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Old 24th February 2017, 09:51 AM   #281
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That monster!
Meanwhile, there was the guy who said this...

"I like the challenge and tell the story of the coal miner's son. The coal miner gets black-ling disease, his son gets it, then his son. If I had been the son of a coal miner, I would have left the damn mines. But most people don't have the imagination, or whatever, to leave their mine. They don't have it." Playboy, 1990.

But Hillary is the one who doesn't have any respect for coal miners, right?
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Old 24th February 2017, 09:55 AM   #282
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Trumpcare-Ryancare to have small subsidies
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...package-235343
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And we are going right back to the Hillary/Obama progression of things once we get rid of Trump. The last Republican president this century. Face it, with population growth and more urban people, the future is more Sesame Street than Little House on The Prairie.
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Old 24th February 2017, 10:06 AM   #283
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Apparently Kellyanne Conway has been wearing out her welcome.
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Joe Scarborough was a guest Tuesday night on Colbert's “Late Show” and he seemed eager to explain the decision to ban President Trump's White House counselor from his show last week.

“It got to a point where Kellyanne would keep coming out and everything she said was disproven like five minutes later,” Scarborough said. News link
There are also news reports that Trump himself forbid her to appear on TV for seven days following the Bowling Green Massacre meltdown.

Scarborough and others have also said that Conway was on a lot of shows early in the Trump presidency because she was contacting the shows to get invited on. It's said she portrayed herself (privately to news show producers) as a Trump-White House insider. That she was "in the loop" and knew "the real deal." Now the news show producers are doubting that she is an insider. Or if she was at first, she no longer is.
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"I like the challenge and tell the story of the coal miner's son. The coal miner gets black-lung disease, his son gets it, then his son. If I had been the son of a coal miner, I would have left the damn mines. But most people don't have the imagination, or whatever, to leave their mine. They don't have it." Playboy, 1990.
The funny thing is, as I've said before, living in Trump's hometown I've been watching him and reading about him for thirty years. The above, that sounds like the real Donald Trump. The same man who once said he doesn't respect most people because, "they're not deserving of respect."

I've known men exactly like Trump, I guess we all have. Except, that is, for the people who bought his nonsense and helped elect him president. I still think of the lady I saw interviewed in New Hampshire prior to the primary. Her husband lost his job when a local plant moved away. Now he works two minimum wage jobs, seven days a week, to make ends meet. She blamed it all on illegal immigrants and said she was going to vote for Trump, that she was convinced he "understands people like us."

I still feel genuinely bad for that woman, I'm sure her and her husband are having a tough time. But privately, Trump probably laughs at people like that and thinks they're pathetic losers.
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Old 24th February 2017, 10:49 AM   #286
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Originally Posted by newyorkguy View Post
Apparently Kellyanne Conway has been wearing out her welcome.

There are also news reports that Trump himself forbid her to appear on TV for seven days following the Bowling Green Massacre meltdown.

Scarborough and others have also said that Conway was on a lot of shows early in the Trump presidency because she was contacting the shows to get invited on. It's said she portrayed herself (privately to news show producers) as a Trump-White House insider. That she was "in the loop" and knew "the real deal." Now the news show producers are doubting that she is an insider. Or if she was at first, she no longer is.
My understanding is that she's being punished for publicly contradicting him. She was stating that Flynn had "the full confidence" of the White House right about the same time he was resigning. I see a lot more likelihood of her being shamed for being off message than being shamed for making false statements that support Trump's view.
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Old 24th February 2017, 10:57 AM   #287
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Originally Posted by tyr_13 View Post
Woah, no, it does not. One need not be stupid to fall for a con. One need not be a bad person to fall for a con. Sure, those things can certainly be leveraged to make it easier on the con artist, but they aren't needed. It's one of the first things most critical thinking and anti-woo teachers like to hit on; believes in woo are not necessarily stupid. Thinking of them as simply stupid is far less effective and interesting than looking at how they were actually fooled.

Now, the reasons to be fooled by Trump certainly tend away from complimentary for those who buy into his brand of woowoo thinking, but the observation that they've been conned does not mean one is calling them stupid or evil.
You are correct in the general sense. It is my personal impression that the claims of Trump voters being conned has been used in these threads to heavily imply that those voters are stupid. I'm not going to bother scouting through all the posts, but I believe it's actually been said more than once.
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Old 24th February 2017, 10:59 AM   #288
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He still doesn't seem to understand that even though one side "won", he's supposed to be representing everyone.
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Originally Posted by 3point14 View Post
From afar, it was always pretty obvious that Donald was full of **** and, and this is important, he wasn't going to be able to/want to do all that he claimed.

Clinton's mistake was, apparently, not being as full of utter ******** as Donald.

I honestly find your view on this baffling. The current president is an international embarrassment and a potential danger to the whole world. This much was obvious to anyone watching the campaign.

It utterly escapes me how you can possibly draw any equivalence between the two.
I happen to agree.

That said, it doesn't discount the validity of different views and different concerns by voters throughout the campaign and election. That Trump is turning out to be worse than anyone expected doesn't turn back time, and it doesn't erase the impressions and value sets of people prior to his election.
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Old 24th February 2017, 11:02 AM   #290
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Originally Posted by 3point14 View Post
It does if their ranking is based on easily identifiable lies.
What, like the belief in a god?

Values aren't based on what Trump says. He says a lot of lies. Values are based on what the value-holder believes. It's not as easy to prove that a belief is a lie as you might think. If it were so easy, we'd have a world full of atheists and almost no theists of any flavor.
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Old 24th February 2017, 11:03 AM   #291
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As the owner of a weed farm in WA state, I've been whistling past the graveyard ever since election day. The graveyard just whistled back.

I'm guessing that Sessions is the driver here.
Or Pence. His Draconcian policy toward Pot in Indiana was a major reason he was in trouble with many in his own party.

I wonder if this surfacing is not Trump taking out a bit of "Impeachment Insurance":Trying to make himself look less extreme then Pence.
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Old 24th February 2017, 11:07 AM   #292
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I happen to agree.

That said, it doesn't discount the validity of different views and different concerns by voters throughout the campaign and election. That Trump is turning out to be worse than anyone expected doesn't turn back time, and it doesn't erase the impressions and value sets of people prior to his election.
I'm inclined to disagree with the specific portion I highlighted in your post. I think Trump is behaving very much like anti-Trump voters feared he would and his high approval rating among Republican voters indicates that the vast majority of them are well pleased and, in some cases, pleasantly surprised.
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Old 24th February 2017, 11:09 AM   #293
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What, like the belief in a god?


Yes. Exactly as useless in terms of rational assessment as a belief in a god, i.e. totally


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Values aren't based on what Trump says. He says a lot of lies. Values are based on what the value-holder believes. It's not as easy to prove that a belief is a lie as you might think. If it were so easy, we'd have a world full of atheists and almost no theists of any flavor.
These are not philosophical questions we're dealing with, this is not 'if a tree falls in a forest', these are easily checkable, real-world facts we're dealing with. There is no alternate reality in this instance. Trump lies, often and outrageously. There is no wriggle room here. Those who voted for him have to accept that they failed in any way to investigate the veracity of their chosen candidate and fell for a hatfull of easily identifiable lies. He was outrageous, they were credulous. And continue to be so.
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You are correct in the general sense. It is my personal impression that the claims of Trump voters being conned has been used in these threads to heavily imply that those voters are stupid. I'm not going to bother scouting through all the posts, but I believe it's actually been said more than once.
You don't have to be stupid to have been conned.

But now that the con has been exposed, yes you do have to be stupid to continue supporting him.
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Little enthusiasm in the GOP for the Great Pot Crackdown. I would not be surprised if this gets "walked back",or Trump privately tells Sessions and Pence to shut up about it.
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Little enthusiasm in the GOP for the Great Pot Crackdown. I would not be surprised if this gets "walked back",or Trump privately tells Sessions and Pence to shut up about it.
You mean Bannon tells Sessions and Pence to shut up.
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Old 24th February 2017, 11:27 AM   #297
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I am beginning to buy into the "The Pot Statetment was Impeachment insurance" theory.
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I just heard small snippets of Trump at CPAC today while in the car.

What stood out to me was that in his attack on the media, he said "They should not be allowed to print stories with anonymous sources."

Leading me immediately to question, "Who decides what the press is "allowed" to do?

Had scary and dark implications, unless I'm reading too much into it.
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I just heard small snippets of Trump at CPAC today while in the car.

What stood out to me was that in his attack on the media, he said "They should not be allowed to print stories with anonymous sources."

Leading me immediately to question, "Who decides what the press is "allowed" to do?

Had scary and dark implications, unless I'm reading too much into it.
That's the problem; we don't know if it's dark and serious or if it is just Trump's idiotic way of speaking.
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Apparently Kellyanne Conway has been wearing out her welcome.

There are also news reports that Trump himself forbid her to appear on TV for seven days following the Bowling Green Massacre meltdown.

Scarborough and others have also said that Conway was on a lot of shows early in the Trump presidency because she was contacting the shows to get invited on. It's said she portrayed herself (privately to news show producers) as a Trump-White House insider. That she was "in the loop" and knew "the real deal." Now the news show producers are doubting that she is an insider. Or if she was at first, she no longer is.
An insider, yes. A source of insider information? Not unless you call the programed mouthpiece a source of information.
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My understanding is that she's being punished [made a scapegoat] for publicly contradicting him. She was stating that Flynn had "the full confidence" of the White House right about the same time he was resigning. I see a lot more likelihood of her being shamed for being off message than being shamed for making false statements that support Trump's view.
ftfy

Pretty sure Conway did not make up her comments but was told that was the story to repeat. Spicer had the same message until it changed to the weasel out of it version.
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I happen to agree.

That said, it doesn't discount the validity of different views and different concerns by voters throughout the campaign and election. That Trump is turning out to be worse than anyone expected doesn't turn back time, and it doesn't erase the impressions and value sets of people prior to his election.
He isn't turning out worse than anyone expected. He isn't turning out worse than I expected. Plenty of people had him exactly right, the evidence was everywhere.
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What, like the belief in a god?

Values aren't based on what Trump says. He says a lot of lies. Values are based on what the value-holder believes. It's not as easy to prove that a belief is a lie as you might think. If it were so easy, we'd have a world full of atheists and almost no theists of any flavor.
People voted for a blundering mental patient with no redeeming qualities because they believed in a god? Wow.
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I just heard small snippets of Trump at CPAC today while in the car.

What stood out to me was that in his attack on the media, he said "They should not be allowed to print stories with anonymous sources."
That should make for some interesting reactions among the Putin-left.
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I just heard small snippets of Trump at CPAC today while in the car.

What stood out to me was that in his attack on the media, he said "They should not be allowed to print stories with anonymous sources."

Leading me immediately to question, "Who decides what the press is "allowed" to do?

Had scary and dark implications, unless I'm reading too much into it.
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That's the problem; we don't know if it's dark and serious or if it is just Trump's idiotic way of speaking.
In this case, I don't think ignorance or idiocy explains it. Promoting marketing messages is more like it, combined with the Bannon/Trump alt-right view that America, as the biggest military power in the world, with border walls, can be the white nationalist country those crazies want.

The marketing messages are clear and right in line with the GOP's coordinated talking points methodology. The protests at the town meetings, airports, etc all all paid events. Ludicrous but all they need show is one Democratic organizer involved and it reinforces the marketed message. Never mind that is how grassroots politics works.

The press went easier on Obama is the latest thing, repeated on Fox News this morning complete with stats. Never mind Trump is crazy and that is the real difference. Fake news, enemy of the people, anonymous sources, the people prevailed over the fake news... these no different from slogans such as "you deserve a break today" and "just do it".

Now we have the story rewrite attempt, the FBI came to Priebus to tell him the NYTs article was not consistent with the FBI's investigation, Priebus didn't seek them out.

If the press and the Democrats can't overcome this very effective sales job, we could be in big trouble. Especially since most GOP legislators have shown themselves to be more interested in holding power, even at the cost of the crazies driving the car. There are a few holdouts, let's hope they have more influence than it appears at the moment.

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Trump will prove to the world that the USA has the biggest penis on the planet.

"We will be substantially upgrading all of our military, all of our military. Offensive, defensive. Everything. Bigger and better and stronger than ever before. And hopefully we'll never have to use it. But nobody's going to mess with us, folks. Nobody."
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" . . . But nobody's going to mess with us, folks. Nobody."
Then why worry about them mooslims pouring in cuz they' ain't messin' with us! Hoo Rah!

What a dip ****.
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'It's a Russian flag!' Trickster strikes CPAC before Trump's speech

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"He was dressed like any one of us," said Tyler Dever, 20, a student at the University of South Florida in Tampa, who was wearing a suit. "He passed them to me and was like, 'Pass them down, pass them down.' "

Dever, caught up in the moment, passed them down, before someone sitting next to him said, "Oh, it's a Russian flag!" CPAC staff quickly recollected the flags.
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It may stem from the same attitude that I've heard my father express. After the Oklahoma City bombing, he said "Once we find out who did it, we should bomb their whole country flat."
Obviously, that would have been...problematic, but the idea may be that we respond to any attack with a retaliation a thousand times as damaging, and soon nobody will dare do anything to us. What could possibly go wrong?
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Trump will prove to the world that the USA has the biggest penis on the planet.

"We will be substantially upgrading all of our military, all of our military. Offensive, defensive. Everything. Bigger and better and stronger than ever before. And hopefully we'll never have to use it. But nobody's going to mess with us, folks. Nobody."
I am not against upgrading out military,but I don't trust this idiot to do a good job of it.
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It may stem from the same attitude that I've heard my father express. After the Oklahoma City bombing, he said "Once we find out who did it, we should bomb their whole country flat."
Obviously, that would have been...problematic, but the idea may be that we respond to any attack with a retaliation a thousand times as damaging, and soon nobody will dare do anything to us. What could possibly go wrong?
Seems to me there is a big difference between targeting the people responsible and bombing a country flat.but then I firmly believe that the two people who will get you into trouble every time are the mindless hawks and the mindless doves.....
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I am not against upgrading out military,but I don't trust this idiot to do a good job of it.
Big shiny gold tanks! And battleships with more guns!

And what's with the uniforms? They're awful. I'll have Melania design some new uniforms. Black is always classy. And maybe an armband of some kind and some shiny boots.
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Old 24th February 2017, 01:02 PM   #314
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Originally Posted by Argumemnon View Post
The Clown Car continues its road trip.
Unfortunately, we're in the trailer they're pulling behind it
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CNN, the LA Times, NY Times, Politico and the BBC were barred from a briefing!

http://www.wesh.com/article/cnn-othe...iefing/8976863

The fascism begins or at least isn't hidden anymore.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Seems to me there is a big difference between targeting the people responsible and bombing a country flat.but then I firmly believe that the two people who will get you into trouble every time are the mindless hawks and the mindless doves.....

Trump has already advocated assassinating the families of terrorists, so why not wipe out the entire town, city, or country where they live. Same tactic on a bigger scale, or should I say, a YUGER scale.
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Originally Posted by KatieG View Post
Unfortunately, we're in the trailer they're pulling behind it
Speak for yourself. I'm just in another vehicle on the same road.
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Trump seems to think he's got the wall funding

"We're building the wall," he said. "In fact it's going to start very soon. Way ahead of schedule. It's way, way, way ahead of schedule."
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump seems to think he's got the wall funding

"We're building the wall," he said. "In fact it's going to start very soon. Way ahead of schedule. It's way, way, way ahead of schedule."
He doesn't need funding. Remember he was elected because of his business experience and his experience is to just stiff the contractors.
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CNN, the LA Times, NY Times, Politico and the BBC were barred from a briefing!

http://www.wesh.com/article/cnn-othe...iefing/8976863

The fascism begins or at least isn't hidden anymore.
The President is triggered by criticism so he had to restrict press access in order to make the White House a safe space.
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