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Old 11th August 2013, 12:41 PM   #1
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Pray for us Saint Gilbert

No word yet on what he's going to be the patron saint of.

Pope blesses plans to make writer of Father Brown stories G.K. Chesterton a saint
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Author G. K. Chesterton, best known for his Father Brown stories, has been put on the path to sainthood – with the blessing of the Pope.

Just days before he was elected Pope in March, the then Archbishop of Buenos Aires, Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio, wrote to a Chesterton society in Argentina approving the wording of a private prayer calling for his canonisation.

The Pontiff is said to be a fan of the author, one of whose most admired books was a life of St Francis of Assisi – whose name the Pope adopted. ...
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Old 11th August 2013, 01:00 PM   #2
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What miracles did he manage to pull off, then? Isn't that a prerequisite?
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Old 11th August 2013, 01:20 PM   #3
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What miracles did he manage to pull off, then? Isn't that a prerequisite?
Only for canonisation. Under RCC rules he can be declared Venerable without evidence of miraculous intervention. Beatification or canonisation would require evidence of divine intervention or this requirement being waived.
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Old 11th August 2013, 02:28 PM   #4
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What miracles did he manage to pull off, then? Isn't that a prerequisite?
He turned BS into gold.
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Old 11th August 2013, 04:03 PM   #5
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Is this the start of commercialisation of sainthood?
Who might we expect on the list?

The blessed Michael Jackson?
Saint Teilhard de Chardin?
Mickey Mouse?
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Old 11th August 2013, 06:01 PM   #6
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MJ and Mickey were Protestants, but why not Teilhard de Chardin?

Didn't he disprove godless evolution or something?
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Old 12th August 2013, 04:19 AM   #7
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iSaint Steve of Apple?
McSaint Ronald McDonald?
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Old 12th August 2013, 06:05 AM   #8
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Tweet your support for the canonisation of a new patron saint of tablets, notebooks, and phones; sponsored by Samsung: holy reliable, venerable not vulnerable.
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Old 12th August 2013, 06:49 AM   #9
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Is that why someone wrote a Young GKC series borrowing from classical literature? I read the one where GKC fought the Martians in War of the Worlds with HG Wells.
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Old 12th August 2013, 08:05 AM   #10
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Originally Posted by Silly Green Monkey View Post
Is that why someone wrote a Young GKC series borrowing from classical literature? I read the one where GKC fought the Martians in War of the Worlds with HG Wells.

If GK gets to be a saint would that mean that the "Screwtape Letters" have church backing?

http://readanybooks.net/fantasticfic...e-Letters.html


Like all of GK I liked it a lot when younger. Now. not so much.
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Old 12th August 2013, 08:13 AM   #11
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Anyone who has read the Sandman series knows that GK is Fiddler's Green.

Why would he want to be a saint when he's already basically heaven?

PS: Wasn't Screwtape C.S. Lewis?

Edit after following the link: yes, yes it was.

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Old 12th August 2013, 08:24 AM   #12
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Originally Posted by Abdul Alhazred View Post
MJ and Mickey were Protestants, but why not Teilhard de Chardin?

Didn't he disprove godless evolution or something?
Mickey Mouse was a Protestant?
Evidences?
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Old 12th August 2013, 08:38 AM   #13
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Why are people referring to Mickey Mouse in the past tense?
I didn't even know that he was ill.
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Old 12th August 2013, 08:42 AM   #14
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Originally Posted by poblob14 View Post
Anyone who has read the Sandman series knows that GK is Fiddler's Green.

Why would he want to be a saint when he's already basically heaven?

PS: Wasn't Screwtape C.S. Lewis?

Edit after following the link: yes, yes it was.
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He either went to Heaven without going to Purgatory or he didn't, right?

I don't get how you can "plan" to "make" it so that in 1936 Chesterton bypassed Purgatory and went directly to Heaven. I guess it could just be a case of a popular periodical not quite getting the wording correctly, and that the church is just researching Chesterton to figure out whether there's any reason to think he's definitely not a saint, other than a scarcity of cancer remissions someone decided he was responsible for.

Still, I sometimes get the feeling that when the church saints somebody, the people doing the sainting betray the fact that they're ultimately the ones deciding who went where and bypassed what.
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Old 12th August 2013, 06:43 PM   #16
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What miracles did he manage to pull off, then? Isn't that a prerequisite?
Oh they'll find something. That part's easy. Usually involves someone claiming to have prayed to the person in question and then being miraculously cured of a disease. The miracles can be performed after death, you see.

Pope John Paul II Supposedly Performed Both Miracles After Death

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The Vatican announced Friday that Pope John Paul II would be declared a saint after it was proven he had performed two miracles - both of them after his death. According to the church, John Paul performed his first miracle on a French nun with Parkinson's disease in June 2005, several months after he died, while he performed the second miracle on a Costa Rican woman with an aneurism in 2011, six years after his death. John Paul served as Pope from 1978 until he died in 2005. He was beatified in 2011.

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John Paul supposedly performed his first miracle on a French nun with Parkinson's disease just months after he died in 2005. ZENIT, a non-profit news agency that reports on the Catholic Church, has a translation of the testimony of Sister Marie Simon-Pierre of the Congregation of the Little Sisters of Catholic Motherhood, who says she was diagnosed with Parkinson's in 2001, worsened in the subsequent years, and healed after John Paul's intercession in 2005.

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John Paul supposedly performed his second miracle in 2011, six years after his death, curing a woman of an aneurism on a major blood vessel in her brain after her family prayed to a shrine of John Paul on her behalf.

A neurosurgeon who treated the woman, Alejandro Vargas Roman, told Costa Rican news site La Nacion, which first reported on the miracle, that the disappearance of the aneurism had "no scientific explanation." The woman was then moved to Vatican City to be reviewed by doctors and theologians, who later declared the legitimacy of the miracle.
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Old 12th August 2013, 07:02 PM   #17
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Oh they'll find something. That part's easy. Usually involves someone claiming to have prayed to the person in question and then being miraculously cured of a disease. The miracles can be performed after death, you see.

Pope John Paul II Supposedly Performed Both Miracles After Death
If popes did miracles before they died they might get more converts.
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Old 13th August 2013, 11:42 AM   #18
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Why are people referring to Mickey Mouse in the past tense?
I didn't even know that he was ill.
Sorry. I thought he died years ago. I haven't seen him in anything new recently. I suppose he's retired. I just don't think he's likely to be a Prod. with a name like "Mickey"- but maybe that's just a stage name.
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Old 15th August 2013, 02:08 PM   #19
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Only for canonisation. Under RCC rules he can be declared Venerable without evidence of miraculous intervention. Beatification or canonisation would require evidence of divine intervention or this requirement being waived.
Yes, as I recall, those are the three levels on the road to canonization: Veneratus, Beatus, Sanctus. Thus, we have the Venerable Bede and the Blessed Oliver Plunkett, though I think both Bede and Oliver have made it to sainthood by now. I suspect that, should G. K. be made a veneratus, miracles will begin to flow. Maybe someone who's morbidly obese will miraculously slim down after reciting "Lepanto." Although it doesn't seem to have worked for G. K.
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Maybe someone who's morbidly obese will miraculously slim down after reciting "Lepanto." Although it doesn't seem to have worked for G. K.
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Yes, as I recall, those are the three levels on the road to canonization: Veneratus, Beatus, Sanctus. Thus, we have the Venerable Bede and the Blessed Oliver Plunkett, though I think both Bede and Oliver have made it to sainthood by now. I suspect that, should G. K. be made a veneratus, miracles will begin to flow. Maybe someone who's morbidly obese will miraculously slim down after reciting "Lepanto." Although it doesn't seem to have worked for G. K.
Bede's honorific "Venerable" has nothing to do with the first stage on the road to sainthood. It refers to his reputation as a scholar. He is, however, also considered a saint.
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Yes, as I recall, those are the three levels on the road to canonization: Veneratus, Beatus, Sanctus. Thus, we have the Venerable Bede and the Blessed Oliver Plunkett, though I think both Bede and Oliver have made it to sainthood by now. I suspect that, should G. K. be made a veneratus, miracles will begin to flow. Maybe someone who's morbidly obese will miraculously slim down after reciting "Lepanto." Although it doesn't seem to have worked for G. K.
Well Plunkett was canonised back in '75 (without a second miracle).
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Well Plunkett was canonised back in '75 (without a second miracle).
The act of canonisation itself counts as the second miracle.
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Bede's honorific "Venerable" has nothing to do with the first stage on the road to sainthood. It refers to his reputation as a scholar. He is, however, also considered a saint.
Thanks for that correction. I've always liked referring to him as "the venerable Bede.
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