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Old 17th March 2017, 07:03 AM   #41
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Well it is obvious that you did not read the *********** article.
You would be amazed at how many articles many of us do not read for good reason - but in my earlier days I read much on it and made very logical distinctions and decisions based on such - as well as observing the actions and speech of many religious. I tend to avoid articles (etc.) that are essentially special pleading or arguments from credulity (and /or incredulity).............
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Old 17th March 2017, 07:06 AM   #42
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Oh hell yeah, there is no possible way in hell that the author of that piece you linked would not instantly judge me as horrible.

Which is obviously why that glurge is garbage.

Oh wait, I forgot to check my privilege.
Maybe you can take it on board as carry-on!!! How big is it???
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Old 17th March 2017, 09:40 AM   #43
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I know a ton of great Christians. I even love some of them. Most Christians are not a problem EXCEPT they are the only ones that can fix the problems of the far right's intrusion into our lives and politics. We (atheists) can not. We can point out the problems, explain our issues and make sure we are visible but we hold no power as atheists in the political arena. We are the enemy to some, an annoyance to others and understood by a few.

This doesn't depress me too much as the tide is slowly changing. Patience is our friend and (my opinion) being overly confrontational puts up too many walls. Who was more effective in obtaining civil rights? Martin Luther King or Malcolm X? Both confronted the problems but their styles were miles apart.

Believe me, I am not suggesting we shut up and take it but we need to be very aware of how we sound. Yeah, we shouldn't have to tippy toe around the religious all the time but if we focus on the long game, we will have to tippy toe...often.

For me, the long game is like much of Europe. No gives a flying rip what your religious beliefs are and it has zero influence or impact on the politics. That's my heaven.
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Old 17th March 2017, 09:51 AM   #44
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I live in Aberdeen. The first Episcopal Bishop in the colonies following the successful War of Independence was created about 200 yards from where I am standing now. The Archbishop of Canterbury had refused him recognition, but the Scottish Episcopal Church had the independence and the right to do it. All of which said this was NOT the Church of Scotland, which was and is Presbyterian. We don't even get Bishops in the House of Lords. Another reason for indyref2
Thank you for the correction!

As I said, it has been some time since I cared much about church history, but I rather liked the idea that the Scottish were willing to help out the rebellious colonies after the War.
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Old 17th March 2017, 04:21 PM   #45
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
EVERYWHERE, obviously.

People who don't think exactly like this guy are "horrible."

The First Universal Church of Check your Privilege.
Enjoy the vacation!! Florida is nice this time of year!!!!!!!!
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Old 19th March 2017, 11:44 AM   #46
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And, relax, fight the compulsion to hurry back!!!!! Work on your tan!!! Try some surfing and some surf and turf!!!
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Old 20th March 2017, 08:00 AM   #47
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I wonder if there is some regional influences on arthwollipot's experiences? When I lived in the South East, the horrible types were much more common than the kind arthwollipot describes in his first post.
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Old 20th March 2017, 09:11 AM   #48
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I wonder if there is some regional influences on arthwollipot's experiences? When I lived in the South East, the horrible types were much more common than the kind arthwollipot describes in his first post.
There certainly are regional differences. If you are comparing the American South East to Australia (iirc, that's where arthwollipot lives), you will find a whole lot more bible thumpers in the US.
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Old 20th March 2017, 02:29 PM   #49
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There certainly are regional differences. If you are comparing the American South East to Australia (iirc, that's where arthwollipot lives), you will find a whole lot more bible thumpers in the US.

True, we don't have anything like the Bible Belt in Australia. We have a couple of small blobs I suspect. One of these is in Gympie Queensland I think.
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Southern Baptists. if there is a more horrible form of Xtians, then I haven't seen them...yet. The whole Southern Baptists Religion was founded during the time of the American Civil War as a way to justify Slavery. Does that not suck...or what?

With such bad beginnings, it is no wonder that Southern Baptists are such rotten people. Every one of them.
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Old 21st March 2017, 12:55 PM   #51
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Southern Baptists. if there is a more horrible form of Xtians, then I haven't seen them...yet. The whole Southern Baptists Religion was founded during the time of the American Civil War as a way to justify Slavery. Does that not suck...or what?

With such bad beginnings, it is no wonder that Southern Baptists are such rotten people. Every one of them.
Is this really true? I honestly didn't know this! Is this what the Northern /Southern split was about? Wow
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Old 22nd March 2017, 12:04 AM   #52
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Southern Baptists. if there is a more horrible form of Xtians, then I haven't seen them...yet. The whole Southern Baptists Religion was founded during the time of the American Civil War as a way to justify Slavery. Does that not suck...or what?

With such bad beginnings, it is no wonder that Southern Baptists are such rotten people. Every one of them.
Hmm, this isn't exactly a ringing endorsement, is it? Where are all the nice Christians?
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@OP I'd rather encourage believers to see religious history as the (1) track record of humans attempting to codify morals/ethics, what has consistently (2) caused problems is when single interpretations of any particular persuasion go absolutist and swing clubs or swords, and (3) so the best thing is to drop it all and focus on becoming better people. Once the meme that there is a source for foundational fixed authority dies, maybe this will help people to stop attempting to use such nonsense in politics as well.

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