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Old 20th July 2017, 05:37 AM   #721
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Originally Posted by Stacko View Post
OMG, this transcript of his NYT interview.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/07/1...IUWhjwtR?amp=1

How does he still not know the difference between health and life insurance?
Who knew there was a difference before? It is all to complex for anyone to keep up with clearly.
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Old 20th July 2017, 05:39 AM   #722
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Originally Posted by Argumemnon View Post
Is that supposed to be significant, though? It's hard to extrapolate from 800 to 300 million.
Provided it's representative, quite a small sample can be used to accurately gauge the views of very large populations. Making sure the sample is representative is the tricky bit, and as uke2se says that's what pollsters do.
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Old 20th July 2017, 05:50 AM   #723
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
Who knew there was a difference before? It is all to complex for anyone to keep up with clearly.
The whole thing is amazingly bonkers. He doesn't trust Rosenstein because he's from Baltimore (Rosenstein is from Philadelphia). His bit on Napoleon is weird in how close it is to being correct. They did an excellent job letting a lying rambler ramble.
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Old 20th July 2017, 06:36 AM   #724
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A source for what?
A source for defining the role of media.
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Old 20th July 2017, 06:51 AM   #725
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But what about support for it, and expanding it's use like the administration wants?
Support for it is also disturbingly bipartisan. Not sure where she stands on it now, but Kamala Harris loved civil asset forfeiture when she was in California politics. Might not like it now that Sessions is doing it.
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Old 20th July 2017, 07:00 AM   #726
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A source for defining the role of media.
Why would the Constitution define the role of the media? It states that there shall be freedom of the press (media) but it doesn't say that the media is to take any particular role.
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Old 20th July 2017, 07:04 AM   #727
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Originally Posted by Spindrift View Post
Why would the Constitution define the role of the media? It states that there shall be freedom of the press (media) but it doesn't say that the media is to take any particular role.
Take that up with the poster who in reply to my statement about the role of the media said the Constitution disagreed. For the points I made in response, I was perfectly happy to assume his/her premise was true for sake of argument. If you do not wish to accept their premise, I'm not able to argue for it.
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Old 20th July 2017, 09:48 AM   #728
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Why am I NOT surprised!


President Trump's first six months:

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/07/19/po...ths/index.html
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Old 20th July 2017, 09:54 AM   #729
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Originally Posted by skyeagle409 View Post
Why am I NOT surprised!


President Trump's first six months:

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/07/19/po...ths/index.html
85% of Republicans and 33% of Independents think he's doing a fine job. I guess they either have completely different priorities to me (like those people for whom Gorsuch onto SCOTUS is such a win that they'll forgive anything) and/or they get their information from different sources that are constantly trumpeting President Trump's achievements.
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Old 20th July 2017, 09:59 AM   #730
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85% of Republicans and 33% of Independents think he's doing a fine job. I guess they either have completely different priorities to me (like those people for whom Gorsuch onto SCOTUS is such a win that they'll forgive anything) and/or they get their information from different sources that are constantly trumpeting President Trump's achievements.
With the exception of the continued and massive failure to repeal Obamacare, Trump's been performing well within standard Republican parameters on policy. His repulsive personal style, staggering incompetence and possible extreme corruption might cost him but he's solid on the issues.
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With the exception of the continued and massive failure to repeal Obamacare, Trump's been performing well within standard Republican parameters on policy. His repulsive personal style, staggering incompetence and possible extreme corruption might cost him but he's solid on the issues.
He is and he isn't. He was certainly not effective at helping them pass their obamacare repeal. He certainly isn't pushing them into getting anything against their policies but he is also not using the bully pulpit to advance their agenda either.
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85% of Republicans and 33% of Independents think he's doing a fine job. I guess they either have completely different priorities to me (like those people for whom Gorsuch onto SCOTUS is such a win that they'll forgive anything) and/or they get their information from different sources that are constantly trumpeting President Trump's achievements.

It is troubling that despite Trump's major missteps and outrages lies, he is also a threat to the national security of the United States and yet, his supporters continue to see things as though he has done nothing wrong, which reminds me once again, how people thought Hitler was good for Germany and Tojo was good for Japan.
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Old 20th July 2017, 10:13 AM   #733
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With the exception of the continued and massive failure to repeal Obamacare, Trump's been performing well within standard Republican parameters on policy. His repulsive personal style, staggering incompetence and possible extreme corruption might cost him but he's solid on the issues.
In the past few weeks I've asked some Trump supporters I know why they think he's doing a good job. I've talked to about 10 so obviously YMMV but the most common answer from almost all of them:
Some variation of "He's not Hillary."


Other answers:
He's not taking any crap from the Europeans. (I have to remind them Russia is in Europe.)
He's getting rid of all the political correctness. (So racists can be racists).
He's getting people back to work like at Carrier. (And those jobs have now disappeared.)
Saved millions on military planes.
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Old 20th July 2017, 10:13 AM   #734
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He is and he isn't. He was certainly not effective at helping them pass their obamacare repeal. He certainly isn't pushing them into getting anything against their policies but he is also not using the bully pulpit to advance their agenda either.
Not as much as he could (or as much as I expected him to) but he's delivered on some stuff. Rolling back some of the Obama-era environmental regulations, pulling out of the Paris accords, killing off TPP, stepped up immigration enforcement, Gorsuch. If he can deliver a tax cut on top of all of that, I think lots of Republicans will consider him to have performed fairly well. He's pissed off enough people that I hope reelection isn't viable, but he'll keep a good chunk of the Republican base happy if he keeps doing what he's doing.
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Old 20th July 2017, 10:17 AM   #735
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In the past few weeks I've asked some Trump supporters I know why they think he's doing a good job. I've talked to about 10 so obviously YMMV but the most common answer from almost all of them:
Some variation of "He's not Hillary."


Other answers:
He's not taking any crap from the Europeans. (I have to remind them Russia is in Europe.)
He's getting rid of all the political correctness. (So racists can be racists).
He's getting people back to work like at Carrier. (And those jobs have now disappeared.)
Saved millions on military planes.
I've encountered variations on all of those concepts in the alt-right sewers where I hang out. Tend to come from people who consider many of Trump's worst character traits to be selling points. Same folks who wouldn't care if Trump colluded with Russia as long as it was to fight Hillary. Also that he's fighting pedophiles. They mention that a lot.
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Old 20th July 2017, 10:35 AM   #736
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Why am I NOT surprised!


President Trump's first six months:

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/07/19/po...ths/index.html
Gotta love the "number of walls built" part.
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Old 20th July 2017, 11:57 AM   #737
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Trump has made 836 false or misleading statements in office:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.fffbf74aad5d
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Old 20th July 2017, 12:53 PM   #738
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They could save space by just printing when he tells the truth.
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Old 20th July 2017, 02:14 PM   #739
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They could save space by just printing when he tells the truth.
And George Washington turns over in his grave looking at the Liar in chief.
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Old 20th July 2017, 02:29 PM   #740
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OMG, this transcript of his NYT interview.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/07/1...IUWhjwtR?amp=1

How does he still not know the difference between health and life insurance?
He never had a reason to learn anything about insurance because it has no impact on The Donald. That is also the reason for his astonishing ignorance on a great number of things, yet some say that his narcissistic personality disorder doesn't interfere with his ability to be president.

What I think is most jaw-dropping about that article is that Trump flatly states that he thinks Sessions should have warned him that he would put ethics above loyalty to Trump and recuse himself instead of protecting Trump, so that Trump could have appointed someone else. He gladly confesses that he would never have appointed someone who would do the right thing, because he thinks we should also be outraged by this insulting and "unfair" treatment of President The Donald. If his impeachment trial ever gets as far as looking for intent to obstruct justice, there's some more choice quotes.
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Old 20th July 2017, 05:40 PM   #741
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Looks like he's 10 votes short in the Senate to just repeal the ACA. When the Hair fails the nation succeedes.
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Old 20th July 2017, 06:43 PM   #742
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That figure seems low.
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Old 20th July 2017, 10:04 PM   #743
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That figure seems low.
It's about five per day on average and he's not active every day.

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Old 21st July 2017, 12:42 AM   #744
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Originally Posted by McHrozni View Post
It's about five per day on average and he's not active every day.

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I tend to lean toward the "If his lips move ..." school of thought.

It saves time, and doesn't miss the mark by much at all.
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I tend to lean toward the "If his lips move ..." school of thought.

It saves time, and doesn't miss the mark by much at all.
It misses Twitter

Serious though, five false statements per day is pretty much what you said.

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Old 21st July 2017, 05:44 AM   #746
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It misses Twitter

That assumes that his lips don't move as he spells out the words.
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This will produce great results.

https://thinkprogress.org/amp/p/d47be4ffb1a8

When I think food safety, I think of a climate change denying radio show host with no background in the subject.
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Trump investigating pardons for himself, family and cohorts:
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That figure seems low.
Originally Posted by McHrozni View Post
It's about five per day on average and he's not active every day.

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I have to wonder just how horrible it would be to be around this lying POS for any period of time. You wouldn't be able to trust him at all. And every time he spoke you'd have to wonder, 'doesn't this clueless jerk' understand that we all can tell he's lying? And just how far do I have to put my nose up his ass to keep my job? God, it makes me sick just thinking about it.
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I have to wonder just how horrible it would be to be around this lying POS for any period of time. You wouldn't be able to trust him at all. ....
Right.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.9bd8ade89482
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Spicer out.

https://mobile.twitter.com/GlennThru...27313385353217
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I thought he deserved his own thread. Maybe not
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I thought he deserved his own thread. Maybe not
It depends on how long it takes for him to get a book deal.
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I don't feel sorry for Spicer one bit, but to feel sad for Melissa McCarthy, who just lost a great gig.
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It's not like we get all the goodies ourselves. We are sharing Trump too! First the Paris agreement, now this!
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Six months ago, one powerful white man in the White House, watched by seven more, signed a piece of paper that will prevent millions of women around the world from deciding what they can and can’t do with their own bodies.

In that moment, on his very first Monday morning in office, Donald Trump effectively signed the death warrants of thousands of women. He reversed global progress on contraception, family planning, unsustainable population growth and reproductive rights. His executive order even has implications for the battle against HIV, tuberculosis and malaria.

Rarely can the presidential pen have been flourished to such devastating effect. The policy it reintroduced will shut health clinics in Uganda and HIV programmes in Mozambique; it will compel women from Nepal to Namibia to seek out deadly back-street abortions.

“It is an unprecedented attack on women’s rights – it goes much deeper than abortion,” said Ulla Müller, president and CEO of EngenderHealth, a leading advocacy organisation.

Tewodros Melesse, director general of the the International Planned Parenthood Federation (IPPF), which stands to lose as much as $100m, said the US move “seeks to restrict the rights of millions of women. It asks us as a health provider, to stop providing services which are entirely legal in countries through our members – where some of the most poorest women, depend on them.
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This will produce great results.

https://thinkprogress.org/amp/p/d47be4ffb1a8

When I think food safety, I think of a climate change denying radio show host with no background in the subject.

Fortunately, there is a specific statutory requirement that the post be held by an actual scientist.

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However, there's a stipulation in the Farm Bill that was first added in 2008 that mandates that all nominees to the chief scientist role at the USDA be a scientist -- something Clovis is not.
"The Under Secretary shall be appointed by the President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, from among distinguished scientists with specialized training or significant experience in agricultural research, education, and economics," the statute reads.

Another case of Trump not knowing how the government works and thinking he can do anything he wants.
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Fortunately, there is a specific statutory requirement that the post be held by an actual scientist.




Another case of Trump not knowing how the government works and thinking he can do anything he wants.
Do you think that will stop the senate from confirming him? What is the legal definition that shows he is unqualified for this?
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And of course all of those 836 are clear cut lies nobody can dispute.

The Lie:
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"As horrible as it sounds, when they throw the large sacks of drugs over, and if you have people on the other side of the wall, you don't see them — they hit you on the head with 60 pounds of stuff? It's over. As crazy as that sounds, you need transparency through that wall.”
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There have been reports of drug smugglers catapulting drugs across the border, but most drugs are smuggled through legal checkpoints at the border.
What he said is stupid but where is the lie in that statement? This is one example of the 836 lies and I saw others like it.

I'm not even skeptical that he lied 836 times, I just know that the article has problems, as do most that make such claims. Any article like this is going to biased.
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And of course all of those 836 are clear cut lies nobody can dispute.

The Lie:


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What he said is stupid but where is the lie in that statement? This is one example of the 836 lies and I saw others like it.

I'm not even skeptical that he lied 836 times, I just know that the article has problems, as do most that make such claims. Any article like this is going to biased.
Yeah, I've seen an alternate analysis that suggests that probably half of those claims in that article are overstated.

So the lie count is only 400.

And let's say that that is even a stretch, and maybe half of those aren't really so much lies.

That means it's only 200. About 1 a day. Is that any consolation?
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Somebody told Trump something. "Did you know they catapulted drugs over the wall?" He then includes that in his speeches. His fans do not care, it all counts for a good show. Catapulting drugs, haha haa. Trump is so funny! Best president ever! More Bud Light, guys?
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