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Old 17th July 2017, 06:12 AM   #1
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Make Ballots as hard to get as Guns

"Make Ballots as hard to get as Guns"

Both are constitutionally protected rights. But the people who screamed about Trump trying to collect vote data can't see how the collection of gun owner data could possible be an infringement.

And so, I believe all those gun restrictions ought also apply to voting rights. Felony conviction already does, but oughtn't being insane also prohibit a person from voting? The definition of insane is "makes bad decisions", should that persons vote be counted?

Make Ballots as hard to get as Guns. Same ID requirements, same social standing requirements, same record keeping.
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Old 17th July 2017, 06:14 AM   #3
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Originally Posted by casebro View Post
"Make Ballots as hard to get as Guns"

Both are constitutionally protected rights. But the people who screamed about Trump trying to collect vote data can't see how the collection of gun owner data could possible be an infringement.

And so, I believe all those gun restrictions ought also apply to voting rights. Felony conviction already does, but oughtn't being insane also prohibit a person from voting? The definition of insane is "makes bad decisions", should that persons vote be counted?

Make Ballots as hard to get as Guns. Same ID requirements, same social standing requirements, same record keeping.
Maybe provide some actual evidence for the hilited part.

How many states complied ? How many of those states had republican governors, etc ?
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The definition of insane is "makes bad decisions"
Everybody is insane?
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Old 17th July 2017, 06:39 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by casebro View Post
"Make Ballots as hard to get as Guns"

Both are constitutionally protected rights. But the people who screamed about Trump trying to collect vote data can't see how the collection of gun owner data could possible be an infringement.

And so, I believe all those gun restrictions ought also apply to voting rights. Felony conviction already does, but oughtn't being insane also prohibit a person from voting? The definition of insane is "makes bad decisions", should that persons vote be counted?

Make Ballots as hard to get as Guns. Same ID requirements, same social standing requirements, same record keeping.


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Old 17th July 2017, 06:40 AM   #6
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Everybody is insane?
Ban all guns. Suspend all voting rights. For the greater good

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Old 17th July 2017, 06:45 AM   #7
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Ban all guns. Suspend all voting rights. For the greater good

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Something like that.

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Well, it's not that far off. More people are going to die due to the elected officials in the US than will die from guns. Probably not a bad idea
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Guns are just like voting.
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Guns are just like voting.
Exactly, to a certain set of people both are OK if you're white and not OK if you're not white
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"Make Ballots as hard to get as Guns"
Aren't guns really easy to get?

And you can legally have as many as you want?

This sounds like a poor plan ,,,
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Well, it's not that far off. More people are going to die due to the elected officials in the US than will die from guns. Probably not a bad idea
Not a bad idea, until you have to replace those elected officials with some other form of government.

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Originally Posted by Yeggster View Post
Aren't guns really easy to get?

And you can legally have as many as you want?

This sounds like a poor plan ,,,
Like votes. You do see the connection!
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Originally Posted by Yeggster View Post
Aren't guns really easy to get?

And you can legally have as many as you want?

This sounds like a poor plan ,,,
The more guns you can get, the more votes you can have. Great plan!
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Old 17th July 2017, 08:20 AM   #15
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"Make Ballots as hard to get as Guns"

Both are constitutionally protected rights. But the people who screamed about Trump trying to collect vote data can't see how the collection of gun owner data could possible be an infringement.

And so, I believe all those gun restrictions ought also apply to voting rights. Felony conviction already does, but oughtn't being insane also prohibit a person from voting? The definition of insane is "makes bad decisions", should that persons vote be counted?

Make Ballots as hard to get as Guns. Same ID requirements, same social standing requirements, same record keeping.
By it's very nature, every vote has the potential to effect the lives of every single person in a given geographic area, and if we're talking specifically the U.S., the world at large.

I don't see any reason why voting shouldn't be subject to some type of minimum standards, there should be much better control over the voting process and the handling of ballot materials.

If we can run someone through a NICS instant background check to purchase a handgun and that isn't considered to be a violation of rights, why not run voters through NICS on election?
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I see a few big difference, that apparently some in their glee to see the similarity, discount.

Firstly a single individual cannot kill anybody else with a vote, even if they use very sharp paper.

Secondly while knowing where you vote and when can give a pretty good indication on how you vote, therere is no such implication with gun ownership. Gun ownership is more like DMV license (*) : there is next to no privacy implication.

Thirdly, in a way, it is easier in some places than to get a voting right, especially those who wanted to have voting ID checks.

Finally, voting is a required process for a healthy democraty. Gun owning, not at all.

But feel free to draw bad analogy trying to defend your right to have weapon by any means.

(*) and yes some state DO sell your DMV registration information
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Require a gun in order to cast your vote. Simply bring it with you to your polling place- no other I.D. required! Depending on the number of candidates you wish to vote for on the ballot, you must bring an equivalent number of bullets(for those with bad aim, an extra 25 pack of ammo is allowed). The polling place workers set up paper voting targets with pictures of each candidate 50 feet away, then aim very carefully at the candidate of your choice and let the shooting begin. Talk about patriotic!
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Exactly, to a certain set of people both are OK if you're white and not OK if you're not white
As long as you are not insane/psychotic/equivalent, a terrorist or a known and proven criminal and/or mentally deficient/disturbed (senile or related) or functionally blind you should be able to vote and own gun(s). Your race/creed and color should have nothing to do with it - though I am not quite sure where religion fits in (I do not trust anyone who thinks any god listens to or talks to them - especially the latter)!!!. And, you should be well tested as to training/proper use and handling of said guns.
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Require a gun in order to cast your vote. Simply bring it with you to your polling place- no other I.D. required! Depending on the number of candidates you wish to vote for on the ballot, you must bring an equivalent number of bullets(for those with bad aim, an extra 25 pack of ammo is allowed). The polling place workers set up paper voting targets with pictures of each candidate 50 feet away, then aim very carefully at the candidate of your choice and let the shooting begin. Talk about patriotic!
I think the idea should be for you to fire away at the candidate(s) you are against!!! The person with the least holes in his/her photos wins!!!
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Originally Posted by casebro View Post
"Make Ballots as hard to get as Guns"

Both are constitutionally protected rights. But the people who screamed about Trump trying to collect vote data can't see how the collection of gun owner data could possible be an infringement.

And so, I believe all those gun restrictions ought also apply to voting rights. Felony conviction already does, but oughtn't being insane also prohibit a person from voting? The definition of insane is "makes bad decisions", should that persons vote be counted?

Make Ballots as hard to get as Guns. Same ID requirements, same social standing requirements, same record keeping.
Are you being serious? Frankly, I think we should take the approach that Australia takes. It's illegal NOT to Vote.
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Are you being serious? Frankly, I think we should take the approach that Australia takes. It's illegal NOT to Vote.
Some gun owners have been inspired by that idea: Kennesaw

"In 2007, the city was selected by Family Circle magazine as one of the nation's "10 best towns for families".[5] In 2009 Newsmax magazine listed the city among the "Top 25 Most Uniquely American Cities and Towns".[6] The city is perhaps best known nationally for its mandatory gun-possession ordinance.[7] The residential burglary rate subsequently dropped 89% in Kennesaw, compared to the modest 10.4% drop in Georgia as a whole. "

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Ban all guns. Suspend all voting rights. For the greater good
Say "please".
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Unlike guns, your vote doesn't make a difference.
Correct. Here in California, my republican vote for president didn't count. And California is the state with the most restrict gun laws. See where I am coming from?
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Are you being serious? Frankly, I think we should take the approach that Australia takes. It's illegal NOT to Vote.
A very popular idea that I hear quite often, but I think is misguided. I don't really want a person to vote if they're only doing it out of coercion. If they care that little, let them stay out of it.
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Correct. Here in California, my republican vote for president didn't count. And California is the state with the most restrict gun laws. See where I am coming from?

So we get rid of the electoral college. Problem solved.


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I'm all for it being more difficult to get a ballot. It should include an obstacle course and maybe some kind of scavenger hunt.
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Correct. Here in California, my republican vote for president didn't count. And California is the state with the most restrict gun laws. See where I am coming from?
Why didn't it count?
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I think it may be easier for a law abiding citizen of proper age in my state to buy a gun than to vote.

I know it is for personal transactions. I can buy a gun from my buddy as easy as buying a skateboard.

Over the counter is a bit closer. Both require pre-registering. One has a pretty short lead time while the other is a bit longer. Then I have to show up to do the deed. Yeah, not much different on my personal effort required for either, really. Except I can do one whenever I want while the other has to be done within a prescribed time period.
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A very popular idea that I hear quite often, but I think is misguided. I don't really want a person to vote if they're only doing it out of coercion. If they care that little, let them stay out of it.
In Australia, you're required to show up at the polling place, and use the ballot, but you're allowed to spoil your ballot. (I guess the same applies to other countries with compulsory voting).

I'm on the fence about compulsory voting, but I see another definitely beneficial effect in the American context: counties will be compelled to organize enough polling stations to eliminate those ridiculous waiting lines.
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"Make Ballots as hard to get as Guns"

Both are constitutionally protected rights. But the people who screamed about Trump trying to collect vote data can't see how the collection of gun owner data could possible be an infringement.

And so, I believe all those gun restrictions ought also apply to voting rights. Felony conviction already does, but oughtn't being insane also prohibit a person from voting? The definition of insane is "makes bad decisions", should that persons vote be counted?

Make Ballots as hard to get as Guns. Same ID requirements, same social standing requirements, same record keeping.
Why do you want to exclude Dear President from voting?
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Require a gun in order to cast your vote. Simply bring it with you to your polling place- no other I.D. required! Depending on the number of candidates you wish to vote for on the ballot, you must bring an equivalent number of bullets(for those with bad aim, an extra 25 pack of ammo is allowed). The polling place workers set up paper voting targets with pictures of each candidate 50 feet away, then aim very carefully at the candidate of your choice and let the shooting begin. Talk about patriotic!
Give every voter ten rounds and every hit counts. Vote early, vote often!
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In Australia, you're required to show up at the polling place, and use the ballot, but you're allowed to spoil your ballot.
Correct. You just have to get your name crossed off the list. A voter may leave the ballot blank, or write a recipe for Chicken Noodle Soup on it.

Australia also has, at least at state level, pre election day polling booths, and an increasing number of Postal Votes (you apply for a ballot pre-election, get it sent to you by mail, then post it back). Local compulsory Council elections are mostly postal vote only and it is a perfectly valid excuse to

Australia Post's reliability, or lack of, can be a good thing.

We still get about 5% who do not turn up at all, about 5% spoils, and an uncertain number of donkey votes (say 2 - 3% at most). But the system works, and works pretty well. We rarely get a Government whom the electors did not want.

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Unless you're talking about greater access to firearms, no. My Democrat father's vote doesn't make a difference either. You're more likely to die on your way to the polls than your vote affecting the outcome of the election.
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And we can agree that ID to vote is as wrong as ID to buy a gun off some stranger in a parking lot after you agreed to the sale online. Voting like gun sales needs to be totally anonymous and untraceable.
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Old 19th July 2017, 07:14 AM   #38
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Originally Posted by uke2se View Post
Guns are just like voting.


Hahaha.


Ackshually, the vote is merely an abstraction of might makes right.
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So, how do we put this into action?

I'd like the availability to vote on the president next month. I think most of us can get a gun by next month, why not a vote?
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What if you were required to legally own a gun prior to being able to vote? Furthermore, you were encouraged to bring your gun to the voting booth, y'know, in case some libtard ruffians (is that an oxymoron?) try to influence your vote.
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