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Happy 70th UFO Anniversary!
Happy UFO Anniversary Day! This is the 70th anniversary of Kenneth Arnold's sighting of nine Unidentified Flying Objects flying in a line near Mt. Rainier in Washington State, US.
He described them as looking something like shiny saucers, and some journalists called them "flying saucers". The US Air Force got into investigating them because some of them might have been secret Russian airplanes. The USAF's initial secrecy about it ended up provoking coverup conspiracy theories, but it was the USAF that invented the term Unidentified Flying Object or UFO as an alternative for "flying saucer". |
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Also coming up to the 70th anniversary of the mis-identification a Project Mogul surveillance balloon as a UFO at Roswell.
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Yup. Spy balloons were supersecret back then.
That case also illustrates a problem with UFO secrecy: some of the secrecy is because the UFO's are some of *our* stuff that various governments have wanted to keep secret. James Oberg has proposed that, and he has written in detail about The Great Soviet UFO Coverup. So it may not only be the Soviet Union that has done that. |
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He described them as CHEVRON shaped, that moved like saucers skipping on the water.
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Hooray for my state! And hooray that the event is even older than I am!
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And similarly, UFO enthusiasts use the fact that the military investigated reports of UFOs as evidence that they take the possibility of extraterrestrial origin seriously. What they took seriously was the possibility of unidentified, and therefore potentially belonging to a foreign power, objects in their airspace. |
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What the current crop of UFO nuts don't understand is that the UFO scares of the late 1940s through to the 1970s were happening at the time of the Cold War. People were building nuclear fallout shelters in their yards. There was the Pueblo Incident, the Bay of Pigs, the Cuban Missile Crisis, the shooting down of Gary Francis Powers' U2 over the Soviet Union. These were scary times.
I am pretty much convinced that many of the "genuine" UFO sightings (that is ones where an actual flying machine was seen by many witnesses), were secret aircraft being tested. Many reported triangular/chevron shaped machines... the B2 bomber was developed over many years, and its distant predecessors the Northrop XB-35 and YB-49 had been flying since June 1946 and October 1947 respectively. ![]() Northrop XB-35 ![]() Northrop YB-49 Having these triangular/chevron shaped aircraft flying in the US mid-southwest, and having people report seeing triangular/chevron shaped UFOs in the same area over the same time period seems too much of a coincidence to be ignored. |
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Of course, but y'know, some people just want to believe. If the government came out tomorrow and claimed responsibility for all of this, some people would see that as yet another cover-up. Once you're down the rabbit hole, it's not so easy to get back out again, unless you actually want to.
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Just to let you know that there was no Project Mogul balloon flight #4 on June 4, 1947 and I have reviewed Project Mogul balloon files to prove my point. Let's also remember that Project Mogul balloons were typical research balloons and were not classified.
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In fact, Project Mogul balloons were sometimes recovered by civilians for rewards.
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There was another incident where a Project Mogul balloon was left lying next to a roadway where it was eventually vandalized and another case where a Project Mogul balloon became lodged on the roof of a tavern where it was recovered by a policeman.
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Admission that Project Mogul balloon teams were tracking flying saucers over New Mexico.
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I have to disagree and rightly so. Triangular UFOs were reported during the 1800's and two triangular were reported hovering above clouds in April 1912.
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In regard to the 'Flying Wing' out of Edwards AFB, did you know that Muroc AFB, which was later named, Edwards AFB, had experienced flying saucers in the general area during roughly the same time frame when a report hit the news wires that a flying saucer was recovered near Roswell. Ther following report was taken from official Air Force files.
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How about the classified Air Force EOTS report of 1948?
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Which was confirmed by another report in 1952.
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Here's a report regarding scientist that were tracking flying saucers over New Mexico.
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And, yet another report.
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What many people are unaware of, there were two, not one, but two saucers involved in the Roswell incident. In fact, here's a document that a weather device be used to coverup the downed saucers near Roswell.
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I can safety tell you that the so-called "flying saucers" are not of this world. In fact, my former base, (Hill AFB, UT) was involved UFO investigations where UFOs affected our Minuteman missiles because the base was the depot for the Minuteman missile. The Boeing tech rep assigned to my base confirmed that an incident at Malmstrom AFB was being reported as a UFO case. Before I was assigned to Hill AFB, I personally saw an object pass over my base at Phan Rang airbase, Vietnam in 1968. Years later, General George S. Brown confirmed that UFOs were in fact, overflying Vietnam during the time of my sighting. After I left Hill AFB, I became a UFO researcher and was shocked at what I was uncovering in regard to UFOs. I even found that we have tracked UFOs as they arrived from deep space, which was confirmed to me personally by Ron Regehr, who was an engineer of Aerojet and who was instrumental in the development of the DSP surveillance satellite. I later learned that our space surveillance systems have tracked UFOs in space hundreds of times annually, but the reports are kept from the eyes of the public. |
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The Air Force has already confirmed the UFOs in question are not of this earth.
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Not many people are aware that on January 22, 1958, flying saucer reality was about to be revealed on live TV. However, CBS pulled the audio and only the people in the audience heard the rest of the story.
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The CBS response letter. http://www.nicap.org/images/cbs_letter.gif |
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Saturday, July 8, 2017, marks the 70th anniversary of the Muroc AFB and Rogers Dry Lake saucer overflights and also on July 8, 1947, Roswell Army Air Field (RAAF) public information officer Walter Haut issued a press release stating that personnel from the field's 509th Operations Group had recovered a "flying disc", which had crashed on a ranch near Roswell.
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Regarding Roswell and General Arthur E. Exon, General Exon was the Air Force officer who overflew both Roswell crash sites and confirmed both crash sites. He would eventually become the Commanding Officer of Wright-Patterson AFB, OH. |
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You may want to factor this into your research.
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That link you've posted is part of the Roswell cover-up. For an example, it mentions Charles Moore, so I am posting the following from the link you've provided.
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Did you know that Charles B. Moore was one of the Project Mogul balloon scientist who tracked a flying saucer with his instrument over New Mexico? The story behind Charles B. Moore's tracking of a flying saucer was also written up in LIFE magazine.
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Here is a letter, which highlights Charles B. Moore tracking of a flying saucer and he was also head of Project Mogul and that is very significant because the letter is unclassified.
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In other words Project Mogul is mentioned in an unclassified letter which means that Project Mogul was not classified "Top Secret." In fact, Project Mogul experiments were reported in newspapers around the country.
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In other words, the public was well aware of Project Mogul experiments during the 1940's because Project Mogul balloon trains were simply research balloons and were not classified.
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I hope the clears the air that Project Mogul balloons were just research balloons that were not classified. It goes to show how effective the Air Force and Charles B. Moore have been at misleading the public on Project Mogul because there was no such thing as a Project Mogul balloon flight #4 on June 4, 1947 and Charles B. Moore and the Air Force knew that no such flight occurred. Here is a photo of a downed balloon train and notice that it looks nothing like a flying saucer.
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To sum it up, Charles B. Moore was head of Project Mogul and he and his fellow scientist have reported tracking flying saucers. In addition, Project Mogul balloons were research balloons and not classified and sometimes were recovered by civilians for rewards. I knew that Air Force lied in its Roswell report about Project Mogul because there was no Project Mogul balloon flight #4 on June 4, 1947. The reason being is that on June 4, 1947, it was a cloudy day and there was a stipulation between the balloon team and the CAA (later the FAA) that no Project Mogul balloon trains be launched if there was a cloud layer because of the safety hazard they posed to aircraft. A Project Mogul balloon flight was also cancelled on June 3, 1947 for the same reason. Charles B. Moore was a believer, yet he worked with the Air Force to debunked the Roswell incident as a mistaken identity of a Project Mogul balloon train #4 that never was and Moore knew that there was no such thing a Project Mogul balloon flight #4 and he never mentioned in the Air Force report that he was one of the Project Mogul balloon scientist who tracked a flying saucer. I hope this post makes clear how Moore and the Air Force worked together to dupe the public on Project Mogul and the Roswell incident. |
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I also wanted to bring up this picture. Notice the condition of the wrapping paper. http://www.truthseekeratroswell.com/...crc=4056236855 That is not indicative of wrapping paper brought in from the Foster ranch. General Thomas Dubose, one of the officers who posed with the debris in Ramey's office has stated that the debris was not what was recovered from the Foster ranch.
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The weather balloon rawin device shown in the photos taken in Ramey's office was taken off the shelf and deliberately destroyed and placed on the floor before a photographer was called in as a means to deceive the public and the deception worked because there were a number of people who actually believed that is what the military recovered on the Foster ranch (recovery of a weather balloon rawin device. Now, let's take a look at recovered rawin devices and notice the difference between the condition of the rawin device in Ramey's office vs. actual photos of recovered rawin devices.
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Hmm... nothing more recent than 1983, I notice.
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Yeah - I don't know why I picked 1983, actually. Most of the "evidence" being presented is from the 1940s.
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Actually, there have been many UFO reports since 1983. Let's take the case of Japan Airlines 1628 where multiple saucers flew near the B-747, one of which was described by the captain as larger than two aircraft carriers, and I might add that his size estimate was confirmed by ground-based radar as radar controllers watched the huge object track the Japan Airlines 1628.
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I think it is clear to everyone that all the UFO sightings reported after 1983 were actually false flag, staged events as part of a conspiracy between the USAF, the CIA, and the FAA to try to convince people that the aliens hadn't really all left. It's an easy deception, since in their heart-of-hearts people didn't want them to be gone. This is why E.T. was marketed as a tragedy, even though it was clearly a documentary. |
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They haven't left, they are still here and it is because the public is not aware of what is occurring in the skies currently or behind the closed doors of the government. However, there are now hundreds of military and government officials who want that reality to made public and are willing to testify before Congress. Over the past number of years, the government has been slowly declassifying and releasing UFO documents which are now available to the public under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) and I might add that some of the UFO reports are chilling, especially incidents involving our missiles, bombers and civilian aircraft. Here is another account involving Japan Airlines 1628, a KC-135 tanker and an Alaska Airline Flt 53. ATC tape playback included. UFO Encounter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYfGTOo7X-8 |
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When I read here about the triangular shaped UFOs, I immediately thought of a kite.
Now I see they used "weather kites", and they have a suspiciously triangular shape to them. You've got a page here full of old photos and reports that could take days to pour through. Why does it have to be so difficult? There must be a billion camera phones on this planet, not to mention security cameras. Show me a clear picture of a gawdamn UFO already, or an interview with bigfoot, or a unicorn. All of this "Where's Waldo" bullcrap is tiresome. Our government, the one who can't even write a memo without it being hacked, is somehow masterminding the biggest secret in the planet's history and has done so successfully for 70 years. Funny. That would be more amazing than any UFO. |
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Actually, government disinformation is used to cover-up the fact that aliens are still here and let's remember, countries around the world have begun releasing their own UFO case files and some of their reports are very chilling including those from Russia.
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The US government is well aware of what happened in 1938, the Robertson Report and the Brookings Institute's warning to NASA in 1960. Since then, the open doors of the government has been slowing closing.
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If you were President of the United States of America and radar data, photo, video, and physical evidence were revealed to you that alien visitation continues to this very day, and taking into an account the 1960 Brookings Institute's letter to NASA, would you go ahead and announce on the evening news and to the world that ET is here and not knowing of what the consequences worldwide may be? Remember, once Pandora's Box is open, there can be no turning back the clock and your name will connected forever to any dire changes to human civilization. Would you take that chance personally or let someone else handle the job of revealing what you already know? |
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Not many people are aware that over recent years, the US government has been slowly releasing its UFO case files from the National Archives, which will continue right up to where it reaches the Roswell files and files and mission of the military's Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit (IPU) now that the US Army has now confirmed the existence of its Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit. Could it be that the US government is preparing the world for what it already knows about UFOs? Over the years, files of the IPU have been turned over to the U.S. Air Force. |
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I don't think it's aliens. I think it's ghosts, and the governments across the world are covering it all up because they use ghosts as secret agents to spy on us.
I mean, what other possible explanation can there be? It's obvious. |
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They are aliens and now, countries around the world are slowly releasing their own UFO files.
One of the most chilling of UFO cases was the Cuban incident where a UFO destroyed a Cuban Mig-21 sent to intercept the object after the pilot locked-up the object. His wingman temporarily went berserk after his leader's aircraft was destroy and it took time for him to compose himself enough to report the aircraft disintegrated as the U. S. Air Force listened on to the encounter from Florida. The tape of the incident was later passed up intelligence channels. The UFO then shot up to 90,000 feet and headed southward. I wanted to add that in 1976, the Iranians experienced a similar encounter, whereas, their systems were shutdown in flight in two separate incidents. Only after they turned away from the UFO did their systems return to normal. One F-4 attempted to fire an AIM-9 missile at the UFO but at that instant, his weapon system shutdown. You can find details of the encounter in Department of Defense, Defense Intelligence Agency, and State Department documents of the United States. This incident went all the way up to the White House.
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OMG!!!!
I ignore a thread for a few days, and when I come back to it, it has been set upon by a genuine, honest to goodness, link-wrestling, wall of text posting UFO conspiracy.....ahem.... enthusiast. Seriously, I didn't think there were any remotely intelligent people who still believe that Roswell was anything other than a crashed Project Mogul balloon. |
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