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Old 28th June 2017, 05:02 PM   #1
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Trump to visit France on Bastille Day...

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...lle-day-240042

I think Macron set up a trap to basically make Trump look like an idiot and Macron look like a statesman...and boost Macron's standing in France. And Trump's ego made him walk right into it. Going be interesting.
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Interesting. This could go a lot of different ways. I'm sure Macron winds up looking good in any event. For Trump, I think "uneventful" counts as a win when it comes to his relations with our allies. The bar is pretty low at this point.
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Let him eat cake.
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Old 28th June 2017, 06:25 PM   #4
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I don't get it. What's the trap?
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Old 28th June 2017, 07:31 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...lle-day-240042

I think Macron set up a trap to basically make Trump look like an idiot and Macron look like a statesman...and boost Macron's standing in France. And Trump's ego made him walk right into it. Going be interesting.
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I don't get it. What's the trap?
Yeah, is this going to literally involve a trapdoor which Trump will fall through maybe into some smelly cheese?
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Old 28th June 2017, 07:33 PM   #6
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I think if he did that then it would not be "well played" by the President but a stupidly undiplomatic thing to do and not at all edifying on Bastille Day of all things.

And I think it would be doing almost the impossible which is to look less dignified than Trump.

So I am against such antics.
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Old 28th June 2017, 08:10 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Let him eat cake.
Chocolate cake, the best chocolate cake.

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I also am not sure where the trap is. Of course there is the strong likelihood that anything Trump does anywhere will end up showing him for the ass he is, but is there something else I'm missing?
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Chocolate cake, the best chocolate cake.

With two scoops of ice cream.

He probably thinks LePen won. After all, Macron winning was reported by the failing New York Times and fake news CNN. And who on his staff is going to tell him otherwise?
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
With two scoops of ice cream.

He probably thinks LePen won. After all, Macron winning was reported by the failing New York Times and fake news CNN. And who on his staff is going to tell him otherwise?
It would be totally crazy, right, if he turns up dressed as Hitler thinking he is going to Vichy France, thereby completely letting the cat out of the bag. What a trap!
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Do they still have a working Guillotine...?
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The trap, such as it is, is to assert diplomatic dominance while making it appear to be a win for everyone. Macron knows Trump will put his foot in le ***** of his own volition. He intends to facilitate that for his and France's benefit. Trump will have no idea.
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Old 28th June 2017, 11:30 PM   #13
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I don't get it. What's the trap?
You won't get a direct answer until the event happens, but Macron could do several things. He could make a speech denouncing the policy of walls and stopping refugees while Trump would be forced to stand by him and remain silent. He could announce an increase in investment in renewable energies in order to end the reliance on coal in a decade or by the end of the decade. He could reaffirm French commitment to article 5 of NATO that France will stand with any ally, as it did when the article was invoked in 2001. He could say France is a true ally and friend of USA, not a fake friend who only seeks ways to undermine and divide neighbors, like Russia does. He could even mention France, as a great nation, is always willing to help allies re-achieve greatness before mentioning one of those. That one would sting burn.

He could do all that any many others. Anything that creates a contrast between him and Trump strengthens Macron and weakens Trump.

Is it a trap against Trump or a way to boost his own popularity? It could be a little of both. Macron is smart, he knows defying Trump is a vote winner, especially in France. He doesn't need the votes right now, but he does need the French behind him because he has several unpopular reforms to push through this summer. If this visit makes the task a little easier then he's won. If he also makes Trump look even worse than usual and makes him a little less popular in Europe and USA then even better.

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Let him eat cake.
Chocolate cake, the best chocolate cake.

I can only hope that Trump would be the only one here that would be confused when the French served bread.
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"I love those Bastilles. Great people, wonderful people."
If that's his starting point, he'll probably end up in Pompeii.
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I have a feeling Trump may actually be a popular guest overseas. Stand next to him and your people will say, "I guess X isn't so bad after all."
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It could also be something simple for Macron. Having Trump there talking will keep the flies off the party food.
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He's going to France on the day that celebrates the overthrow of a ruler who lived in luxury while his people suffered...
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He's going to France on the day that celebrates the overthrow of a ruler who lived in luxury while his people suffered...: eek :
It's also the 100 year anniversary of the US entry into WWI as an ally to France.

But you never know--maybe this will be the One Thing that stops Trump from becoming president.

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It's also the 100 year anniversary of the US entry into WWI as an ally to France.

But you never know--maybe this will be the One Thing that stops Trump from becoming president.
Maybe we can get show good memes out of it:

"Lafayette, nous sommes Vichy "
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Yeah, is this going to literally involve a trapdoor which Trump will fall through maybe into some smelly cheese?
Oh, Macron is going to be classy about it and subtle ;I suspect he will end praising things like international cooperation, tolerance ,etc which are in direct contrast to Trump's "America First" crap; hopefully it will be a polite takedown in the tradition of Voltaire.
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And, boy, can Macron have fun talking about how nations benefit from immigration,and use the example of America and Lafayette ...........
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And, boy, can Macron have fun talking about how nations benefit from immigration,and use the example of America and Lafayette ...........
Hopefully someone will explain to Trump who Lafayette is.

"Lafayette I am here! How about some of those fries you Frogs are famous for?"
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Originally Posted by Garrison View Post
He's going to France on the day that celebrates the overthrow of a ruler who lived in luxury while his people suffered...
This seems appropriate here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ohom8t0O-bg


BTW, the main portion of the song is a parody of a classic R and B number called "It's A Long Way To St. Louis".
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Amazing, Macron has kind of a "once in a century" valid excuse to invite him in the first place.

Guess he will be the perfect host and be quite gentle and subtle about positioning Trump where he can look/act the worst.
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Amazing, Macron has kind of a "once in a century" valid excuse to invite him in the first place.

Guess he will be the perfect host and be quite gentle and subtle about positioning Trump where he can look/act the worst.
Wonder if Trump will try the handshake stunt?
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Instead of talking about the trapdoor being sprung on Trump, we should talk about Trump being invited to "take a peek through the small window"....
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Instead of talking about the trapdoor being sprung on Trump, we should talk about Trump being invited to "take a peek through the small window"....
???
I'm missing the reference.
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Instead of talking about the trapdoor being sprung on Trump, we should talk about Trump being invited to "take a peek through the small window"....
Especially if here is told there is a lady there who is eager to get very close to him.


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Jokes about killing the president? Stay classy ISF.
Stay?
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This thread is pretty surreal. Maybe Macron will perform a mime in a very French way and confuse Donald Trump.
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This thread is pretty surreal. Maybe Macron will perform a mime in a very French way and confuse Donald Trump.
Whatever it is, after all this hype, it better be good. At least covfefe-tier.
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???
I'm missing the reference.
TO "Take a peek through the Small Window" was slang during the French Revolution for being Guillotinied....based upon how the Guillotine works.
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TO "Take a peek through the Small Window" was slang during the French Revolution for being Guillotinied....based upon how the Guillotine works.
Ah! Thank you.
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Other terms were "To Sneeze Into the Basket" and "Get a republican shave" (Nothing to do with the US political party".
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...lle-day-240042

I think Macron set up a trap to basically make Trump look like an idiot and Macron look like a statesman...and boost Macron's standing in France. And Trump's ego made him walk right into it. Going be interesting.
Well Played Monsieur Le President, Well Played.
Perhaps a guillotine accident is being arranged for the great flaming orange!!!!!
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Do they still have a working Guillotine...?
They could convert a large paper cutter. And, it is slower!!!!!!!
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