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Old 10th January 2017, 06:02 PM   #281
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Originally Posted by michaelsuede View Post
As for how global warming fits into all of this, I'm completely at a loss. I've never heard a climatologist reference engine heat as a driver of so-called global warming.
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Originally Posted by crescent View Post
I had two thoughts:

1: Distribute the weight across more wheels, kind of like tracked vehicles do. Maybe good for tracks that were built on poor footings or with rotten ties/sleepers.

2: Improve traction. Normally each wheel has one point of contact with the tracks. This way each drive wheel has two points of contact (one with each of the first-tier extra wheels) and each of the first-tier wheels has two-points of contact with the second-tier extra wheels (not sure what else to call them).

I guess in that respect I don't understand the Hollman Horror's websites criticism of the thing. It claims that more wheel-wheel interface would creat more slippage. I would think the opposite to be true - more surface area contact would reduce slippage.

I would guess that they were thinking along with one or both of those ideas, but were probably wrong. It would be overly complicated and top heavy.
Friction is proportional to the normal force between two surfaces. Distributing the load over more area decreases the force per unit bearing area and thus reduces friction. Good when you want smooth motion and less heat generation in say a ball bearing but bad for drive wheels to the pushing surface.
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Old 10th January 2017, 06:23 PM   #283
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Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
Here is a link to a paper, which shows that the functions describing the Hydrinos' orbital states cannot be used to describe the higher energy states (hydrogen). You would think that Mills could at least have made up equations that generalize to all states of Hydrogen (Hydrino all the way up to where Hydrogen is on the verge of ionizing), but he couldn't even do this. Personally I feel that it is more likely that the remarkable accuracy of measurement predictions by quantum theory over the last century compared to actual measurements means that it should not be discarded in favor of Mills replacement of it. A key quote from the paper:
"In this paper we have considered the theoretical foundations of the hydrino hypothesis,
both within the theoretical framework of CQM, in which hydrinos were
originally suggested, and within standard quantum mechanics. We found that
CQM is inconsistent and has several serious de ciencies. Amongst these are
the failure to reproduce the energy levels of the excited states of the hydrogen
atom, and the absence of Lorentz invariance.
"

http://www.esa.int/gsp/ACT/doc/PHY/A...ke-hydrino.pdf
Rathke's paper is ancient, and Mills responded to his criticisms a long time ago.

http://www.millsian.com/papers/Rathk...p012108Web.pdf
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Originally Posted by michaelsuede View Post
I'm not sure where you're getting your data from, but a 7 series will blow through way more than 25 mpg at peak power. I said a BMW 7 series revving its engine in neutral, so already you're grossly distorting my original claim.

Wiki to the rescue:

BMW 7 Series 760Li 6 L V12 2006 engine operates at 327 kW / 439 bhp.

So at peak load, that engine is roughly the equivalent of Mills generator.
Exactly, but revving in neutral is not peak load. Not even close. Neutral is zero external load and running an engine, even at the red line, in neutral will not generate anything like the engine's peak power output.

Now if you claimed that a Mills generator makes as much waste heat as a BMW series 7 running 24/7 at 180 - 200 mph then you'd be nearer the truth.

As it is, you're way, way off. As we have come to expect.
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Originally Posted by michaelsuede View Post
I'm not sure where you're getting your data from, but a 7 series will blow through way more than 25 mpg at peak power. I said a BMW 7 series revving its engine in neutral, so already you're grossly distorting my original claim.

Wiki to the rescue:

BMW 7 Series 760Li 6 L V12 2006 engine operates at 327 kW / 439 bhp.

So at peak load, that engine is roughly the equivalent of Mills generator.

As for how global warming fits into all of this, I'm completely at a loss. I've never heard a climatologist reference engine heat as a driver of so-called global warming.
You can get peak power for maybe a half second while revving in neutral. After that you'll either hit a limiter or your engine will blow up. Try it out sometime.
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...and the problem isn't global warming but simply the management of vast quantities of waste heat. And the objection that the so-called waste heat from the generator is the most easily accessible source of energy. Putting solar cells round a light bulb. Sheesh!
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Originally Posted by michaelsuede View Post
Rathke's paper is ancient, and Mills responded to his criticisms a long time ago.

http://www.millsian.com/papers/Rathk...p012108Web.pdf
Which Mills is right, the one that says this new substance is a gas that can be captured, or the one that says this new substance is dark matter?
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Originally Posted by michaelsuede View Post
As for how global warming fits into all of this, I'm completely at a loss. I've never heard a climatologist reference engine heat as a driver of so-called global warming.
Your ignorance is rather terrifying given the environmental dangers of the system you're promoting.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waste_heat

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Anthropogenic heat is a much smaller contributor to global warming than are greenhouse gases.[13] In 2005, although anthropogenic waste heat flux was significantly high in certain urban areas (and can be high regionally. For example, waste heat flux was +0.39 and +0.68 W/m2 for the continental United States and western Europe, respectively) globally it accounted for only 1% of the energy flux created by anthropogenic greenhouse gases. Global forcing from waste heat was 0.028 W/m2 in 2005. This statistic is predicted to rise as urban areas become more widespread.[14]
Of course you're taking about a power source that will belch out a LOT more waste heat than current electricity generation technologies AND spew potentially toxic gas into the environment.

Tell me, why are the idiots behind this hot, wet, abortion going for solar panels and not using some of the waste heat for power generation in steam turbines? There's something fishy in that decision.

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Originally Posted by michaelsuede View Post
I'm not sure where you're getting your data from, but a 7 series will blow through way more than 25 mpg at peak power. I said a BMW 7 series revving its engine in neutral, so already you're grossly distorting my original claim.

Wiki to the rescue:

BMW 7 Series 760Li 6 L V12 2006 engine operates at 327 kW / 439 bhp.

So at peak load, that engine is roughly the equivalent of Mills generator.

As for how global warming fits into all of this, I'm completely at a loss. I've never heard a climatologist reference engine heat as a driver of so-called global warming.
Of course revving the engine at neutral is not peak power either, is it?
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Old 10th January 2017, 07:38 PM   #290
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Originally Posted by bruto View Post
Of course revving the engine at neutral is not peak power either, is it?
I said the heat Mills generator produced was equivalent to a BMW revving its engines at neutral.

Then I proceeded to show that Mills generator was producing 250 kw of waste heat.

Then I showed the total kW of the BWM to be 327 kW, which is far above the 250 kW of waste heat produced by Mills reactor.

So yeah, I figure a BWM parked in neutral revving is engines is going to dump about as much heat as Mills generator - ball park.

The whole point of this exercise was to show that the world would not melt from every household running one of these generators because air is a great insulator. You can stand around an entire fleet of cars at idle and not roast to death.

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Originally Posted by michaelsuede View Post
I said the heat Mills generator produced was equivalent to a BMW revving its engines at idle.

Then I proceeded to show that Mills generator was producing 260 kw of waste heat.

Then I showed the total kW of the BWM to be 327 kW, which is far above the 260 kW of waste heat produced by Mills reactor.

So yeah, I figure a BWM parked in neutral revving is engines is going to dump about as much heat as Mills generator - ball park.

The whole point of this exercise was to show that the world would not melt from every household running one of these generators because air is a great insulator. You can stand around an entire fleet of cars at idle and not roast to death.
You can rev an engine or you can have an engine at idle. You cannot have both.

Mills generator was producing 260 kw of waste heat.
Where does that heat go?

the world would not melt

Strawman. Nobody made that claim.

air is a great insulator.

How do ovens work, then?
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*neutral

*And it's 250, not 260.

Ovens work by heat transference through convection, conduction and radiation.

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Originally Posted by michaelsuede View Post
I said the heat Mills generator produced was equivalent to a BMW revving its engines at neutral.

Then I proceeded to show that Mills generator was producing 250 kw of waste heat.

Then I showed the total kW of the BWM to be 327 kW, which is far above the 250 kW of waste heat produced by Mills reactor.

So yeah, I figure a BWM parked in neutral revving is engines is going to dump about as much heat as Mills generator - ball park.

The whole point of this exercise was to show that the world would not melt from every household running one of these generators because air is a great insulator. You can stand around an entire fleet of cars at idle and not roast to death.

So you reckon a BMW engine revving in neutral is ~70% of the peak output that engine can generate?? Do you not realise how ridiculous that is? I know its a tiny insignificant error compared to the much more grandiose and physics shattering errors the Mills engine implies, but still, its a good indication of how good (ie. poor) your grasp on the basic stuff of science is.
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Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle

Aside from the fact that Rathke uses CQM theory itself to show that hydrogen's excited states cannot be derived from it, the following statement is taken from Mills' rebuttal (which you linked to): "CQM gives closed-form physical solutions for the electron in atoms, the free electron, and excited states which match the observations. With these solutions, conjugate parameters can be
solved for the first time, and atomic theory is at last made predictive and intuitive." So CQM theory brushes aside the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle - the momentum and position of the electron can be perfectly predicted at the same time because of CQM. Apparently BLP has opted not to create an entire cottage industry around the ability of CQM to perfectly predict every atom in the universe (the rebuttal was from 2008 so there was plenty of time for this branch of BLP to blossom).
Anyway, as posted by numerous people, if the hydrino is real, BLP has not done any environmental studies on hydrino chemistry.

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Rathke's paper is ancient, and Mills responded to his criticisms a long time ago.

http://www.millsian.com/papers/Rathk...p012108Web.pdf

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The science aside, I must say I find the sociology of this kind of thing fascinating. A discovery and a machine that should be good for a Nobel prize at the very least, and a world changing fortune beyond anyone's wildest dreams, and what do we get? Chinglish patent gibberish, fuzzy videos, appeals for investment and thirty years of delays?

If those developments were real, they'd constitute good evidence for why they should be abandoned, because pretty clearly they make people act with singular stupidity.
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Originally Posted by michaelsuede View Post
The whole point of this exercise was to show that the world would not melt from every household running one of these generators because air is a great insulator. You can stand around an entire fleet of cars at idle and not roast to death.
I thought the whole point was to avoid tricky questions about physics, dark matter, and what the point of just not using a turbine was.
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Originally Posted by michaelsuede View Post
I said the heat Mills generator produced was equivalent to a BMW revving its engines at neutral.

Then I proceeded to show that Mills generator was producing 250 kw of waste heat.

Then I showed the total kW of the BWM to be 327 kW, which is far above the 250 kW of waste heat produced by Mills reactor.

So yeah, I figure a BWM parked in neutral revving is engines is going to dump about as much heat as Mills generator - ball park...

I recommend you try sometime to rev a car's engine up to the redline in neutral. Note in particular what a small throttle opening is required to hold the engine at high rpm with no load. Your ballpark guess is at odds with reality.
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Mills said he's going to make the generator housings look like European sports cars so people can stick them in their driveways without anyone noticing.
And another poster on this site is going to build a flying Star-of-David-shaped temple when he has established his New World Order.
Instead of worrying about whether to paint his temple blue or red, he should work on establishing his dystopia first.
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Why wouldn't that work? Anti-matter is quantum opposite to matter right? So if it's the opposite then an antimatter acid would change litmus paper to blue! What more proof would be needed?

(I think I am getting the hang of this scamology malarky.)
I dunno if the litmus paper would have time to change color, but certainly seeing half a city block vaporized would be proof enough for me (thinking about : no it would not have time - explosion is quicker)

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Originally Posted by michaelsuede View Post

Then I showed the total kW of the BWM to be 327 kW, which is far above the 250 kW of waste heat produced by Mills reactor.

So yeah, I figure a BWM parked in neutral revving is engines is going to dump about as much heat as Mills generator - ball park.
Rubbish. The notion that a car revving its engine in neutral is anywhere near its peak power output just shows how little you understand about physics and engineering.
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Originally Posted by michaelsuede View Post
I said the heat Mills generator produced was equivalent to a BMW revving its engines at neutral.

Then I proceeded to show that Mills generator was producing 250 kw of waste heat.

...snip...
Then why hasn't he undertaken the very simple experiments that would show his generator works as he claims?
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Originally Posted by michaelsuede View Post
They did that. It's called a bomb calorimetry test. Several these were done by different university professors who acted as validators. You can watch the video in the OP to see it being done yourself.
I have seen the video and it's the usual smoke and mirrors - the "test" is over complicated and with "black boxes". He literally could prove this beyond a shadow of doubt by a simple experiment run entirely by someone else. The reason or the way it works is totally irrelevant to all of this. His new physics may be entirely wrong (or right) but if it works it works.

If it produces heat with pretty much zero running costs he needed no further development to have it on the market or for him to dictate terms of licensing it to other companies and so on.

That has to lead to the question of why isn't his generator on the market now? Or 5 years ago or 10 years ago or 15 or 20 years ago?
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I'm not too concerned.

I think Mills will beat the timeline established by a fair margin actually.
So are you prepared to bet on it? If you don't want to risk your money, how about an avatar bet? I propose that, if a commercial product based on hydrino technology is not available by the 10th July 2018, you will for the following six months display an avatar containing the clearly legible words "I am a gullible idiot", and that if it is, I will for the following six months display an avatar containing the clearly legible words "I am an arrogant fool". Up for that?

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I have seen the video and it's the usual smoke and mirrors - the "test" is over complicated and with "black boxes". He literally could prove this beyond a shadow of doubt by a simple experiment run entirely by someone else. The reason or the way it works is totally irrelevant to all of this. His new physics may be entirely wrong (or right) but if it works it works.

If it produces heat with pretty much zero running costs he needed no further development to have it on the market or for him to dictate terms of licensing it to other companies and so on.

That has to lead to the question of why isn't his generator on the market now? Or 5 years ago or 10 years ago or 15 or 20 years ago?
This indeed. He claims to have had workung examples many years ago but keeps putting off releasing working examples to develop better models.
Has any company ever done this in the past?
Using this business model we wouldn't have laptops or airliners.
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This indeed. He claims to have had workung examples many years ago but keeps putting off releasing working examples to develop better models.
Has any company ever done this in the past?
Using this business model we wouldn't have laptops or airliners.
Other great technological or conceptual leaps have been hit upon by more than one discoverer. Delay meant you miss out on the glory and money.

And throw in international competition. Would the Chinese sit by?
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Except a BMW is a demonstrated generator of power?
Yes, and the BMW has a newfangled thing called gears, which makes peak power rarely necessary to get it's work done.
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Originally Posted by michaelsuede View Post
*neutral

*And it's 250, not 260.

Ovens work by heat transference through convection, conduction and radiation.
As do *EVERY* heat transfer whatsoever.

You did not answer the question.

Air may have a low thermal conductivity but it does heat with time. In fact if it did not , we would use radiators/heaters in winter.

At 250 kW (or 260 who cares it is an order of magnitude) the sucker would most probably dump far more in EM as in either other transfert, and that much would quite a spectacle to behold. Or be grilled with.

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And frankly if he REALLY had such an object, he could revolutionize the world of heating house overnight. He would not need "research" "tweaking" or whatnot. An object being able to generate so much energy, for nearly no money, would be an insta success.

Now ask yourself why he does not do that...
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.....At 250 kW (or 260 who cares it is an order of magnitude) the sucker would most probably dump far more in EM as in either other transfert, and that much would quite a spectacle to behold. Or be grilled with.
As I said before, you'd forget the silly bulb thingy, and use the heat to super-heat steam to run a turbine. (OK, I said use a Stirling engine or an old steam engine, but I was just making the point with an exaggeration).
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Originally Posted by michaelsuede View Post
*neutral

*And it's 250, not 260.

Ovens work by heat transference through convection, conduction and radiation.
Even neutral it is impossible to idle and rev at the same time.

250/260 big deal.

What is the MEDIUM for heat transfer in an oven?
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And frankly if he REALLY had such an object, he could revolutionize the world of heating house overnight. He would not need "research" "tweaking" or whatnot. An object being able to generate so much energy, for nearly no money, would be an insta success.

Now ask yourself why he does not do that...
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As I said before, you'd forget the silly bulb thingy, and use the heat to super-heat steam to run a turbine. (OK, I said use a Stirling engine or an old steam engine, but I was just making the point with an exaggeration).
He wouldn't NEED any backers or investors if he just sold them as heaters. One of those puppies could provide all the hot air and hot water anything short of a skyscraper could ever need. Home and water heating accounts for a HUGE percentage of the fossil fuel consumption on the planet.

Either it doesn't work or hydrinos are toxic and they're trying to cover that up while they work on containment technology. There are no other explanations for the lack of monetization of the current tech.
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Other great technological or conceptual leaps have been hit upon by more than one discoverer. Delay meant you miss out on the glory and money.

And throw in international competition. Would the Chinese sit by?


Yeah, this. Anyone who has seen the photos of air pollution in China recently knows that they're paying a huge environmental cost for their economic growth of the last several decades. Even Mills' old systems that were presumably ready for market in 2008/9 would eliminate China's needs for coal and oil, and clean up their air overnight.

So why hasn't China done that? Why hasn't any third world country done that? With a developing market for carbon credits and the like, converting your entire energy grid to something that emits no carbon at all would be a huge, no-strings-attached, infusion of hard cash into countries that desperately need it. So why haven't they even looked into this idea?

And there's not even the complication of patent infringement to worry about, as Mills has been denied patents on virtually all of his work in every major jurisdiction. If his various patent applications (which are almost all now publicly available) actually contain enough information to reproduce his work, then any country in the world with even a small number of educated scientists and engineers should be able to build any of these devices whenever they want.

So why has not even one country in all the world even tried that?
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Rathke's paper is ancient, and Mills responded to his criticisms a long time ago.

http://www.millsian.com/papers/Rathk...p012108Web.pdf
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I bet that "ancient" quality (yet another smooth snow job from you, it was written in 2005) doesn't make the text in red wrong. Have physics changed since then? What do YOU know for sure about it? Are solutions of the Schrödinger equation with n<1 square integrable now?
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I said the heat Mills generator produced was equivalent to a BMW revving its engines at idle.

Then I proceeded to show that Mills generator was producing 260 kw of waste heat.

Then I showed the total kW of the BWM to be 327 kW, which is far above the 260 kW of waste heat produced by Mills reactor.

So yeah, I figure a BWM parked in neutral revving is engines is going to dump about as much heat as Mills generator - ball park.

The whole point of this exercise was to show that the world would not melt from every household running one of these generators because air is a great insulator. You can stand around an entire fleet of cars at idle and not roast to death.
You can rev an engine or you can have an engine at idle. You cannot have both.

Mills generator was producing 260 kw of waste heat.
Where does that heat go?

the world would not melt

Strawman. Nobody made that claim.

air is a great insulator.

How do ovens work, then?
I thought michaelsuede had learnt his lesson of he being grossly unprepared to discuss his advocacy here, but he keeps coming with "he says - she says" arguments, with basic Dale Carnegie's and, over all, speaking unmistakeably Marketin'eese.

I bet it's the good o'le (insistency = paid advocacy) where dubious meV are replaced by tangible $.
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If it worked, this thing would be the ultimate boon for deep space and Mars and lunar surface missions. Massive amounts of power for VASIMR-type engines, no ionizing radiation, plenty of extra heat after running it through Stirling engines.

I wish it worked.
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So why hasn't China done that? Why hasn't any third world country done that? With a developing market for carbon credits and the like, converting your entire energy grid to something that emits no carbon at all would be a huge, no-strings-attached, infusion of hard cash into countries that desperately need it. So why haven't they even looked into this idea?

...

So why has not even one country in all the world even tried that?
Clearly, hydrinos are so toxic they're even WORSE than the pollution those nations face now. What does North Korea know about hydrinos that michaelsuede isn't telling us? This tech is so toxic that not even NORTH KOREA is willing to implement it. Even worse, hydrinos are apparently so bad NORTH KOREA is not only refusing to produce them but refusing to weaponize them. These things are so destructive a country who wants to nuke Japan is refusing to load a warhead with a canister of hydrino gas.
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A billion trillion years from now, people will still be discussing his theories and his invention.
While this would be less than the time scale for Hawking radiation evaporation of a large black hole, it is also 100 billion orders of magnitude greater than the age of the universe.

Gotta call hyperbole on this one says Captain Obvious.
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If it worked, this thing would be the ultimate boon for deep space and Mars and lunar surface missions. Massive amounts of power for VASIMR-type engines, no ionizing radiation, plenty of extra heat after running it through Stirling engines.

I wish it worked.
Indeed. In fact imagine a few of them powering a Mars colony. The waste heat would supply, or at least supplement, the heating system. It runs on hydrogen! You have two choices to ship the fuel (if required) either ship the safer but heavier compound, water, or pressurized container of much lighter, yet more dangerous, hydrogen. Nice options.

I too wish it works. But a wish and a couple bucks will buy me a coffee. As I said before I am from Missouri on this one.

The only question is: will this thread continue for the next 12 months?
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The only question is: will this thread continue for the next 12 months?
Yes, it will.

Then, we'll get a bank of excuses why the tech STILL hasn't been brought to market, probably focused on the solar panel manufacturers.
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Shouldn't take 12 months:

Originally Posted by michaelsuede View Post
I'm not too concerned.

I think Mills will beat the timeline established by a fair margin actually.
Excuses will need to start a fair margin before 12 months.
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