, 11:57 AM   #204
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Originally Posted by sunmaster14 View Post
Just to followup on 16.5's points, if, in response to a subpoena, you wish to withhold documents based upon a claim of privilege, you still need to report the existence of those documents. In fact, you must provide a detailed list of withheld documents, and a precise claim of privilege must be cited for each document. Apparently, the State Department did not do this.
In fact the explicit instructions that accompany the subpoena do require a Privilege Log.
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Old 23rd July 2015, 02:34 PM   #205
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Elderly Vet Gets Manhandled for Protesting Benghazi Fiasco

The headline says it all.

Elderly Vet gets what for from Obama supporters

Yikes.
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Old 23rd July 2015, 02:50 PM   #206
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Originally Posted by 16.5 View Post
The headline says it all.

Elderly Vet gets what for from Obama supporters

Yikes.
LOL

That sure is a disclosure on Benghazi.
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Old 23rd July 2015, 03:02 PM   #207
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Benghazi Committee to give the State Department a jump start

Washington, DC—The Benghazi Select Committee today announced Jon Finer has been called to appear for a hearing on Wednesday, July 29th on repeated State Department compliance failures.

Chairman Gowdy emphasized the reason for specifically calling Mr. Finer, saying, “Secretary Kerry early in the Committee’s infancy designated his Chief of Staff as the point person on this matter."

More details:

“The State Department has used every excuse to avoid complying with fundamental requests for documents,” Gowdy said. “Our Committee has tried asking personally. Our Committee has tried letter requests. Our Committee has tried public hearings with other agency employees. Our Committee has tried subpoenas. While the tactics tried have varied, the results have not. Our Committee is not in possession of all documents needed to do the work assigned to us. Even in the month of July, three separate transcribed interviews were postponed because the State Department could not produce the emails - even from a four month window - before the scheduled interviews took place.”

Gowdy also pointed out additional compliance issues recently brought to light, saying “It has become apparent, since I last spoke with Mr. Finer, that emails directly related to the Committee's jurisdiction, in fact unarguably related the Committee's jurisdiction, have been withheld by the Department.”

Kudos to the Benghazi Committee!
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Old 23rd July 2015, 04:16 PM   #208
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The "Benghazi" committee stopped caring about Benghazi long ago. Take their cue.
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Old 23rd July 2015, 05:38 PM   #209
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Where does this fascination come from anyway? You and I both know that it's not going to make a lick of difference.
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That's a new disclosure?
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LOL

That sure is a disclosure on Benghazi.
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It's almost like a conspiracy!
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I highlighted where we're going wrong here.

You don't matter. Nothing happening WRT Benghazi(!!!11!) or Cowbrew Homeboy servers or reporter herding is going to make a

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The "Benghazi" committee stopped caring about Benghazi long ago. Take their cue.
Yeah, I will just leave these posts here.
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Old 24th July 2015, 03:49 AM   #210
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And...?
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Old 24th July 2015, 03:53 AM   #211
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Originally Posted by NoahFence View Post
And...?
The irony of 16.5 trying to make "NoahFence" the subject of this thread is amusing.
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Old 24th July 2015, 04:01 AM   #212
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It stopped being about Benghazi a while ago. It's all about hillary.
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State Department Slow Walk of Documents Confirmed

eta: I am sorry, I meant to post this in a existing thread. I have already reported it and requested that it be merged.

Buried in the blizzard of articles about the bombshell disclosure that the inspector generals of the State Department and the Intelligence Service have requested that the Justice Department to begin a criminal investigation is the following disclosure:

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Some State Department officials said they believe that many senior officials did not initially take the House committee seriously, which slowed document production and created an appearance of stonewalling.

State Department officials also said that Mr. Kerry is concerned about the toll the criticism has had on the department and has urged his deputies to comply with the requests quickly.
NOW Kerry urges action? Avid readers of this thread know that i have been pointing out the slow walk for months.
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Old 24th July 2015, 07:34 AM   #214
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I am sorry, I meant to post this in a existing thread. I have already reported it and requested that it be merged.




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Old 24th July 2015, 07:40 AM   #215
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Kerry should have gone with the "If you want us to do these extra tasks, give us more money" ploy instead.
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"I'm sorry, but Congress didn't give State a budget big enough to follow the law." ?
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Old 24th July 2015, 08:20 AM   #217
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"I'm sorry, but Congress didn't give State a budget big enough to follow the law." ?
State gets a Congressional Oversight Compliance budget. It's not tiny.
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Old 24th July 2015, 11:29 AM   #218
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State gets a Congressional Oversight Compliance budget. It's not tiny.
BUT is it sufficient for State to comply with republicker's ongoing **** concerns that basically are trying to wreck Hillary and others by time and money wasting processes because they can't stand having a Black president!!!!!
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Hillary to testify before Committee in October

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politic...nel-in-October

Headline says it all. No confirmation from Gowdy. Hard to believe that they would have her testify while she is refusing to turn over the server.

Have the Bookies opened a line on whether Hillary will take the Fifth?
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Old 25th July 2015, 09:04 AM   #220
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http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politic...nel-in-October

Headline says it all. No confirmation from Gowdy. Hard to believe that they would have her testify while she is refusing to turn over the server.

Have the Bookies opened a line on whether Hillary will take the Fifth?
I don't think you want this.
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I don't think you want this.
He most certainly does not want Clinton to testify publicly, for the same reason that Gowdy doesn't; public testimony makes out-of-context quote mining, spin, and distortion painfully obvious even to the most avid of readers.
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He most certainly does not want Clinton to testify publicly, for the same reason that Gowdy doesn't; public testimony makes out-of-context quote mining, spin, and distortion painfully obvious even to the most avid of readers.
"He"? Are you talking about me? I can speak for myself.

Of course I want her to answer questions in public and under oath.

That is because she sucks at it because she is a pathological liar.

Next time don't put words in my mouth

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Old 25th July 2015, 01:25 PM   #223
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"He"? Are you talking about me? I can speak for myself.

Of course I want her to answer questions in public and under oath.

That is because she sucks at it because she is a pathological liar.

Next time don't put words in my mouth
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The Benghazi committee is no longer interested in Benghazi. Only Hilliary. She will skewer those morons.

You people have paid millions of dollars and hundreds of man hours for this, and all you are going to get is maybe a sound byte that can be taken out of context, like "You didn't build that" and it's going to be fed to the idiot trolls until the election in next fall.

Nothing of substance will happen.

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By far the most boring scandal that I have ever seen in my life. NoahFence is right, this stopped being about Benghazi forever ago, and it's been about smearing Hillary since this new "committee" started.

If they have all of this stuff saying that she's guilty (just ask sunmaster, he can't stop talking about how he's proven she's committed a crime and is guilty ), why haven't they done anything about it? Why hasn't anyone arrested Hillary? Why has nothing been done?

I get it, the right wing is butthurt about the Benghazi thing. It's become pathetically, laughably, and absurdly clear that they will never drop this. If I were actually working on the committee, or was part of the oversight for the committees, I would be outrageously pissed at the gross incompetence being paraded around with this new investigation. Here 16.5 and sunmaster have taken the time to PROVE beyond a reasonable doubt that she is guilty, and that she NEEDS to be in prison for her actions, yet their poster boys are doing jack **** about it. They are making no legal moves at all. They've just been pushing rope for the last year.
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BUT is it sufficient for State to comply with republicker's ongoing **** concerns that basically are trying to wreck Hillary and others by time and money wasting processes because they can't stand having a Black president!!!!!
I'm not sure that Republican leadership can't stand Obama because he is black as much as they attempt to undermine him and disparage him because he is a Democrat. They aren't above using the fact that he is black and has an Islamic father to appeal to the racist and semi-racist part of their base. But I think, Republican leadership is far too practical and cynical to dislike Obama because he is black, if he was a Republican I think they'd be fine with him.
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By far the most boring scandal that I have ever seen in my life. NoahFence is right, this stopped being about Benghazi forever ago, and it's been about smearing Hillary since this new "committee" started.

If they have all of this stuff saying that she's guilty (just ask sunmaster, he can't stop talking about how he's proven she's committed a crime and is guilty ), why haven't they done anything about it? Why hasn't anyone arrested Hillary? Why has nothing been done?

I get it, the right wing is butthurt about the Benghazi thing. It's become pathetically, laughably, and absurdly clear that they will never drop this. If I were actually working on the committee, or was part of the oversight for the committees, I would be outrageously pissed at the gross incompetence being paraded around with this new investigation. Here 16.5 and sunmaster have taken the time to PROVE beyond a reasonable doubt that she is guilty, and that she NEEDS to be in prison for her actions, yet their poster boys are doing jack **** about it. They are making no legal moves at all. They've just been pushing rope for the last year.
It is boring, yet here I am posting in this bizarro thread like a moth drawn to a light bulb. In most scandals, the people promoting the scandals have some fairly specific charges against the alleged baddies. This scandal is breaking new ground. All the specific charges have been shown to be conspiracy theory BS or routine errors that have long ago been admitted to, so what is left is a scandal where the promoters can't even verbalize specific ideas about what the evil Obama administration did wrong beyond what has been admitted to.

What the Republicans have resorted to is attempting to tie a real scandal about Clinton's emails to the fake Benghazi scandal. Is that approach working for them? There are two drivers for Republicans on this: 1. fire up the base with tales of evil Democrats and 2. Win a few moderates over to their side. Item 1 is clearly working. Item 2 might be a wash. They're gaining a few moderates at the same time they're losing a few moderates because they see the Republicans as childish partisans over all this.
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Since Mr. Gowdy isn't falling lock-step in line with the republican narrative; some will claim the 'R' after his name stands for "Rino"

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“We haven’t seen any evidence of a crime,” Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.), the chair of the House Select Committee on Benghazi, said Sunday about Hillary Clinton’s private email use during her service as Secretary of State.
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Since Mr. Gowdy isn't falling lock-step in line with the republican narrative; some will claim the 'R' after his name stands for "Rino"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/0...n_6872498.html
March 15, 2015. Thanks, timely.
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Old 27th July 2015, 08:36 AM   #229
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The first set of subpoenaed documents shows that Hillary Clinton withheld documents regarding the benghazi attack.

Unbelievable.

I hope she withdraws from the race rather than being indicted for tampering with evidence.

Wow, what a day.
<1 month later> How is that indictment coming ?
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<1 month later> How is that indictment coming ?
Great timing!!!

There have been some developments, and because they are significantly broader than Benghazi, they are being discussed in the Clinton Emails thread.

protip: take a gander at my sig.
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Originally Posted by 16.5 View Post
Great timing!!!

There have been some developments, and because they are significantly broader than Benghazi, they are being discussed in the Clinton Emails thread.

protip: take a gander at my sig.
In other words, no developments on the indictment in question, but Republicans are now focused on a new phony scandal.
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Washington, DC—The Benghazi Select Committee today announced Jon Finer has been called to appear for a hearing on Wednesday, July 29th on repeated State Department compliance failures.

Chairman Gowdy emphasized the reason for specifically calling Mr. Finer, saying, “Secretary Kerry early in the Committee’s infancy designated his Chief of Staff as the point person on this matter."

More details:

“The State Department has used every excuse to avoid complying with fundamental requests for documents,” Gowdy said. “Our Committee has tried asking personally. Our Committee has tried letter requests. Our Committee has tried public hearings with other agency employees. Our Committee has tried subpoenas. While the tactics tried have varied, the results have not. Our Committee is not in possession of all documents needed to do the work assigned to us. Even in the month of July, three separate transcribed interviews were postponed because the State Department could not produce the emails - even from a four month window - before the scheduled interviews took place.”

Gowdy also pointed out additional compliance issues recently brought to light, saying “It has become apparent, since I last spoke with Mr. Finer, that emails directly related to the Committee's jurisdiction, in fact unarguably related the Committee's jurisdiction, have been withheld by the Department.”

Kudos to the Benghazi Committee!
And it worked, State suddenly finds another 5000 heretofore unknown documents relating to Benghazi.

and the DNC persist in claiming that this was totally investigated previously. Scout's honor!

Lets all hope the Select Committee keeps up the great work!
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I'm not sure that Republican leadership can't stand Obama because he is black as much as they attempt to undermine him and disparage him because he is a Democrat. They aren't above using the fact that he is black and has an Islamic father to appeal to the racist and semi-racist part of their base. But I think, Republican leadership is far too practical and cynical to dislike Obama because he is black, if he was a Republican I think they'd be fine with him.
Well, they do think that eight years with a demographically symbolic president is enough.




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OOh!!! A new disclosure!

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Benghazi!1!!11 gets the hollywood treatment. Hillary as a bad guy, just like avid readers already know.


Should be full of idiotic 'Murican bravado.
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Benghazi!1!!11 gets the hollywood treatment. Hillary as a bad guy, just like avid readers already know.


Should be full of idiotic 'Murican bravado.
Directed by Michael Bay. Oh my FSM
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Hillary will testify on October 22

As confirmed by the Select Committee.

Clinton used a home-brewed email server for work instead of a State.gov account as is required under government transparency rules.

Hey Committee, maybe you want to actually get that homebrew server first so we don't have to go through this again??
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Old 30th July 2015, 08:06 AM   #237
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As confirmed by the Select Committee.

Clinton used a home-brewed email server for work instead of a State.gov account as is required under government transparency rules.

Hey Committee, maybe you want to actually get that homebrew server first so we don't have to go through this again??
Who are you trying to kid?

We're going through this until either Hillary is behind bars, or the idiots in charge of this witch hunt have died from old age.
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Originally Posted by NoahFence View Post
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Should be full of idiotic 'Murican bravado.
Well, it seems to be an action film, so I doubt either Hillary or Obama will figure into it. Michael Bay must know that it would be pretty boring to watch Hillary deleting emails off of her homebrew server or watch Obama putting the finishing touches on his Las Vegas fundraising speech, so he'll probably just stick to stuff that had an effect on the men on the ground in Libya.
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Well, it seems to be an action film, so I doubt either Hillary or Obama will figure into it. Michael Bay must know that it would be pretty boring to watch Hillary deleting emails off of her homebrew server or watch Obama putting the finishing touches on his Las Vegas fundraising speech, so he'll probably just stick to stuff that had an effect on the men on the ground in Libya.
Or robots and explosions and overdone CGI.
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Originally Posted by sunmaster14 View Post
Well, it seems to be an action film, so I doubt either Hillary or Obama will figure into it. Michael Bay must know that it would be pretty boring to watch Hillary deleting emails off of her homebrew server or watch Obama putting the finishing touches on his Las Vegas fundraising speech, so he'll probably just stick to stuff that had an effect on the men on the ground in Libya.
I wonder who is going to play hero/whistleblower Greg Hicks who came under such personal attacks in the early days of this thread.
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