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Old 24th June 2017, 09:03 AM   #1
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Happy 70th UFO Anniversary!

Happy UFO Anniversary Day! This is the 70th anniversary of Kenneth Arnold's sighting of nine Unidentified Flying Objects flying in a line near Mt. Rainier in Washington State, US.

He described them as looking something like shiny saucers, and some journalists called them "flying saucers". The US Air Force got into investigating them because some of them might have been secret Russian airplanes. The USAF's initial secrecy about it ended up provoking coverup conspiracy theories, but it was the USAF that invented the term Unidentified Flying Object or UFO as an alternative for "flying saucer".
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Also coming up to the 70th anniversary of the mis-identification a Project Mogul surveillance balloon as a UFO at Roswell.
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
Also coming up to the 70th anniversary of the mis-identification a Project Mogul surveillance balloon as a UFO at Roswell.

How much are you getting paid for this disinformation?
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
Also coming up to the 70th anniversary of the mis-identification a Project Mogul surveillance balloon as a UFO at Roswell.
Yup. Spy balloons were supersecret back then.

That case also illustrates a problem with UFO secrecy: some of the secrecy is because the UFO's are some of *our* stuff that various governments have wanted to keep secret. James Oberg has proposed that, and he has written in detail about The Great Soviet UFO Coverup. So it may not only be the Soviet Union that has done that.
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He described them as CHEVRON shaped, that moved like saucers skipping on the water.
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How much are you getting paid for this disinformation?
More than you can possibly imagine; I am the shill of shills....

Oh wait, there is the doorbell. That will be the FedEx guy delivering my weekly cheque from Area 51 Skunkworks Admin....
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Originally Posted by lpetrich View Post
Yup. Spy balloons were supersecret back then.

That case also illustrates a problem with UFO secrecy: some of the secrecy is because the UFO's are some of *our* stuff that various governments have wanted to keep secret.

And similarly, UFO enthusiasts use the fact that the military investigated reports of UFOs as evidence that they take the possibility of extraterrestrial origin seriously. What they took seriously was the possibility of unidentified, and therefore potentially belonging to a foreign power, objects in their airspace.
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And similarly, UFO enthusiasts use the fact that the military investigated reports of UFOs as evidence that they take the possibility of extraterrestrial origin seriously. What they took seriously was the possibility of unidentified, and therefore potentially belonging to a foreign power, objects in their airspace.
What the current crop of UFO nuts don't understand is that the UFO scares of the late 1940s through to the 1970s were happening at the time of the Cold War. People were building nuclear fallout shelters in their yards. There was the Pueblo Incident, the Bay of Pigs, the Cuban Missile Crisis, the shooting down of Gary Francis Powers' U2 over the Soviet Union. These were scary times.

I am pretty much convinced that many of the "genuine" UFO sightings (that is ones where an actual flying machine was seen by many witnesses), were secret aircraft being tested. Many reported triangular/chevron shaped machines... the B2 bomber was developed over many years, and its distant predecessors the Northrop XB-35 and YB-49 had been flying since June 1946 and October 1947 respectively.


Northrop XB-35


Northrop YB-49

Having these triangular/chevron shaped aircraft flying in the US mid-southwest, and having people report seeing triangular/chevron shaped UFOs in the same area over the same time period seems too much of a coincidence to be ignored.
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
What the current crop of UFO nuts don't understand is that the UFO scares of the late 1940s through to the 1970s were happening at the time of the Cold War. People were building nuclear fallout shelters in their yards. There was the Pueblo Incident, the Bay of Pigs, the Cuban Missile Crisis, the shooting down of Gary Francis Powers' U2 over the Soviet Union. These were scary times.

I am pretty much convinced that many of the "genuine" UFO sightings (that is ones where an actual flying machine was seen by many witnesses), were secret aircraft being tested. Many reported triangular/chevron shaped machines... the B2 bomber was developed over many years, and its distant predecessors the Northrop XB-35 and YB-49 had been flying since June 1946 and October 1947 respectively.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wx2xlpy2eo...XB-35.jpg?dl=1
Northrop XB-35

https://www.dropbox.com/s/m5bb9c976z...YB-49.jpg?dl=1
Northrop YB-49

Having these triangular/chevron shaped aircraft flying in the US mid-southwest, and having people report seeing triangular/chevron shaped UFOs in the same area over the same time period seems too much of a coincidence to be ignored.
Northrop YB-49, AKA, "The Flying Wing". Probably most famous for it's use in the delivery of the latest in H-Bomb technology, against the Martian invaders of '53.
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And similarly, UFO enthusiasts use the fact that the military investigated reports of UFOs as evidence that they take the possibility of extraterrestrial origin seriously. What they took seriously was the possibility of unidentified, and therefore potentially belonging to a foreign power, objects in their airspace.
Of course, but y'know, some people just want to believe. If the government came out tomorrow and claimed responsibility for all of this, some people would see that as yet another cover-up. Once you're down the rabbit hole, it's not so easy to get back out again, unless you actually want to.
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
What the current crop of UFO nuts don't understand is that the UFO scares of the late 1940s through to the 1970s were happening at the time of the Cold War. People were building nuclear fallout shelters in their yards. There was the Pueblo Incident, the Bay of Pigs, the Cuban Missile Crisis, the shooting down of Gary Francis Powers' U2 over the Soviet Union. These were scary times.

I am pretty much convinced that many of the "genuine" UFO sightings (that is ones where an actual flying machine was seen by many witnesses), were secret aircraft being tested. Many reported triangular/chevron shaped machines... the B2 bomber was developed over many years, and its distant predecessors the Northrop XB-35 and YB-49 had been flying since June 1946 and October 1947 respectively.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wx2xlpy2eo...XB-35.jpg?dl=1
Northrop XB-35

https://www.dropbox.com/s/m5bb9c976z...YB-49.jpg?dl=1
Northrop YB-49

Having these triangular/chevron shaped aircraft flying in the US mid-southwest, and having people report seeing triangular/chevron shaped UFOs in the same area over the same time period seems too much of a coincidence to be ignored.
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Also coming up to the 70th anniversary of the mis-identification a Project Mogul surveillance balloon as a UFO at Roswell.
Just to let you know that there was no Project Mogul balloon flight #4 on June 4, 1947 and I have reviewed Project Mogul balloon files to prove my point. Let's also remember that Project Mogul balloons were typical research balloons and were not classified.

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Project Mogul Balloon Equipment

* Dribblers

* Parachutes

* Ballast tubes

* Radiosode

* Sono Buoy

* Equipment gauges

* 17.5 Mogul balloon payload.

* Braided lines

* 28 balloons of various sizes

In fact, Project Mogul balloons were sometimes recovered by civilians for rewards.

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Rancher Sid West recovers Project Mogul balloon train

June 8, Sun. Rancher, Sid West, found balloon train 25 mi south of High Rolls in mountains.

Contacted him and made arragements to recover equipment Monday. Got all recordings of

balloon flights. Took Treland, Mears, Winton, Olsen to Alamogordo to catch train this pm

June 9, Mon. Bill Godbee and Don Reynolds went out to Sid West's ranch south of High Rolls

and broughtback recovered balloons- clock, 2 radiosondes, sonobuoy and microphone and lower

part of dribbler. Bill Edmondson cleaning up hanger and sorting out equipment of NYU. Worked

today on balloon records (GR8) from north hanger. No definite signals obtained. Took inventory

__________________________________________________ ______________________

QUESTIONNAIRE, REWARD AND WARNING TAGS ATTACHED TO PROJECT MOGUL BALLOONS

QUESTIONNAIRE

Please answer this and send to us so that we may pay you the

Reward.

1. On what date and at what hour was the balloon discovered?

2. Where was it discovered? (Approximate distance and direction

from nearest town on map?)

3. Was it observed descending? If so, at what time?

4. Did it float down slowly or fall rapidly?

5. How much kerosene was there in the tank?

C. S. Schneider

Research Division

New York University

University Heights

Bronx 53. New York


REWARD NOTICE

This is special weather equipment Sent aloft on research by New York Univetity.

It is important that the equipment be recovered. The finder L requested to protect

the equipment from damage or theft. and to telegraph collect to: Mr. C. 5. Schneider.

York University. 18lst St. & University Heights, Box 12. New York City.

L.S.A. Phone: LUdlow 3.6310. REFER TO FLIGHT #-__________

A dollar ($ ) reward and reasonable reimbursement for recovery expense will be

paid if the above instruction* are followed before September 1949.

KEEP AWAY FROM FIRE. THERE IS KEROSENE IN THE TANK.


****WARNING TAGS****


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There was another incident where a Project Mogul balloon was left lying next to a roadway where it was eventually vandalized and another case where a Project Mogul balloon became lodged on the roof of a tavern where it was recovered by a policeman.

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New York Times, Oct 1, 1948 "Balloon Staggers Down to Brooklyn Tavern,


A MOGUL balloon "floated blithely over the rooftops of Flatbush . . .causing general public excitement . . . before it came to rest on top of a [brooklyn] tavern." Recovered by policeman.

Admission that Project Mogul balloon teams were tracking flying saucers over New Mexico.

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HOW SCIENTISTS TRACKED A FLYING SAUCER

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Commander Robert B. McLaughlin, USN

In its January issue TRUE said that the flying saucers are real and interplanetary. Its story was widely supported by the nation's press and radio. TRUE's findings are here confirmed by Commander McLaughlin, a rocket expert at White Sands Proving Ground, who worked independently of this magazine's investigation. He reveals how a troup of Navy men and scientists tracked a flying disk with a precision instrument and tells of flights he and others witnessed.



In other words, the Air Force duped the public on a Project Mogul balloon flight #4 that never was. Where did I get the information that there was no such thing as Project Mogul balloon flight #4 on June 4, 1947? From the U.S. Air Force's own report that featured the Project Mogul balloon records of A.P. Crary.

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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
What the current crop of UFO nuts don't understand is that the UFO scares of the late 1940s through to the 1970s were happening at the time of the Cold War. People were building nuclear fallout shelters in their yards. There was the Pueblo Incident, the Bay of Pigs, the Cuban Missile Crisis, the shooting down of Gary Francis Powers' U2 over the Soviet Union. These were scary times.

I am pretty much convinced that many of the "genuine" UFO sightings (that is ones where an actual flying machine was seen by many witnesses), were secret aircraft being tested. Many reported triangular/chevron shaped machines... the B2 bomber was developed over many years, and its distant predecessors the Northrop XB-35 and YB-49 had been flying since June 1946 and October 1947 respectively.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/wx2xlpy2eo...XB-35.jpg?dl=1
Northrop XB-35

https://www.dropbox.com/s/m5bb9c976z...YB-49.jpg?dl=1
Northrop YB-49

Having these triangular/chevron shaped aircraft flying in the US mid-southwest, and having people report seeing triangular/chevron shaped UFOs in the same area over the same time period seems too much of a coincidence to be ignored.

I have to disagree and rightly so. Triangular UFOs were reported during the 1800's and two triangular were reported hovering above clouds in April 1912.

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Wiltshire (England) on 8th April 1912, Charles Tilden Smith observed two dark triangular objects cast shadows onto the clouds overhead. Although the clouds were moving rapidly the "shadows" remained stationary and the objects seemed to be very large.

The sighting lasted in excess of thirty minutes and because of the angle and the changing position of the Sun it became apparent that there must have been an additional light source for the "shadows" to remain stationary.

http://www.thewhyfiles.net/triangle.htm

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Understanding Triangular UFOs Since 19th Century

Many people believe that aerospace engineering has been producing triangle UFOs but it was in 1890 the first triangle UFO was first recorded in the Dutch East Indies. Then in 1894 a flying triangular object was reported in England. These two notable events were featured in the popular book The Book of the Damned [Amazon link], by Charles Fort, published in 1919.

http://www.latest-ufo-sightings.net/...fos-since.html

In regard to the 'Flying Wing' out of Edwards AFB, did you know that Muroc AFB, which was later named, Edwards AFB, had experienced flying saucers in the general area during roughly the same time frame when a report hit the news wires that a flying saucer was recovered near Roswell. Ther following report was taken from official Air Force files.


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MUROC AFB INCIDENT, CALIFORNIA

July 8, 1947

Series of sightings over MUROC AFB and Rogers Dry Lake, secret test base, California:

Morning: Two spherical or disc-like UFOs joined by a third object. (XII)

Crew of technicians saw white-aluminum UFO with distinct oval outline descending,

moving against wind, (II).

Afternoon: Thin "metallic" UFO climbed, dove, oscillated over field, also seen by test pilot in vicinity.

(XII)

F-51 pilot watched a flat object "of light-reflecting nature" pass above his plane. No

known aircraft were in the area. (XII)

Section II: Technicians at Secret Test Base Observe Mechanical UFO

At Muroc AFB (now Edwards AFB) and adjacent Rogers Dry Lake, scientists and engineers test and develop the latest aircraft, including secret projects. Althoroughly familiar with anything that flies, the base technical personnel had no explanation for the UFOs which maneuvered over the area July 8, 1947. Twice that morning, disc-shaped objects were observed cavorting overhead. Then about 11:50 AM, a crew of technicians at Rogers saw a round white, apparently metallic object descending, moving west nortwest against the wind. They observed thick projections on top which crossed each other at intervals, suggesting either rotation or oscillation. In their official report they stated:

http://www.nuforc.org/Muroc.html

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Of course, but y'know, some people just want to believe. If the government came out tomorrow and claimed responsibility for all of this, some people would see that as yet another cover-up. Once you're down the rabbit hole, it's not so easy to get back out again, unless you actually want to.

How about the classified Air Force EOTS report of 1948?

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U.S. Air Force, ATIC, Wright-Patterson AFB, Estimate of the Situation (EOTS), 1948

Conclusion: The objects are "Interplanetary Spaceships"

Which was confirmed by another report in 1952.


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Conclusion UFOs Are Space Ships Given SAC in 1952

A 1952 evaluation of "flying saucers" as interplanetary devices, sent to Strategic Air Command Headquarters from MacDill AFB, has been disclosed to NICAP

Here's a report regarding scientist that were tracking flying saucers over New Mexico.


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And, yet another report.

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MANEUVERED MOTION AND "INTELLIGENT CONTROL

Following the nearly year-long 1952 UFO sighting wave in which there were repeated instances of jet interceptors chasing after UFOs that also showed on radar, the Central Intelligence Agency convened the so-called Robertson Panel to evaluate the data. Among the presentations made to the scientific panel was one by Dewey J. Fournet (USAF, Ret.) who had worked with scientific analysts conducting a rigorous motion analysis study of hardcore unexplained cases.

Edward J. Ruppelt, former Chief of the Air Force Project Blue Book investigation, later reported that the study was "very hot and very controversial...[it] was hot because it wasn't official and the reason it wasn't official was because it was so hot. It concluded that UFOs were interplanetary spaceships."

Air Force analysts had reached this conclusion before. Project Sign in 1948 had issued a Top Secret Estimate of the Situation drawing the same conclusion. (Hall, 1964, p. 110) But both times outside scientific consultants, on the basis of what were arguably superficial and excessively skeptical reviews, disputed the conclusion. (Hall, 1988, pp. 155-163)

Many of these jet interception cases included a sort of "cat-and-mouse" behavior on the part of the UFOs, pulling away from the pursuing jets and then slowing down until they caught up again. This behavior has been repeated throughout the history of UFOs, and is one of the many indicators of intelligence behind the phenomenon. Case after case can be cited of UFOs apparently playing interactive games with (a) military aircraft

http://www.nicap.org/eth/motionstudy_ruppelt_orig.htm

What many people are unaware of, there were two, not one, but two saucers involved in the Roswell incident. In fact, here's a document that a weather device be used to coverup the downed saucers near Roswell.

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Happy UFO Anniversary Day! This is the 70th anniversary of Kenneth Arnold's sighting of nine Unidentified Flying Objects flying in a line near Mt. Rainier in Washington State, US.

He described them as looking something like shiny saucers, and some journalists called them "flying saucers". The US Air Force got into investigating them because some of them might have been secret Russian airplanes. The USAF's initial secrecy about it ended up provoking coverup conspiracy theories, but it was the USAF that invented the term Unidentified Flying Object or UFO as an alternative for "flying saucer".

I can safety tell you that the so-called "flying saucers" are not of this world. In fact, my former base, (Hill AFB, UT) was involved UFO investigations where UFOs affected our Minuteman missiles because the base was the depot for the Minuteman missile. The Boeing tech rep assigned to my base confirmed that an incident at Malmstrom AFB was being reported as a UFO case. Before I was assigned to Hill AFB, I personally saw an object pass over my base at Phan Rang airbase, Vietnam in 1968. Years later, General George S. Brown confirmed that UFOs were in fact, overflying Vietnam during the time of my sighting.

After I left Hill AFB, I became a UFO researcher and was shocked at what I was uncovering in regard to UFOs. I even found that we have tracked UFOs as they arrived from deep space, which was confirmed to me personally by Ron Regehr, who was an engineer of Aerojet and who was instrumental in the development of the DSP surveillance satellite. I later learned that our space surveillance systems have tracked UFOs in space hundreds of times annually, but the reports are kept from the eyes of the public.
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And similarly, UFO enthusiasts use the fact that the military investigated reports of UFOs as evidence that they take the possibility of extraterrestrial origin seriously. What they took seriously was the possibility of unidentified, and therefore potentially belonging to a foreign power, objects in their airspace.

The Air Force has already confirmed the UFOs in question are not of this earth.

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http://www.thelivingmoon.com/49ufo_f...s/1952_007.jpg

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INTRODUCTORY SPACE SCIENCE - VOLUME II
CHAPTER XXXIII
UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS
DEPARTMENT OF PHYSICS - USAF
UNITED STATES AIR FORCE ACADEMY


F-86 Encounter With A Flying Saucer
U. S. Air Force Academy


We too have fired on UFO's. About ten o'clock one morning, a radar site near a fighter base picked up a UFO doing 700 mph. The UFO then slowed to 100 mph, and two F-86's were scrambled to intercept. Eventually one F-86 closed on the UFO at about 3,000 feet altitude.

The UFO began to accelerate away but the pilot still managed to get within 500 yards of the target for a short period of time. It was definitely saucer-shaped. As the pilot pushed the F-86 at top speed, the UFO began to pull away.

When the range reached 1,000 yards, the pilot armed his guns and fired in an attempt to down the saucer. He failed, and the UFO pulled away rapidly, vanishing in the distance.

http://www.cufon.org/cufon/afu.htm

Not many people are aware that on January 22, 1958, flying saucer reality was about to be revealed on live TV. However, CBS pulled the audio and only the people in the audience heard the rest of the story.


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What Happen On the CBS Program, The Armstrong Circle Star Theater, On January 22, 1958?

"1958 Major Donald Keyhoe, Director of the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomenon (NICAP), appeared as a guest on the "Armstrong Circle Theater Show." He had planned to make an announcement about what the United States government knew about UFOs. He began by stating, "And now I'm going to reveal something that has never been disclosed before...for the last six months we have been working with a congressional committee investigating official secrecy about UFOs..." At that moment the producer of the show (CBS) cut the audio and the public was not able to hear the remainder of Major Keyhoe's statement. Later it was determined to have been done because of pressure from Air Force "spokesmen" in the interest of national security."

The CBS response letter.


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Oh wait, there is the doorbell. That will be the FedEx guy delivering my weekly cheque from Area 51 Skunkworks Admin....

I am very sure the Skunkworks was not responsible for these UFO reports.

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Location. Visalia, California
Date: April 18 1896
Time: Daytime

Summary: disc was reported
Source: Eberhart, George M. A Geo-Bibliography of Anomalies Greenwood Press, Westport, 1980 ISBN:0-313-21337-2

12 August 1133 - Japan - An object was sighted that had an appearance and performance beyond the capability of known earthly aircraft. An unidentifiable object was observed at close range.
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Saturday, July 8, 2017, marks the 70th anniversary of the Muroc AFB and Rogers Dry Lake saucer overflights and also on July 8, 1947, Roswell Army Air Field (RAAF) public information officer Walter Haut issued a press release stating that personnel from the field's 509th Operations Group had recovered a "flying disc", which had crashed on a ranch near Roswell.

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Muroc AFB Incident
Muroc, California
July 8, 1947


Series of sightings over MUROC AFB and Rogers Dry Lake, secret test base, California:

July 8, 1947; Muroc AAF

9:45 a.m. (PDT). AAF 1st Lt. Joseph C. McHenry, T/Sgt Joseph Ruvolo, S/Sgt Gerald E. Nauman, and Miss Jannette Marie Scotte at 10:00 a.m., saw two saucer or disc shaped objects, silver and apparently metallic, fly a wide circular pattern [?] at about 7500-8000 ft at 350-400 mph heading 320° (about NW) toward Mojave, Calif. Before the first 2 objects disappeared a 3rd similar disc or spherical silver object reflecting sunlight was seen, with additional 5 witnesses, to the N flying tight circles at about 7,000-8,000 ft beyond capability of known aircraft, maintaining altitude. No sound or trails. 3-4 mins. [See sightings at Muroc later in the day and previous day.]

July 8, 1947; Muroc AAF
11:50 a.m.-12 noon. AAF experimental test pilot Capt. John Paul Strapp, Mr. Lenz from Wright Field and 2 others in an observation truck at Area 3 of Rogers Dry Lake for a P-82 ejection seat test saw a round silver or aluminum-white object at first thought to be a parachute, about 25 ft wide, falling from a height below the 20,000 ft of the test aircraft at 3x the rate for an ejection seat test, drifting horizontally toward Mt. Wilson (to the S) at less than 50-80 mph, which when close to horizon appeared to have an oval outline with 2 thick fins or knobs on the upper surface which seemed to rotate or oscillate, no propellers, slowly disappearing below the mountain tops in the distance after 90 secs.

July 8. 1947; Muroc AAF
Noon. Others witnesses independently, including Muroc CO Col. Signa A. Gilkey and engineer Major Richard R. Shoop and wife saw from a different location 5-8 miles away to the N [?] the apparently same falling object, thin metallic aluminum colored and the size of a pursuit aircraft [50 ft?], reflecting sunlight and oscillating, descend to ground level, then rise again and move slowly off in the distance for a total of 8 mins. No sound or trail. [See sightings at Muroc earlier and later in the day and previous day.] 8-mins. (FOIA; Vallée Magonia 60)

July 8, 1947; 40 miles S of Muroc AAF
4 p.m. Exactly four hours later the pilot of an F-51 was flying at 20,000 feet about 40 miles south of Muroc Air Base when he sighted a "flat object of a light reflecting nature." He reported that it had no vertical fin or wings. When he first saw it, the object was above him and he tried to climb up to it, but his F-51 would not climb high enough. All air bases in the area were contacted but they had no aircraft in the area.

CONFIDENTIAL

HEADQUARTERS MUROC ARMY AIR FIELD
OFFICE OF THE COMMANDING OFFICER
MUROC, CALIFORNIA
jsr/TAM
14 August 1947
SUBJECT: Investigation of "Flying Discs"

TO: Commanding General
Headquarters Fourth Air Force
Hamilton Field,
San Francisco, California

ATTEN: AC of S, A-2
1: In compliance with your LEAD SHEET dated 6 August 1947, subject, Investigation of "Flying Saucers", the enclosed statements are submitted for your information.
signed

HARRY. D. BLACK
Captain, MAC,
Intelligence Officer

Inc. 1-8 Statements Re: "Flying Discs"

CONFIDENTIAL

CONFIDENTIAL
A F F I D A V I T

CONFIDENTIAL

HEADQUARTERS FOURTH AIR FORCE

Office of the Assistant Chief of Staff, A-2
Intelligence
Hamilton Field, California

TITLE Investigation of Flying Disc. INVESTIGATION MADE AT: Muroc AAF, Muroc, Calif.

CONTROLLING OFFICE Air Defense Command, Mitchel Field.
FILE No. 1208-I PERIOD COVERED 8 July 1947
CASE CLASSIFICATION Incident
DATE 18 August 1947 STATUS OF CASE Pending

REASON FOR INVESTIGATION: Investigation initiated at request of Air Defense Command reference ltr Hq ADC, dtd 7 Jul 47, file D333.5 ID, subj: Investigation of Flying Disc.

SYNOPSIS:

On 8 July 1947, approximately 1000 hours, two incidents occurred in the vicinity of Muroc Flight Test Base.

No further investigation of these incidents is being considered by this headquarters.

Regarding Roswell and General Arthur E. Exon, General Exon was the Air Force officer who overflew both Roswell crash sites and confirmed both crash sites. He would eventually become the Commanding Officer of Wright-Patterson AFB, OH.

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Originally Posted by skyeagle409 View Post
Just to let you know that there was no Project Mogul balloon flight #4 on June 4, 1947 and I have reviewed Project Mogul balloon files to prove my point. Let's also remember that Project Mogul balloons were typical research balloons...
You may want to factor this into your research.
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You may want to factor this into your research.

That link you've posted is part of the Roswell cover-up. For an example, it mentions Charles Moore, so I am posting the following from the link you've provided.


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Charles B. Moore: Project Mogul Scientist

Recently, Charles B. Moore, one of three surviving Project Mogul scientists identified in and interviewed for the Air Force report, spoke to the New Mexicans for Science and Reason (NMSR) in Albuquerque. He discussed the background of the project, the New York University (NYU) balloon flights, and the Roswell connection. He provided new details that would appear to virtually clinch the idea that the debris Brazel found was indeed from one of the Project Mogul flights that Moore helped launch.

Did you know that Charles B. Moore was one of the Project Mogul balloon scientist who tracked a flying saucer with his instrument over New Mexico? The story behind Charles B. Moore's tracking of a flying saucer was also written up in LIFE magazine.


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INCIDENT 3

On April 24,1949 at 10:20 a.m., a group of five technicians under the general supervision of J. Gordon Vaeth, an aeronautical engineer employed by the Office of Naval Research, were preparing to launch a Skyhook balloon near Arrey, N. Mex. A small balloon was sent up first to check the weather. Charles B. Moore Jr., an aerologist of General Mills Inc. (pioneers in cosmic ray research) was tracking the weather balloon through a theodolite -- a 25-power telescopic instrument, which gives degrees of azimuth and elevation (horizontal and vertical position) for any object it is sighted on. At 10:30 a.m. Moore leaned back from the theodolite to glance at the balloon with his naked eye. Suddenly he saw a whitish elliptical object, apparently much higher than the balloon, and moving, in the opposite direction. At once he picked the object up in his theodolite at 45 degrees of elevation and 210 degrees of azimuth, and tracked it east at the phenomenal rate of 5 degrees of azimuth-change per second as it dropped swiftly to an elevation of 25 degrees. The object appeared to be an ellipsoid roughly two and a half times as long as it was wide. Suddenly it swung abruptly upward and rushed out of sight in a few seconds. Moore had tracked it for about 60 seconds altogether. The other members of his crew confirmed his report. No sound was heard, no vapor trail was seen.

The object, according to rough estimations by Moore and his colleagues, was about 56 miles above the earth, 100 feet long and was traveling at seven miles per second.

EVALUATION

No known optical or atmospheric phenomenon fits the facts. A natural object traveling at seven miles per second has never been seen to make a sudden upward turn. There is no known or projected source of silent, vaporless power for such a machine. No human being could have borne the tremendous "G" load brought to bear on the craft during its abrupt vertical veer.

Here is a letter, which highlights Charles B. Moore tracking of a flying saucer and he was also head of Project Mogul and that is very significant because the letter is unclassified.


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In other words Project Mogul is mentioned in an unclassified letter which means that Project Mogul was not classified "Top Secret." In fact, Project Mogul experiments were reported in newspapers around the country.


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Stratosphere Atom Explosions Probed

PRINCETON, N.J., July 12. (AP) A group of Princeton University scientists sent into the stratosphere today a flight of instrument-bearing balloons to measure atomic explosions induced by cosmic rays.

Dr. Henry De Wolf Smyth, director of the Naval Research program sponsoring the flight, said the cosmic explosions were similar to those which produced the atomic bomb, but were single explosions and not a chain reaction as in the bomb.

He explained that the atomic explosions are natural phenomena similar to atomic explosions induced artificially by the cyclotron.

The 28 balloons, in several clusters secured by nylon rope, carried 17 pounds of instruments, and were expected to reach a height of 20 miles.

Princeton Herald, July 18

Experiment With Helium Filled Balloons
Is Called "Successful"; Rise Twenty Miles


Last Saturday morning physicists at Princeton University released a 325-foot chain of 28 helium filled balloons in an attempt to transport seventeen pounds of electronic equipment to a height of twenty miles. Scientific apparatus, encased in cellophane, was sent aloft to record nuclear explosions induced by cosmic rays, and also to record electronically the barometers pressure and temperature during the flight.

While the balloons are on the ascent, a telemetering system transmits signals back to a ground receiver station on Campus. The signal strength will inform the Palmer Laboratory scientist of the frequency of the nuclear explosions caused by cosmic rays passing through the ionization chamber.


New York Herald Tribune, July 13

28 Balloons Fail To Send Reports on Cosmic Rays
--Attain 20-Mile Altitude, but Equipment Does Not Give Nuclear Explosion Data

Special to the Herald Tribune


Princeton, N.J., July 12. A chain of twenty-eight balloons was released to an altitude of 100,000 feet here today in the search for information about nuclear explosions induced by cosmic rays, but the balloon-borne equipment did not come through with the desired results.

The action of cosmic rays was to be recorded as the rays passed through a sealed ionization chamber filled with argon gas. But the Naval Ordnance Laboratory on the Princeton University campus said this afternoon, the chamber failed when trouble developed in part of the mechanism.

http://roswellproof.homestead.com/Princeton_July12.html

In other words, the public was well aware of Project Mogul experiments during the 1940's because Project Mogul balloon trains were simply research balloons and were not classified.


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I hope the clears the air that Project Mogul balloons were just research balloons that were not classified. It goes to show how effective the Air Force and Charles B. Moore have been at misleading the public on Project Mogul because there was no such thing as a Project Mogul balloon flight #4 on June 4, 1947 and Charles B. Moore and the Air Force knew that no such flight occurred.

Here is a photo of a downed balloon train and notice that it looks nothing like a flying saucer.


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PRINCETON --- The equipment attached to a chain of 28 balloons set aloft here by the Naval Ordnance Laboratory on the Princeton University campus was recovered yesterday in Essex County and returned to the university for further study of the results of the experiment.

Despite the failure of the equipment to function perfectly because of a mechanical defect, Dr. Lloyd G. Lewis, in charge of the ascension, said he considered the experiment successful in that the instruments had remained well above 85,000 feet for more than three hours, and had been recovered for further study.

The purpose of the experiment was to obtain information about nuclear explosions induced by cosmic rays, and the work is being done by Princeton University for the Office of Naval Research. The equipment, which, it was feared, might be carried out to sea, was found by Ben Thompson of Haskell, N. J., and Fred Hammond of Sussex, N. J., and turned over to the State Police Headquarters in Essex County, whence it was sent here.

http://roswellproof.homestead.com/Princeton_July12.html

To sum it up, Charles B. Moore was head of Project Mogul and he and his fellow scientist have reported tracking flying saucers. In addition, Project Mogul balloons were research balloons and not classified and sometimes were recovered by civilians for rewards.

I knew that Air Force lied in its Roswell report about Project Mogul because there was no Project Mogul balloon flight #4 on June 4, 1947. The reason being is that on June 4, 1947, it was a cloudy day and there was a stipulation between the balloon team and the CAA (later the FAA) that no Project Mogul balloon trains be launched if there was a cloud layer because of the safety hazard they posed to aircraft. A Project Mogul balloon flight was also cancelled on June 3, 1947 for the same reason.

Charles B. Moore was a believer, yet he worked with the Air Force to debunked the Roswell incident as a mistaken identity of a Project Mogul balloon train #4 that never was and Moore knew that there was no such thing a Project Mogul balloon flight #4 and he never mentioned in the Air Force report that he was one of the Project Mogul balloon scientist who tracked a flying saucer.

I hope this post makes clear how Moore and the Air Force worked together to dupe the public on Project Mogul and the Roswell incident.

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You may want to factor this into your research.

I also wanted to bring up this picture. Notice the condition of the wrapping paper.

http://www.truthseekeratroswell.com/...crc=4056236855


That is not indicative of wrapping paper brought in from the Foster ranch. General Thomas Dubose, one of the officers who posed with the debris in Ramey's office has stated that the debris was not what was recovered from the Foster ranch.

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Brig. Gen. Thomas Dubose

"There was a host of people descending on our headquarters seeking information from Ramey, badgering him for information we didn't have.

I didn't know what it was. Blanchard [base commander at Roswell] didn't know. Ramey didn't know... We didn't know what the hell it was. Nobody knew. But I can tell you this — it damn sure wasn't a weather balloon. ...McMullen said, Look, why don't you come up with something, anything you can use to get the press off our back? So we came up with this weather balloon story, which I thought was a hell of a good idea.

Somebody got one and we ran it up a couple of hundred feet and dropped it to make it look like it crashed, and that's what we used... Now I imagine, privately, some people felt bad about doing things that way. But it worked. The story stuck."


http://devoid.blogs.heraldtribune.co...-truths/?tc=ar


AFFIDAVIT

(1) My name is Thomas Jefferson Dubose

(2) My address is: XXXXXXXXXX

(3) I retired from the U.S. Air force in 1959 with the rank of Brigadier General.

(4) In July 1947, I was stationed at Fort Worth Army Air Field [later Carswell Air Force Base] in Fort Worth, Texas. I served as Chief of Staff to Major General Roger Ramey, Commander, Eight Air Force. I had the rank of Colonel.

(5) In early July, I received a phone call from Maj. Gen. Clements McMullen, Deputy Commander, Strategic Air Command. He asked what we knew about the object which had been recovered outside Roswell, New Mexico, as reported in the press. I called Col. William Blanchard, Commander of the Roswell Army Air Field and directed him to send the material in a sealed container to me at Fort Worth. I so informed Maj. Gen. McMullen.

(6) After the plane from Roswell arrived with the material, I asked the Base Commander, Col. Al Clark, to take possession of the material and to personally transport it in a B-26 to Maj. Gen. McMullen in Washington, D.C. I notified Maj. Gen. McMullen, and he told me he would send the material by personal courier on his plane to Benjamin Chidlaw, Commanding General of the Air Material Command at Wright Field [later Wright Patterson AFB]. The entire operation was conducted under the strictest secrecy.

(7) The material shown in the photographs taken in Maj. Gen. Ramey's office was a weather balloon. The weather balloon explanation for the material was a cover story to divert the attention of the press.

(8) I have not been paid or given anything of value to make this statement, which is the truth to the best of my recollection.

Signed: T. J. Dubose
Date: 9/16/91

Signature witnessed by:
Linda R. Split
Notary Public, State of Florida

http://www.roswellproof.com/dubose.html

The weather balloon rawin device shown in the photos taken in Ramey's office was taken off the shelf and deliberately destroyed and placed on the floor before a photographer was called in as a means to deceive the public and the deception worked because there were a number of people who actually believed that is what the military recovered on the Foster ranch (recovery of a weather balloon rawin device.

Now, let's take a look at recovered rawin devices and notice the difference between the condition of the rawin device in Ramey's office vs. actual photos of recovered rawin devices.

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As you can see, recovered rawin devices do not look anything like the rawin device in Ramey's officer, which confirms what General Dubose has said in regard to obtaining a rawin device and destroying the object to facilitate the Roswell cover-up.


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Hmm... nothing more recent than 1983, I notice.
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Hmm... nothing more recent than 1983, I notice.

Everybody was saying mean things about them.

Their feelings were hurt, so they loaded up their saucers and went home.
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Yeah - I don't know why I picked 1983, actually. Most of the "evidence" being presented is from the 1940s.
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Yeah - I don't know why I picked 1983, actually. Most of the "evidence" being presented is from the 1940s.

Actually, there have been many UFO reports since 1983. Let's take the case of Japan Airlines 1628 where multiple saucers flew near the B-747, one of which was described by the captain as larger than two aircraft carriers, and I might add that his size estimate was confirmed by ground-based radar as radar controllers watched the huge object track the Japan Airlines 1628.

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The Alaskan FAA Investigator's Summary

The FAA had kept a great deal of data on the incident including all the positional radar data, an actual video recording of the radar screen, and all the audio records from both calls to the military base, including the conversations with Captain Kenju Terauchi, the pilot of flight 1628 (recorded as the event transpired). The FAA investigator assigned to the case, John Callahan, investigated the incident in depth and put on a ‘dog and pony show’ for a small group representatives from several branches of the US Government, and handed over all copies of the data collect to the appropriate officials. What slipped passed those official’s knowledge, was that Mr. Callahan had all the original documents in a box under his desk, and there they sat for several years, available to anyone interested in the case. It should be understood, that John Callahan remains truthful and willing to cooperate in any way with any inquiries on the subject of JAL flight 1628.

"As the Division Manager for the FAA Washington headquarters Accidents, Evaluation and Investigations, I was responsible for the quality of air traffic service provided to the FAA users." Mr. Callahan states. "When informed of the ‘UFO incident involving a Japanese B747 in the Alaskan region’

I ordered the RADAR recorded data and voice tapes flown to the FAA Technical Center in Atlantic City, New Jersey for evaluation and analysis by both FAA Hardware and Software experts.

After reviewing the play back of the event on a controller’s scope, referred to as a ‘PVD’ and receiving a detailed analysis of the incident, I briefed the FAA Administrator and members of President Reagan’s scientific staff, CIA, etc. on the following information:

During the play back of the event I observed a primary radar target in the position reported by the Japanese pilot. The intermittent primary target stayed in close proximately to the B747 for approximately 31 minutes. Both the FAA controller and military NORAD controller reported observing the RADAR return of the ‘UFO’ target on their ‘scopes.’

(All known aircraft are programed in the FAA computer systems ‘Run Length’ table.)

At the conclusion of the hand-off briefing the CIA advised they were ‘confiscating all the data, this event never happened, we were never here and you are all sworn to secrecy.’ They also advised they would not notify the media as it would only ‘scare’ the public.

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Originally Posted by skyeagle409 View Post
Actually, there have been many UFO reports since 1983. Let's take the case of Japan Airlines 1628 where multiple saucers flew near the B-747, one of which was described by the captain as larger than two aircraft carriers, and I might add that his size estimate was confirmed by ground-based radar as radar controllers watched the huge object track the Japan Airlines 1628.

I think it is clear to everyone that all the UFO sightings reported after 1983 were actually false flag, staged events as part of a conspiracy between the USAF, the CIA, and the FAA to try to convince people that the aliens hadn't really all left.

It's an easy deception, since in their heart-of-hearts people didn't want them to be gone.

This is why E.T. was marketed as a tragedy, even though it was clearly a documentary.
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Everybody was saying mean things about them.

Their feelings were hurt, so they loaded up their saucers and went home.

We can take a trip to Belgium in 1990.


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Now, let's take a look at the military briefing


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THE F-16 RADAR

Events during the Belgian UFO wave involved the use of F-16A interceptors to locate UFOs. The planes were equipped with a Doppler type search and tracking radar system. In 1990, the common radar system in use was the AN/APG-66 for F-16s (Note: Some of the descriptions are based on the AN/APG-68 data – a more advanced radar for the F-16 but the operations are similar to the AN/APG-66). The radar has several modes of operation. They are RWS (Range while search), TWS (Track while scan), VS (Velocity search), and ACM (Air Combat Mode). Each is used under various conditions:

RWS - Can sweep in three arcs (120, 60, and 20 degrees) with the nose of the aircraft being the center of the arc. The RWS mode is the primary search mode but the aircraft can only sweep above and below the nose a distance of about 5 degrees. This can be adjusted but the maximum height of the beam is no greater than this. When the target is displayed on the scope, we see a horizontal line that shows the artificial horizon and two vertical bars that show the width of the beam (in the full sweep of 120, the bars are all the way out to the sides). The only information presented by the radar at this point is the heading of the aircraft and the altitude of the target. As the beam sweeps back and forth, the targets appear as blocks. Each new block will show the present location of the target. Older blocks will fade away after three sweeps. These fading blocks are called "target histories". For one target, one may see the block from the most recent sweep and three others from previous sweeps. This gives the pilot a visual feel for what the target is doing in relation to his aircraft.

In RWS, a target can be tracked "locked" but only one. This is called the SAM (Situation Awareness mode). The sweep of the arc will decrease but the beam continues to sweep. The target now appears on the HUD

TWS - Has two arcs (50 and 20 degrees). In RWS, only one target can be tracked. In TWS, up to 16 targets can be tracked. The beam continues to sweep through its arc and up and down. The targets are designated by the radar computer and updated without histories being displayed. The disadvantage of the TWS is that it can lose targets more readily than RWS.

VS works to determine the "closure rate" and will display this on the radar screen. It has the same sweep arcs as the RWS mode.

ACM is something completely different. It is used to point or "cue" weapons systems. The scan in the four ACM modes are:

HUD - 30 X 20 degree scan area

Vertical scan - 10 X 60 degree scan area

Slewable scan - movable 20 X 60 degree scan area

Boresight scan - narrow beam pointed out the nose of the aircraft.

In all cases, when a target enters the ACM sweep area, the F-16 radar locks onto it.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-_CswUq6N4M...presconxk1.jpg

http://www.cohenufo.org/Belgian%20UF...es/belf16a.jpg

http://www.cohenufo.org/Belgian%20UF...es/belf16b.jpg

http://www.cohenufo.org/Belgian%20UF...es/belf16c.jpg

The radar data shows that the UFO was playing a "cat and mouse" game with both F-16's.

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Originally Posted by skyeagle409 View Post
We can take a trip to Belgium in 1990.





Now, let's take a look at the military briefing





The radar data shows that the UFO was playing a "cat and mouse game with both F-16's.

Obviously the Belgians are in on it too.

"Hands across the water." and all that.
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Originally Posted by quadraginta View Post
I think it is clear to everyone that all the UFO sightings reported after 1983 were actually false flag, staged events as part of a conspiracy between the USAF, the CIA, and the FAA to try to convince people that the aliens hadn't really all left.

They haven't left, they are still here and it is because the public is not aware of what is occurring in the skies currently or behind the closed doors of the government. However, there are now hundreds of military and government officials who want that reality to made public and are willing to testify before Congress. Over the past number of years, the government has been slowly declassifying and releasing UFO documents which are now available to the public under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) and I might add that some of the UFO reports are chilling, especially incidents involving our missiles, bombers and civilian aircraft.


Here is another account involving Japan Airlines 1628, a KC-135 tanker and an Alaska Airline Flt 53. ATC tape playback included.


UFO Encounter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYfGTOo7X-8

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Originally Posted by skyeagle409 View Post
They haven't left, they are still here and it is because the public is not aware of what is occurring in the skies currently or behind the closed doors of the government. However, there are now hundreds of military and government officials who want that reality to made public and are willing to testify before Congress. Over the past number of years, the government has been slowly declassifying and releasing UFO documents which are now available to the public under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) and I might add that some of the UFO reports are chilling, especially incidents involving our missiles, bombers and civilian aircraft.


Here is another account involving Japan Airlines 1628, a KC-135 tanker and an Alaska Airline Flt 53. ATC tape playback included.


UFO Encounter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYfGTOo7X-8

This is all just more evidence of how thorough and effective their disinformation campaign to make people believe the aliens are still here has been.

Truly awesome in scale and attention to detail.
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Old 9th July 2017, 04:54 PM   #32
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When I read here about the triangular shaped UFOs, I immediately thought of a kite.

Now I see they used "weather kites", and they have a suspiciously triangular shape to them.

You've got a page here full of old photos and reports that could take days to pour through. Why does it have to be so difficult?

There must be a billion camera phones on this planet, not to mention security cameras. Show me a clear picture of a gawdamn UFO already, or an interview with bigfoot, or a unicorn. All of this "Where's Waldo" bullcrap is tiresome.

Our government, the one who can't even write a memo without it being hacked, is somehow masterminding the biggest secret in the planet's history and has done so successfully for 70 years. Funny. That would be more amazing than any UFO.
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Old 9th July 2017, 05:19 PM   #33
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This is all just more evidence of how thorough and effective their disinformation campaign to make people believe the aliens are still here has been.
Actually, government disinformation is used to cover-up the fact that aliens are still here and let's remember, countries around the world have begun releasing their own UFO case files and some of their reports are very chilling including those from Russia.

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Soviet nukes and UFOs

http://www.openminds.tv/wp-content/u...in-Yar-doc.jpg

"For a short time," retired Air Force Colonel Boris Sokolov told ABC TV News Moscow correspondent David Ensor, "signal lights on both the control panels suddenly turned on, the lights showing that missiles were preparing for launching. This could normally only happen if an order was transmitted from Moscow." As director of the Ministry of Defense's effort for "research into the field of anomalous phenomena in the atmosphere and in outer space," Sokolov became a member of the four-man commission set up to investigate the so-called Usovo case.

That was back in the early '80s when the missile targets were located in America, former KGB Director Yuri Andropov was General Secretary, and Ronald Reagan was denouncing the USSR as "the evil empire." Today, of course, it's a different story. The missile base was closed in the early 90s with the end of the cold war, the Ukraine is an independent country, and military witnesses are free to talk, sometimes. So we are lucky to have the official deposition of Major M. Davidovich Kataman, senior assistant of the commander of the Military Unit 52035's communication service, in charge of the computerized control panels for the long-range nuclear missiles at the Usovo base. Major Kataman did not see the UFOs flying above because he was, at the time, on shift in the underground bunker. But what he did see was, militarily speaking, the stuff of nightmares in his line of work.

Major Kataman wrote in his deposition that, "on the 4th of October 1982 at 21:37, I observed spontaneous illumination of all displays: BR, P, Sh, DR, GP, SR, PR, CZ, BT, NBT, GP, message, GB message, PP, PS, OR, PNS, Z, PZG, PZNS, figure indicators as in the regime 'light marks' at first push on the information board." Confusing as this sounds—and the difficulties of translation notwithstanding (1)—the Major is implying that someone or something was apparently manipulating the series of precise control codes, four spaces and control code combination, which regulate the computerized missile control launch panel. His deposition added that, "testing of apparatus and measurement of parameters according to technical map 1-30 showed no defects. The apparatus was functioning normally," that is, before and after the strange "illumination of all displays."

According to the ABC-TV News Prime Time Live segment "KGB UFO Files," which was broadcast on October 6, 1994, "for 15 agonizing seconds, the base lost control of its nuclear weapons; what happened here on this day has never been explained." ABC also interviewed two witnesses to the 1982 sighting: a civilian from Byelokovoriche and Lt. Col. Vladimir Platunov. Lt. Col. Platunov described the object as "… just like a flying saucer, the way they show them in the movies, no portholes, no nothing. The surface was absolutely even, the disc made a beautiful turn…on the edge, just like a plane. It [made] no sound. I had never seen anything like that before."

http://www.openminds.tv/soviet-nukes-and-ufos

The US government is well aware of what happened in 1938, the Robertson Report and the Brookings Institute's warning to NASA in 1960. Since then, the open doors of the government has been slowing closing.


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SPACE-LIFE REPORT COULD BE SHOCK

Vol. I, No. II (Dec 1960 - Jan 1961 issue)

The discovery of intelligent space beings could have a severe effect on the public, according to a research report released by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. The report warned that America should prepare to meet the psychological impact of such a revelation.

The 190-page report was the result of a $96,000 one-year study conducted by the Brookings Institution for NASA's long-range study committee.

Public realization that intelligent beings live on other planets could bring about profound changes, or even the collapse of our civilization, the research report stated.

http://www.nicap.org/images/nasa_spacelife.jpg

If you were President of the United States of America and radar data, photo, video, and physical evidence were revealed to you that alien visitation continues to this very day, and taking into an account the 1960 Brookings Institute's letter to NASA, would you go ahead and announce on the evening news and to the world that ET is here and not knowing of what the consequences worldwide may be?

Remember, once Pandora's Box is open, there can be no turning back the clock and your name will connected forever to any dire changes to human civilization. Would you take that chance personally or let someone else handle the job of revealing what you already know?

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Old 9th July 2017, 05:30 PM   #34
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Originally Posted by mgidm86 View Post
When I read here about the triangular shaped UFOs, I immediately thought of a kite.

Now I see they used "weather kites", and they have a suspiciously triangular shape to them.

You've got a page here full of old photos and reports that could take days to pour through. Why does it have to be so difficult?

There must be a billion camera phones on this planet, not to mention security cameras. Show me a clear picture of a gawdamn UFO already, or an interview with bigfoot, or a unicorn. All of this "Where's Waldo" bullcrap is tiresome.

Our government, the one who can't even write a memo without it being hacked, is somehow masterminding the biggest secret in the planet's history and has done so successfully for 70 years. Funny. That would be more amazing than any UFO.

Not many people are aware that over recent years, the US government has been slowly releasing its UFO case files from the National Archives, which will continue right up to where it reaches the Roswell files and files and mission of the military's Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit (IPU) now that the US Army has now confirmed the existence of its Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit. Could it be that the US government is preparing the world for what it already knows about UFOs?

Over the years, files of the IPU have been turned over to the U.S. Air Force.
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I don't think it's aliens. I think it's ghosts, and the governments across the world are covering it all up because they use ghosts as secret agents to spy on us.

I mean, what other possible explanation can there be? It's obvious.
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Originally Posted by mgidm86 View Post
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Our government, the one who can't even write a memo without it being hacked, is somehow masterminding the biggest secret in the planet's history and has done so successfully for 70 years. Funny. That would be more amazing than any UFO.
Somehow I think this part of your post will be glossed over/ignored... unless they claim that Wikileaks is part of the conspiracy, of course.
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
I don't think it's aliens.

Some of our DSP surveillance satellites and deep space ground-based surveillance radars and optical sensors continue to track the objects in space as they enter earth's atmosphere up to 500 times per year, but not many people are aware of those facts.
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
I mean, what other possible explanation can there be? It's obvious.
They are aliens and now, countries around the world are slowly releasing their own UFO files.

One of the most chilling of UFO cases was the Cuban incident where a UFO destroyed a Cuban Mig-21 sent to intercept the object after the pilot locked-up the object. His wingman temporarily went berserk after his leader's aircraft was destroy and it took time for him to compose himself enough to report the aircraft disintegrated as the U. S. Air Force listened on to the encounter from Florida. The tape of the incident was later passed up intelligence channels.

The UFO then shot up to 90,000 feet and headed southward.

I wanted to add that in 1976, the Iranians experienced a similar encounter, whereas, their systems were shutdown in flight in two separate incidents. Only after they turned away from the UFO did their systems return to normal. One F-4 attempted to fire an AIM-9 missile at the UFO but at that instant, his weapon system shutdown. You can find details of the encounter in Department of Defense, Defense Intelligence Agency, and State Department documents of the United States. This incident went all the way up to the White House.

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Originally Posted by skyeagle409 View Post
Actually, government disinformation is used to cover-up the fact that aliens are still here

Sure. That's what they want you to believe.

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and let's remember, countries around the world have begun releasing their own UFO case files and some of their reports are very chilling including those from Russia.

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The extent of the conspiracy is huge. Mind boggling. Multiple countries working in concert to try and convince you that the aliens are still here.

Why, the very size of it is proof enough that it exists.
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OMG!!!!

I ignore a thread for a few days, and when I come back to it, it has been set upon by a genuine, honest to goodness, link-wrestling, wall of text posting UFO conspiracy.....ahem.... enthusiast.

Seriously, I didn't think there were any remotely intelligent people who still believe that Roswell was anything other than a crashed Project Mogul balloon.
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