Brilliant Light Power Going To Market - Free Energy Generator Part 2 - Page 65

Hans · 15th July 2017, 07:54 AM

Originally Posted by markie

Was it you Hans or someone else who earlier was near pleading with me to stop posting? Regardless, there is not much to say except that Mills' last two papers are full of goodies, and that I am eagerly anticipating the next announcement from BLP.

I want you guys to keep posting as much as you can. I am so looking forward to you trying to explain away the non-appearance of any product (Mills is too devoted to perfection' etc.) and 'BLP' going 'cold' for a period of time before emerging yet again with another name and yet another pronouncement that they are 'just about' to change the world, have contracts in place, etc., etc. - you know the drill.

Then you can pronounce your faith in Mills - once again - renew all the other excuses, in other words pretend it all going to come out right in the end.

The finest type of unintended comedy too bad its played out so you can help a guy scam others for money.

abaddon · 15th July 2017, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by markie

Was it you Hans or someone else who earlier was near pleading with me to stop posting? Regardless, there is not much to say except that Mills' last two papers are full of goodies, and that I am eagerly anticipating the next announcement from BLP.

I just bet you are. So eager that you will lap up the bovine fecal matter and call it champagne and caviar.

abaddon · 15th July 2017, 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by markie

One has to be an "accredited investor" to put money into BLP. In short those are people or entities who are savvy and/or rich enough and who can afford to lose some money. These are not the type of people who would suffer desperation or cognitive dissonance at the prospect of losing some money.

At least you admit that these "marks" will likely lose their money.

Steorn did the very same thing. This is no different.

Red Baron Farms · 15th July 2017, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by markie

One has to be an "accredited investor" to put money into BLP. In short those are people or entities who are savvy and/or rich enough and who can afford to lose some money. These are not the type of people who would suffer desperation or cognitive dissonance at the prospect of losing some money.

Yes, that's the wildcatter scam all over again.

The Norseman · 15th July 2017, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by markie

One has to be an "accredited investor" to put money into BLP. In short those are people or entities who are savvy and/or rich enough and who can afford to lose some money. These are not the type of people who would suffer desperation or cognitive dissonance at the prospect of losing some money.

Well, there's the answer that a few Mills shills have brought up ("why, if he's a fraud, hasn't anyone sued him or gone to the authorities for fraud?") — the answer is that they're told ahead of time that they won't get their money back and that they're basically just donating it to him.

That makes the scam even better and it saddens me further that scum like Mills are getting away with it. That money that these wealthy idiots hand out could be going for much more useful things after all. But, a fool — even a rich fool — and his money are soon parted. So there's that.

Dave Rogers · 15th July 2017, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by markie

Regardless, there is not much to say except that Mills' last two papers are full of goodies, and that I am eagerly anticipating the next announcement from BLP.

Seems perfectly reasonable, as announcements seem set to remain BLP's core product line for the foreseeable future.

Dave

Dave Rogers · 15th July 2017, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by markie

One has to be an "accredited investor" to put money into BLP. In short those are people or entities who are savvy and/or rich enough and who can afford to lose some money. These are not the type of people who would suffer desperation or cognitive dissonance at the prospect of losing some money.

In other words, perfect marks. It seems that BLP and confidence tricksters are addressing exactly the same market segment.

Dave

halleyscomet · 15th July 2017, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by markie

One has to be an "accredited investor" to put money into BLP. In short those are people or entities who are savvy and/or rich enough and who can afford to lose some money. These are not the type of people who would suffer desperation or cognitive dissonance at the prospect of losing some money.

You are wrong about what an accredited investor is under the law. The term is far broader than you claim.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accredited_investor

Do you have any retirement savings? There are several ways those funds could end up vaporized in an "accredited investors only" organization.

Darat · 17th July 2017, 11:39 AM

Any sign of the revolution?

Hans · 17th July 2017, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by Darat

Any sign of the revolution?

Delayed due to a lack of interest it would seem.

Horatius · 17th July 2017, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by Darat

Any sign of the revolution?

Have we all been put up against the wall? No? Then, no.

SezMe · 17th July 2017, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by Hans

Delayed due to a lack of interest it would seem.

More likely due to a lack of *ahem* energy.

Darat · 18th July 2017, 10:34 PM

Weren't we at the stage of generators being sent out to 3rd parties?

jrhowell · 19th July 2017, 05:27 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

Weren't we at the stage of generators being sent out to 3rd parties?

Even if this were real, the timeline that they set was hopelessly optimistic. It didn't allow for any unforeseen problems in developing a totally new technology based on unproven science, where they haven't even been able to demonstrate a sustainable reaction yet. (I assume that the tight schedule was meant to give potential investors a sense of urgency.)

They were not even promising that things would be different this time around because they have cleansed their site to eliminate any mention that they have tried and failed to produce a product many times already.

Once they reveal the scenario to be used to close out this cycle it will all be over...until next time.

halleyscomet · 19th July 2017, 05:38 AM

Originally Posted by jrhowell

Even if this were real, the timeline that they set was hopelessly optimistic. It didn't allow for any unforeseen problems in developing a totally new technology based on unproven science, where they haven't even been able to demonstrate a sustainable reaction yet.

They aren't even promising that it would be different this time around because they have cleansed their site to eliminate any mention that they have tried and failed to produce a product many times already.

Once they reveal the scenario to be used to close out this cycle it will all be over...until next time.

Don't forget UL testing, clearing EPA hurdles, safety testing...

I've said it before and I'll say it again, even IF BLP had the science right, they will NEVER release a Hydrino based generator or heater due to their grotesque incompetence.

jrhowell · 19th July 2017, 07:36 AM

Originally Posted by halleyscomet

Don't forget UL testing, clearing EPA hurdles, safety testing...

Their pitch to investors seems to have been targeted to appeal to an off-the-grid, libertarian mindset. Those people would be turned off by mention of safety regulations and the EPA so those things were left out of the plan.

halleyscomet · 19th July 2017, 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by jrhowell

Their pitch to investors seems to have been targeted to appeal to an off-the-grid, libertarian mindset. Those people would be turned off by mention of safety regulations and the EPA so those things were left out of the plan.

It's a shame Sovereign Citizens don't typically have enough money for Mills and Co. to go after them as potential investors. I'd love to see the shenanigans of a Sovereign Citizen group, tired of endless promises and delays, deciding they "own" the BLP lab and occupying it though their more robust tactics.

We'd then see the catastrophe that would result from the occupying Sovereign Citizens trying to fire up the "reactors" and "generators."

Mike! · 19th July 2017, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by halleyscomet

It's a shame Sovereign Citizens don't typically have enough money for Mills and Co. to go after them as potential investors. I'd love to see the shenanigans of a Sovereign Citizen group, tired of endless promises and delays, deciding they "own" the BLP lab and occupying it though their more robust tactics.

We'd then see the catastrophe that would result from the occupying Sovereign Citizens trying to fire up the "reactors" and "generators."

Are you pitching some kind of situation comedy plot here?

markie · 19th July 2017, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by Mike!

Are you pitching some kind of situation comedy plot here?

I think some here are trying to match what they see as the fantastical claims of Mills, with their own fantastical scenarios. Makes for amusing reading anyway.

Looks like the wait for a working prototype is going to be longer in coming, such that even my estimate may be too short. If I understand a recent post of Dr. Mills correctly it appears that BLP is going to be patenting a more effective method to generate electricity from heat . We'll see. As they say, 'the better is the enemy of the good enough.'

Somewhat off topic: I tried unsubscribing from this thread two weeks ago, since I don't need to be reminded about the thread, and I prefer to read the posts on site. Although I have tried twice to unsubscribe, I am still receiving a daily email. Anyone else experience this? Is this like the Hotel California?

jrhowell · 19th July 2017, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by markie

Looks like the wait for a working prototype is going to be longer in coming, such that even my estimate may be too short. If I understand a recent post of Dr. Mills correctly it appears that BLP is going to be patenting a more effective method to generate electricity from heat . We'll see. As they say, 'the better is the enemy of the good enough.'

Sounds like a variant of the #1 wrap-up scenario:

Originally Posted by jrhowell

1) Success. They announce discovery of an even better way to cause the hydrino reaction so they are tossing the current design and starting over.

So the introduction of world changing technology is again delayed due to aspects of design unrelated to the supposed hydrino reaction. Doesn't that seem a bit odd?

There are a huge number of applications where just having the heat output would be enough. It's too bad that the investors will again have to wait for their big payday.

Prometheus · 19th July 2017, 03:27 PM

Maybe they've finally received those heat exchangers they were waiting for a decade ago...

Blue Mountain · 19th July 2017, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by Prometheus

Maybe they've finally received those heat exchangers they were waiting for a decade ago...

If Wile E. Coyote can order something from Acme and get it delivered amost immediately, where does BLP order their stuff from? Maybe Zyxxwut, the slowest supplier in the western hemisphere?

Mike! · 19th July 2017, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by Blue Mountain

If Wile E. Coyote can order something from Acme and get it delivered amost immediately, where does BLP order their stuff from? Maybe Zyxxwut, the slowest supplier in the western hemisphere?

Funny you should mention Mr. Coyote, to date he has at least as much success in catching the Road Runner as Mills has on delivering his generators.

SezMe · 20th July 2017, 12:43 AM

Originally Posted by markie

Looks like the wait for a working prototype is going to be longer in coming, such that even my estimate may be too short. If I understand a recent post of Dr. Mills correctly it appears that BLP is going to be patenting a more effective method to generate electricity from heat . We'll see. As they say, 'the better is the enemy of the good enough.'

Got a link to that post? So we can all benefit from his pearls of wisdom?

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Aber · 20th July 2017, 12:47 AM

Quote:

patenting a more effective method to generate electricity from heat

Really? What has GE etc been doing for the last century?

Darat · 20th July 2017, 12:50 AM

Perhaps his uses frictionalless bearings in the turbines using the antigravity compounds he discovered over 20 years ago?

Porpoise of Life · 20th July 2017, 01:09 AM

Aaaaaaaany day now, infidels, any day now.

Dave Rogers · 20th July 2017, 02:11 AM

Originally Posted by markie

Looks like the wait for a working prototype is going to be longer in coming, such that even my estimate may be too short.

Well, bugger me, what a surprise.

Originally Posted by markie

If I understand a recent post of Dr. Mills correctly it appears that BLP is going to be patenting a more effective method to generate electricity from heat.

Called it.

Originally Posted by markie

Somewhat off topic: I tried unsubscribing from this thread two weeks ago, since I don't need to be reminded about the thread,

Called that too.

Dave

theprestige · 20th July 2017, 03:51 AM

Originally Posted by markie

If I understand a recent post of Dr. Mills correctly it appears that BLP is going to be patenting a more effective method to generate electricity from heat . We'll see. As they say, 'the better is the enemy of the good enough.'

Having invented a new form of steel than will revolutionize the railroad industry, Mills will now pause to reinvent the wheel?

John Galt didn't need the steam locomotive--that he could leave to others. All he needed was the steel.

If Mills had the hydrino, any old heat engine would do. If he's working on a heat engine, it can only mean he doesn't have the hydrino.

And that he's an idiot. Heat engine development is a well understood and saturated field. Does Mills really expect us to believe his time is best spent on such work? To believe he'll improve upon the work of General Electric? The work of General Dynamics? Of BAE, of Siemens, of Komatsu Ltd?

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halleyscomet · 20th July 2017, 04:19 AM

Originally Posted by theprestige

Having invented a new form of steel than will revolutionize the railroad industry, Mills will now pause to reinvent the wheel?

John Galt didn't need the steam locomotive--that he could leave to others. All he needed was the steel.

If Mills had the hydrino, any old heat engine would do. If he's working on a heat engine, it can only mean he doesn't have the hydrino.

And that he's an idiot. Heat engine development is a well understood and saturated field. Does Mills really expect us to believe his time is best spent on such work? To believe he'll improve upon the work of General Electric? The work of General Dynamics? Of BAE, of Siemens, of Komatsu Ltd?

This signature is intended to irradiate people.

He only needs to fool existing and future investors. The con, by its very nature, will filter out the people intelligent enough to NOT fall for such bullocks.

Prometheus · 20th July 2017, 11:39 AM

Maybe he's invented a wheel that's rounder than a circle.

markie · 20th July 2017, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by SezMe

Got a link to that post? So we can all benefit from his pearls of wisdom?

I'll just copy the post by Dr. Mills from July 15:

We are working on a way of directly getting to essentially the end of the converter engineering program at much higher conversion efficiency and lower cost than initially planned. We will likely post an update once I have filed a few more patent applications and we do some further engineering and testing.

Quote:

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OK thanks, I just tried the Unsubscribe option from the Tools menu near the top of the page. I'll see if that works. What doesn't seem to work is unsubscribing via the link at the bottom of the emails.

markie · 20th July 2017, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by theprestige

Having invented a new form of steel than will revolutionize the railroad industry, Mills will now pause to reinvent the wheel?

John Galt didn't need the steam locomotive--that he could leave to others. All he needed was the steel.

If Mills had the hydrino, any old heat engine would do. If he's working on a heat engine, it can only mean he doesn't have the hydrino.

And that he's an idiot. Heat engine development is a well understood and saturated field. Does Mills really expect us to believe his time is best spent on such work? To believe he'll improve upon the work of General Electric? The work of General Dynamics? Of BAE, of Siemens, of Komatsu Ltd?

This signature is intended to irradiate people.

I suspect the high temperatures involved make even the higher heat engine technologies much less than optimal. One size does not fit all. Also, although it seems likely the heat will be converted to mechanical energy and then to electrical, that was not explicitly stated by Mills. He may have something different in mind.

Aepervius · 20th July 2017, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by halleyscomet

He only needs to fool existing and future investors. The con, by its very nature, will filter out the people intelligent enough to NOT fall for such bullocks.

That is why the Nigeria scam email are so badly written, mostly to filter out people clever enough to see through it.

Dave Rogers · 20th July 2017, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by markie

I suspect the high temperatures involved make even the higher heat engine technologies much less than optimal. One size does not fit all. Also, although it seems likely the heat will be converted to mechanical energy and then to electrical, that was not explicitly stated by Mills. He may have something different in mind.

You know, speaking as a physicist, I find this all to be comedy gold. If I were also an economist, of course, I'd probably find it even funnier that somebody who claims to have an essentially unlimited source of essentially free energy is choosing not to derive profit from it yet because he feels that the conversion efficiency of that unlimited energy source is not as high as it could be.

Dave

jrhowell · 20th July 2017, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by markie

I'll just copy the post by Dr. Mills from July 15:

We are working on a way of directly getting to essentially the end of the converter engineering program at much higher conversion efficiency and lower cost than initially planned. We will likely post an update once I have filed a few more patent applications and we do some further engineering and testing.

Great! So maybe a year or two to get that squared away and then they will be ready for the first actual full power test?

Aepervius · 20th July 2017, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by markie

I suspect the high temperatures involved make even the higher heat engine technologies much less than optimal. One size does not fit all. Also, although it seems likely the heat will be converted to mechanical energy and then to electrical, that was not explicitly stated by Mills. He may have something different in mind.

The temperature do not make a lick of difference as far as I remember, what is important is the heat exchange tech, which is such a case would use a primary with a liquid metal and a secondary circuit with water/steam. You would have some losses, but this is a solved problem as far as I can tell.

"Having something different in mind" == being allowed to waffle more year by gullible without any results.

Prometheus · 20th July 2017, 02:20 PM

I suspect that what they're really working on is a more refined method of converting bald claims into cash.

Red Baron Farms · 20th July 2017, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by markie

I suspect the high temperatures involved make even the higher heat engine technologies much less than optimal. One size does not fit all. Also, although it seems likely the heat will be converted to mechanical energy and then to electrical, that was not explicitly stated by Mills. He may have something different in mind.

That's BS and you know it markie. All it takes is a bigger boiler. (assuming that he really were producing that much energy, which he isn't) In fact I guarantee you that the steam engines run off nuclear carriers would easily be capable of handling all the energy Mills claims he is producing with hydrinos.

And don't forget this is also the same unit we can put in a car? Power an airplane? But the standard boiler steam engine technology that was up and running 100 years ago and with massive upgrades and tweaking all this time till completely reliable as any technology can be at all those sizes...but not good enough for Mills?

When are you just going to admit Mills is scamming you?

halleyscomet · 20th July 2017, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by markie

I suspect the high temperatures involved make even the higher heat engine technologies much less than optimal. One size does not fit all. Also, although it seems likely the heat will be converted to mechanical energy and then to electrical, that was not explicitly stated by Mills. He may have something different in mind.

One of my grandfathers was an engineer. Before he retired 30 years ago he was refining the liquid sodium phase of the cooling system for an experimental fusion reactor.

The heat exchange systems needed for the temperatures Mills is claiming have been around and quite reliable for decades. The tech he's claiming he needs to develop is literally older than his Hydrino theory. Your suspicion is pure, ignorant nonsense.

Mills is either lying, hoping the people he's lying to are too ignorant to see though his lies, or he is literally 30 to 40 years behind modern technology in his knowledge of what he needs to interface with.

Either way, nothing profitable is coming out of Hydrino theory with Mills at the helm.

15th July 2017, 07:54 AM	#2561
Hans Philosopher Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 6,451	Originally Posted by markie Was it you Hans or someone else who earlier was near pleading with me to stop posting? Regardless, there is not much to say except that Mills' last two papers are full of goodies, and that I am eagerly anticipating the next announcement from BLP. I want you guys to keep posting as much as you can. I am so looking forward to you trying to explain away the non-appearance of any product (Mills is too devoted to perfection' etc.) and 'BLP' going 'cold' for a period of time before emerging yet again with another name and yet another pronouncement that they are 'just about' to change the world, have contracts in place, etc., etc. - you know the drill. Then you can pronounce your faith in Mills - once again - renew all the other excuses, in other words pretend it all going to come out right in the end. The finest type of unintended comedy too bad its played out so you can help a guy scam others for money.
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15th July 2017, 08:11 AM	#2562
abaddon Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 15,982	Originally Posted by markie Was it you Hans or someone else who earlier was near pleading with me to stop posting? Regardless, there is not much to say except that Mills' last two papers are full of goodies, and that I am eagerly anticipating the next announcement from BLP. I just bet you are. So eager that you will lap up the bovine fecal matter and call it champagne and caviar.
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15th July 2017, 08:12 AM	#2563
abaddon Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 15,982	Originally Posted by markie One has to be an "accredited investor" to put money into BLP. In short those are people or entities who are savvy and/or rich enough and who can afford to lose some money. These are not the type of people who would suffer desperation or cognitive dissonance at the prospect of losing some money. At least you admit that these "marks" will likely lose their money. Steorn did the very same thing. This is no different.
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15th July 2017, 08:36 AM	#2564
Red Baron Farms Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 3,971	Originally Posted by markie One has to be an "accredited investor" to put money into BLP. In short those are people or entities who are savvy and/or rich enough and who can afford to lose some money. These are not the type of people who would suffer desperation or cognitive dissonance at the prospect of losing some money. Yes, that's the wildcatter scam all over again.
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15th July 2017, 11:53 AM	#2566
Dave Rogers Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through a scribbled morning waving necessary ankles Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cair Paravel, according to XKCD Posts: 24,413	Originally Posted by markie Regardless, there is not much to say except that Mills' last two papers are full of goodies, and that I am eagerly anticipating the next announcement from BLP. Seems perfectly reasonable, as announcements seem set to remain BLP's core product line for the foreseeable future. Dave
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15th July 2017, 11:30 AM	#2565
The Norseman Meandering fecklessly Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 6,841	Originally Posted by markie One has to be an "accredited investor" to put money into BLP. In short those are people or entities who are savvy and/or rich enough and who can afford to lose some money. These are not the type of people who would suffer desperation or cognitive dissonance at the prospect of losing some money. Well, there's the answer that a few Mills shills have brought up ("why, if he's a fraud, hasn't anyone sued him or gone to the authorities for fraud?") — the answer is that they're told ahead of time that they won't get their money back and that they're basically just donating it to him. That makes the scam even better and it saddens me further that scum like Mills are getting away with it. That money that these wealthy idiots hand out could be going for much more useful things after all. But, a fool — even a rich fool — and his money are soon parted. So there's that.

15th July 2017, 11:55 AM	#2567
Dave Rogers Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through a scribbled morning waving necessary ankles Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cair Paravel, according to XKCD Posts: 24,413	Originally Posted by markie One has to be an "accredited investor" to put money into BLP. In short those are people or entities who are savvy and/or rich enough and who can afford to lose some money. These are not the type of people who would suffer desperation or cognitive dissonance at the prospect of losing some money. In other words, perfect marks. It seems that BLP and confidence tricksters are addressing exactly the same market segment. Dave
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15th July 2017, 12:52 PM	#2568
halleyscomet Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 7,112	Originally Posted by markie One has to be an "accredited investor" to put money into BLP. In short those are people or entities who are savvy and/or rich enough and who can afford to lose some money. These are not the type of people who would suffer desperation or cognitive dissonance at the prospect of losing some money. You are wrong about what an accredited investor is under the law. The term is far broader than you claim. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accredited_investor Do you have any retirement savings? There are several ways those funds could end up vaporized in an "accredited investors only" organization.
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17th July 2017, 11:39 AM	#2569
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 78,020	Any sign of the revolution?
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17th July 2017, 01:47 PM	#2570
Hans Philosopher Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 6,451	Originally Posted by Darat Any sign of the revolution? Delayed due to a lack of interest it would seem.
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17th July 2017, 06:11 PM	#2571
Horatius NWO Kitty Wrangler Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 25,939	Originally Posted by Darat Any sign of the revolution? Have we all been put up against the wall? No? Then, no.
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17th July 2017, 07:04 PM	#2572
SezMe post-pre-born Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 22,149	Originally Posted by Hans Delayed due to a lack of interest it would seem. More likely due to a lack of ahem energy.

18th July 2017, 10:34 PM	#2573
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 78,020	Weren't we at the stage of generators being sent out to 3rd parties?
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19th July 2017, 05:27 AM	#2574
jrhowell Thinker Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 225	Originally Posted by Darat Weren't we at the stage of generators being sent out to 3rd parties? Even if this were real, the timeline that they set was hopelessly optimistic. It didn't allow for any unforeseen problems in developing a totally new technology based on unproven science, where they haven't even been able to demonstrate a sustainable reaction yet. (I assume that the tight schedule was meant to give potential investors a sense of urgency.) They were not even promising that things would be different this time around because they have cleansed their site to eliminate any mention that they have tried and failed to produce a product many times already. Once they reveal the scenario to be used to close out this cycle it will all be over...until next time.
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19th July 2017, 05:38 AM	#2575
halleyscomet Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 7,112	Originally Posted by jrhowell Even if this were real, the timeline that they set was hopelessly optimistic. It didn't allow for any unforeseen problems in developing a totally new technology based on unproven science, where they haven't even been able to demonstrate a sustainable reaction yet. They aren't even promising that it would be different this time around because they have cleansed their site to eliminate any mention that they have tried and failed to produce a product many times already. Once they reveal the scenario to be used to close out this cycle it will all be over...until next time. Don't forget UL testing, clearing EPA hurdles, safety testing... I've said it before and I'll say it again, even IF BLP had the science right, they will NEVER release a Hydrino based generator or heater due to their grotesque incompetence.
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19th July 2017, 07:36 AM	#2576
jrhowell Thinker Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 225	Originally Posted by halleyscomet Don't forget UL testing, clearing EPA hurdles, safety testing... Their pitch to investors seems to have been targeted to appeal to an off-the-grid, libertarian mindset. Those people would be turned off by mention of safety regulations and the EPA so those things were left out of the plan.
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19th July 2017, 08:10 AM	#2577
halleyscomet Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 7,112	Originally Posted by jrhowell Their pitch to investors seems to have been targeted to appeal to an off-the-grid, libertarian mindset. Those people would be turned off by mention of safety regulations and the EPA so those things were left out of the plan. It's a shame Sovereign Citizens don't typically have enough money for Mills and Co. to go after them as potential investors. I'd love to see the shenanigans of a Sovereign Citizen group, tired of endless promises and delays, deciding they "own" the BLP lab and occupying it though their more robust tactics. We'd then see the catastrophe that would result from the occupying Sovereign Citizens trying to fire up the "reactors" and "generators."
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19th July 2017, 02:20 PM	#2578
Mike! Official Ponylandistanian National Treasure. Respect it! Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ponylandistan! Where the bacon grows on trees! Can it get any better than that? I submit it can not! Posts: 26,240	Originally Posted by halleyscomet It's a shame Sovereign Citizens don't typically have enough money for Mills and Co. to go after them as potential investors. I'd love to see the shenanigans of a Sovereign Citizen group, tired of endless promises and delays, deciding they "own" the BLP lab and occupying it though their more robust tactics. We'd then see the catastrophe that would result from the occupying Sovereign Citizens trying to fire up the "reactors" and "generators." Are you pitching some kind of situation comedy plot here?
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19th July 2017, 03:06 PM	#2579
markie Muse Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 627	Originally Posted by Mike! Are you pitching some kind of situation comedy plot here? I think some here are trying to match what they see as the fantastical claims of Mills, with their own fantastical scenarios. Makes for amusing reading anyway. Looks like the wait for a working prototype is going to be longer in coming, such that even my estimate may be too short. If I understand a recent post of Dr. Mills correctly it appears that BLP is going to be patenting a more effective method to generate electricity from heat . We'll see. As they say, 'the better is the enemy of the good enough.' Somewhat off topic: I tried unsubscribing from this thread two weeks ago, since I don't need to be reminded about the thread, and I prefer to read the posts on site. Although I have tried twice to unsubscribe, I am still receiving a daily email. Anyone else experience this? Is this like the Hotel California?
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19th July 2017, 03:18 PM	#2580
jrhowell Thinker Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 225	Originally Posted by markie Looks like the wait for a working prototype is going to be longer in coming, such that even my estimate may be too short. If I understand a recent post of Dr. Mills correctly it appears that BLP is going to be patenting a more effective method to generate electricity from heat . We'll see. As they say, 'the better is the enemy of the good enough.' Sounds like a variant of the #1 wrap-up scenario: Originally Posted by jrhowell 1) Success. They announce discovery of an even better way to cause the hydrino reaction so they are tossing the current design and starting over. So the introduction of world changing technology is again delayed due to aspects of design unrelated to the supposed hydrino reaction. Doesn't that seem a bit odd? There are a huge number of applications where just having the heat output would be enough. It's too bad that the investors will again have to wait for their big payday.
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19th July 2017, 03:27 PM	#2581
Prometheus Acolyte of Víðarr Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 48,105	Maybe they've finally received those heat exchangers they were waiting for a decade ago...
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19th July 2017, 04:31 PM	#2582
Blue Mountain Resident Skeptical Hobbit Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Waging war on woo-woo in Winnipeg Posts: 5,167	Originally Posted by Prometheus Maybe they've finally received those heat exchangers they were waiting for a decade ago... If Wile E. Coyote can order something from Acme and get it delivered amost immediately, where does BLP order their stuff from? Maybe Zyxxwut, the slowest supplier in the western hemisphere?
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19th July 2017, 04:36 PM	#2583
Mike! Official Ponylandistanian National Treasure. Respect it! Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ponylandistan! Where the bacon grows on trees! Can it get any better than that? I submit it can not! Posts: 26,240	Originally Posted by Blue Mountain If Wile E. Coyote can order something from Acme and get it delivered amost immediately, where does BLP order their stuff from? Maybe Zyxxwut, the slowest supplier in the western hemisphere? Funny you should mention Mr. Coyote, to date he has at least as much success in catching the Road Runner as Mills has on delivering his generators.
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20th July 2017, 12:43 AM	#2584
SezMe post-pre-born Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 22,149	Originally Posted by markie Looks like the wait for a working prototype is going to be longer in coming, such that even my estimate may be too short. If I understand a recent post of Dr. Mills correctly it appears that BLP is going to be patenting a more effective method to generate electricity from heat . We'll see. As they say, 'the better is the enemy of the good enough.' Got a link to that post? So we can all benefit from his pearls of wisdom? [Aside]Did you use the unsubscribe tool at the top of each page. That always works for me. If not, go to your subscribed threads page and change notifications to "none".

20th July 2017, 12:47 AM	#2585
Aber Muse Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 955	Quote: patenting a more effective method to generate electricity from heat Really? What has GE etc been doing for the last century?
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20th July 2017, 12:50 AM	#2586
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 78,020	Perhaps his uses frictionalless bearings in the turbines using the antigravity compounds he discovered over 20 years ago?
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20th July 2017, 01:09 AM	#2587
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20th July 2017, 02:11 AM	#2588
Dave Rogers Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through a scribbled morning waving necessary ankles Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cair Paravel, according to XKCD Posts: 24,413	Originally Posted by markie Looks like the wait for a working prototype is going to be longer in coming, such that even my estimate may be too short. Well, bugger me, what a surprise. Originally Posted by markie If I understand a recent post of Dr. Mills correctly it appears that BLP is going to be patenting a more effective method to generate electricity from heat. Called it. Originally Posted by markie Somewhat off topic: I tried unsubscribing from this thread two weeks ago, since I don't need to be reminded about the thread, Called that too. Dave
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20th July 2017, 03:51 AM	#2589
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 22,243	Originally Posted by markie If I understand a recent post of Dr. Mills correctly it appears that BLP is going to be patenting a more effective method to generate electricity from heat . We'll see. As they say, 'the better is the enemy of the good enough.' Having invented a new form of steel than will revolutionize the railroad industry, Mills will now pause to reinvent the wheel? John Galt didn't need the steam locomotive--that he could leave to others. All he needed was the steel. If Mills had the hydrino, any old heat engine would do. If he's working on a heat engine, it can only mean he doesn't have the hydrino. And that he's an idiot. Heat engine development is a well understood and saturated field. Does Mills really expect us to believe his time is best spent on such work? To believe he'll improve upon the work of General Electric? The work of General Dynamics? Of BAE, of Siemens, of Komatsu Ltd? This signature is intended to irradiate people.
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20th July 2017, 04:19 AM	#2590
halleyscomet Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 7,112	Originally Posted by theprestige Having invented a new form of steel than will revolutionize the railroad industry, Mills will now pause to reinvent the wheel? John Galt didn't need the steam locomotive--that he could leave to others. All he needed was the steel. If Mills had the hydrino, any old heat engine would do. If he's working on a heat engine, it can only mean he doesn't have the hydrino. And that he's an idiot. Heat engine development is a well understood and saturated field. Does Mills really expect us to believe his time is best spent on such work? To believe he'll improve upon the work of General Electric? The work of General Dynamics? Of BAE, of Siemens, of Komatsu Ltd? This signature is intended to irradiate people. He only needs to fool existing and future investors. The con, by its very nature, will filter out the people intelligent enough to NOT fall for such bullocks.
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20th July 2017, 11:39 AM	#2591
Prometheus Acolyte of Víðarr Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 48,105	Maybe he's invented a wheel that's rounder than a circle.
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20th July 2017, 01:44 PM	#2592
markie Muse Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 627	Originally Posted by SezMe Got a link to that post? So we can all benefit from his pearls of wisdom? I'll just copy the post by Dr. Mills from July 15: We are working on a way of directly getting to essentially the end of the converter engineering program at much higher conversion efficiency and lower cost than initially planned. We will likely post an update once I have filed a few more patent applications and we do some further engineering and testing. Quote: [Aside]Did you use the unsubscribe tool at the top of each page. That always works for me. If not, go to your subscribed threads page and change notifications to "none". OK thanks, I just tried the Unsubscribe option from the Tools menu near the top of the page. I'll see if that works. What doesn't seem to work is unsubscribing via the link at the bottom of the emails.
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20th July 2017, 01:55 PM	#2593
markie Muse Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 627	Originally Posted by theprestige Having invented a new form of steel than will revolutionize the railroad industry, Mills will now pause to reinvent the wheel? John Galt didn't need the steam locomotive--that he could leave to others. All he needed was the steel. If Mills had the hydrino, any old heat engine would do. If he's working on a heat engine, it can only mean he doesn't have the hydrino. And that he's an idiot. Heat engine development is a well understood and saturated field. Does Mills really expect us to believe his time is best spent on such work? To believe he'll improve upon the work of General Electric? The work of General Dynamics? Of BAE, of Siemens, of Komatsu Ltd? This signature is intended to irradiate people. I suspect the high temperatures involved make even the higher heat engine technologies much less than optimal. One size does not fit all. Also, although it seems likely the heat will be converted to mechanical energy and then to electrical, that was not explicitly stated by Mills. He may have something different in mind.
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20th July 2017, 02:03 PM	#2594
Aepervius Non credunt, semper verificare Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Sigil, the city of doors Posts: 14,581	Originally Posted by halleyscomet He only needs to fool existing and future investors. The con, by its very nature, will filter out the people intelligent enough to NOT fall for such bullocks. That is why the Nigeria scam email are so badly written, mostly to filter out people clever enough to see through it.

20th July 2017, 02:05 PM	#2595
Dave Rogers Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through a scribbled morning waving necessary ankles Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cair Paravel, according to XKCD Posts: 24,413	Originally Posted by markie I suspect the high temperatures involved make even the higher heat engine technologies much less than optimal. One size does not fit all. Also, although it seems likely the heat will be converted to mechanical energy and then to electrical, that was not explicitly stated by Mills. He may have something different in mind. You know, speaking as a physicist, I find this all to be comedy gold. If I were also an economist, of course, I'd probably find it even funnier that somebody who claims to have an essentially unlimited source of essentially free energy is choosing not to derive profit from it yet because he feels that the conversion efficiency of that unlimited energy source is not as high as it could be. Dave
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