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Old 17th July 2017, 08:50 AM   #41
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Originally Posted by AJM8125 View Post
This is just *********** appalling. Warning: Shows dogs being shot. Even I found it difficult to watch.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aol...s-in-backyard/
Both dogs survived but have required surgery and extensive (and expensive) vet care.
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Old 17th July 2017, 09:02 AM   #42
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Since they are the ones in control of the bodycam it must be taken for granted they are lying/guilty as hell if it does not work.

As for the trigger happy/paranoia it seems to be out of balance with the number of shot police officers.
At which point will concerned citizens try to correct the imbalance?
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Old 17th July 2017, 09:06 AM   #43
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Originally Posted by BStrong View Post
If those are the facts, it sounds like a negligent discharge at the very least.
Yes, unless she was beating on the window of the car with a stick, I seriously hope it was just an accidental discharge, and not the passenger cop shooting her for reaching for her ID at the instruction of the driver-cop.

Reaching for ID is not justification for shooting someone intentionally.
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Old 17th July 2017, 09:18 AM   #44
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Yes, unless she was beating on the window of the car with a stick, I seriously hope it was just an accidental discharge, and not the passenger cop shooting her for reaching for her ID at the instruction of the driver-cop.

Reaching for ID is not justification for shooting someone intentionally.
Even if she was beating on the window with a stick, the police have a range of alternatives at their disposal given that their lives were not in immediate danger*. That's not to say that such an encounter wouldn't be frightening but better training would have shown that deadly force in such a situation isn't an appropriate course of action.

* - unless of course they couldn't move their vehicle because she had somehow boxed it in or they were surrounded by a baying mob.
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Old 17th July 2017, 09:53 AM   #45
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Mohamed Noor from Somalia is the shooter, apparently.

Why would you be drawing your weapon in this situation?

People nearby apparently didn't hear the shot, so that would fit in with the shot being from inside a closed car.

I can't see any possible rational way to explain this at all.
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Most importantly, is she an illegal alien?
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Originally Posted by Spindrift View Post
Most importantly, is she an illegal alien?
Is the officer an illegal alien and a Muslim to boot?

Lots of angles to work...

But seriously, what is he going to say?

The lady in her pajamas threatened his life through the car door?

He hasn't been a cop long.
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The cops respond to a possible assault call.
The cops are talking with a witness, no dash cam, no body cam x2.
Both cops stay in the car, the witness is on the drivers side talking to the driver.
His partner in the passenger seat shoots the witness through the door with his partner in the line of fire.

?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
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Originally Posted by Mark F View Post
The cops respond to a possible assault call.
The cops are talking with a witness, no dash cam, no body cam x2.
Both cops stay in the car, the witness is on the drivers side talking to the driver.
His partner in the passenger seat shoots the witness through the door with his partner in the line of fire.

?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
It's bizarre.

Why is he even touching his sidearm?
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Old 17th July 2017, 10:28 AM   #50
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If those are the facts, it sounds like a negligent discharge at the very least.
Why would a cop even draw his gun while sitting in his car with his partner without an obvious, immediate threat? Why are cops so scared all the time?
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Sources said us Justine Damond initially made the 911 call and was speaking to police officers Saturday night. They were near the alley when the officer in the passenger seat reached across and shot her. A cell phone was found near Damond’s body.
I guess he couldn't tell a cell phone from a gun from 2 feet away...?

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2017/0...an-identified/
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Care to explain?
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I guess he couldn't tell a cell phone from a gun from 2 feet away...?

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2017/0...an-identified/
It's not true that the officer then said, "Can you hear me now? Bitch!"
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This cop treated this aussie woman marginally worse than most aussie men treat their women.
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She might have been pulling a Mike Brown, reaching in to grab the driver's gun?

Her friend that described her as "passionate" might have meant "paranoid delusional manic depressive schizophrenic sociopath".

I wonder if the driver cop has fingernail tracks across his face?

Have we gotten the cop's story yet? Press conference by P.D.?
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Old 17th July 2017, 11:02 AM   #56
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I live in Minneapolis. This happened about a mile away from me. Last week an officer jumped a backyard fence while responding to a residential burglar alarm and shot the two dogs that were in the yard, all of which was caught on video. The dogs were wagging their tails and not approaching the officer. The burglar alarm turned out to be a false alarm.

I think we need to rethink what we teach our cops about imminent danger. We are awful quick to pull triggers in this country.
Who's "we"? You live in Minneapolis, you don't need me to solve your Minneapolis police problems.
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Why would a cop even draw his gun while sitting in his car with his partner without an obvious, immediate threat? Why are cops so scared all the time?
Depending on circumstances and environment, it's sop for an officer to have his duty weapon in hand, or in the case of someone I know who survived a real-bad news gunfight, his rifle across his lap.

What was the trigger for this I have no idea - it could be that there have been previous calls to that general area that went bad and the officer was acting within guidelines, but shooting through the unit's door ( and at this time I've not heard any different) and firing one round only sounds like negligence - the old saying "anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice" is the rule, not the exception in LE.

S.F. just changed their sop for the use of deadly force - gunfire - by lowering the the initial engagement guidelines of firing 4 rounds to 3 before assessment of terminal effect (fancy words for "did I hit him?) Our agency was at 3 rounds when I got there and never changed.

That only one round was fired (possibly) says negligence to me.
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She might have been pulling a Mike Brown, reaching in to grab the driver's gun?

Her friend that described her as "passionate" might have meant "paranoid delusional manic depressive schizophrenic sociopath".

I wonder if the driver cop has fingernail tracks across his face?

Have we gotten the cop's story yet? Press conference by P.D.?
Can't tell whether you're serious. She was the person who called the cops. That kind of argues against what you're suggesting about her.
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This is awful. I wonder what the cop's background was growing up in Somalia? I have said repeatedly that psychological evaluations should be required as part of the screening process for employment for cops.
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This is awful. I wonder what the cop's background was growing up in Somalia? I have said repeatedly that psychological evaluations should be required as part of the screening process for employment for cops.
There are:

https://www.post.ca.gov/peace-office...ng-manual.aspx

I doubt Minnesota is much different.
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Depending on circumstances and environment, it's sop for an officer to have his duty weapon in hand, or in the case of someone I know who survived a real-bad news gunfight, his rifle across his lap.
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Where was it pointed? I'm a civilian, and even I know that the first and last rule of firearms safety is that you never point a gun at anything you don't intend to kill. A middle rule is that you don't touch the trigger until you have aimed at your target. Even combat soldiers are trained to keep their finger outside the trigger guard until they are ready to fire. This cop could just as easily have killed his partner.
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Cops have gotten off by claiming they thought a phone was a gun.

If she was screaming and flailing about, and reached in her pocket to get her phone, the cop may have been afraid for his or his partners life.

That is what the determining factor will be, was the cop legitimately afraid for his life?
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Depending on circumstances and environment, it's sop for an officer to have his duty weapon in hand, or in the case of someone I know who survived a real-bad news gunfight, his rifle across his lap.

What was the trigger for this I have no idea - it could be that there have been previous calls to that general area that went bad and the officer was acting within guidelines, but shooting through the unit's door ( and at this time I've not heard any different) and firing one round only sounds like negligence - the old saying "anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice" is the rule, not the exception in LE.

S.F. just changed their sop for the use of deadly force - gunfire - by lowering the the initial engagement guidelines of firing 4 rounds to 3 before assessment of terminal effect (fancy words for "did I hit him?) Our agency was at 3 rounds when I got there and never changed.

That only one round was fired (possibly) says negligence to me.
"Reached over and shot" would not be negligence, though. It would be deliberate.

Where that detail came from is anyone's guess, though.

However, it makes sense for him not to shoot across his partner, but to reach over with the handgun and fire through the door.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Joe Biden.
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Cops have gotten off by claiming they thought a phone was a gun.

If she was screaming and flailing about, and reached in her pocket to get her phone, the cop may have been afraid for his or his partners life.

That is what the determining factor will be, was the cop legitimately afraid for his life?
I doubt he could see much of the woman, though. He's on the other side of the car, looking past his partner, through a car window.

She's most likely leaning into the window.

If he can't recognoize a cell phone from a couple feet away, he probably shouldn't be a cop.
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There are:

https://www.post.ca.gov/peace-office...ng-manual.aspx

I doubt Minnesota is much different.
I just note that the U.S. has something like 14,000 independent police and sheriffs departments, each with its own hiring and training standards. Minneapolis city probably has higher standards than some, but I wouldn't assume that what's true in California is true everywhere.
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Since they are the ones in control of the bodycam it must be taken for granted they are lying/guilty as hell if it does not work.
Minneapolis gives officers discretion on when to turn on the body camera.

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Critics said that the new policy gives officers too much discretion over when and where to turn on the cameras, while others are concerned about victims’ right to privacy.
It sounds like neither officer had turned theirs on in this case.
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His only chance is to claim he thought her phone was a gun, imo.

I believe he deliberately fired, for whatever reason, because an accidental discharge is most likely to happen when drawing the weapon, and that would most likely injure him or his partner, or simply make a hole in the floorboard.
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Minneapolis gives officers discretion on when to turn on the body camera.



It sounds like neither officer had turned theirs on in this case.
They would only have recorded some audio, since the officers never left their car. The cameras would have been pointed at the dashboard of the car.

Maybe the shooter's camera would have shown something as he reached over?

Assuming the basic story is true, that is.
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And you want to take guns away from people ? They need it against the police in the first place ..
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His only chance is to claim he thought her phone was a gun, imo.
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But even then, the cop in the driver's seat, who was actually next to her and was talking to her, apparently DID NOT feel threatened. "I was saving my partner" doesn't fly if the partner didn't need to be saved.
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If he can't recognoize a cell phone from a couple feet away, he probably shouldn't be a cop.
I would maintain that most decisions to shoot are probably made BEFORE whatever is in the pocket is brought out.
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A source with direct knowledge of the shooting said Monday that the woman was shot multiple times. The source said that Noor was sitting in the passenger seat at the time of the shooting.

Noor reportedly shot across his partner who was the driver of the squad at the time. The shooting occurred at 11:30 p.m. Saturday.
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But even then, the cop in the driver's seat, who was actually next to her and was talking to her, apparently DID NOT feel threatened. "I was saving my partner" doesn't fly if the partner didn't need to be saved.
Well, we don't know.

Perhaps the driver yelled "Gun!", and Noor fired?
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Imagine being the driver-side cop and suddenly a gun appears under your chin and bullets start flying.
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Imagine being the driver-side cop and suddenly a gun appears under your chin and bullets start flying.
I'll bet you are temporarily deaf, for one thing...
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Well, we don't know.

Perhaps the driver yelled "Gun!", and Noor fired?
And maybe we'll find out that the cop interviewing the woman said something like "So, ma'am, you think you saw a man with a gun hiding in the alley?" and the partner only heard "GUN!"
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Originally Posted by Drewbot View Post
Cops have gotten off by claiming they thought a phone was a gun.

If she was screaming and flailing about, and reached in her pocket to get her phone, the cop may have been afraid for his or his partners life.

That is what the determining factor will be, was the cop legitimately afraid for his life?
It's not that they "got off."

Depending on jurisdiction, either a grand jury or some other deliberative body found that th officer, like anyone else would be in the same situation, was reasonbly in fear of his life or some other individuals' life when he fired his duty weapon.

It ain't perfect, but that's they way it works.
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Originally Posted by BStrong View Post
It's not that they "got off."

Depending on jurisdiction, either a grand jury or some other deliberative body found that th officer, like anyone else would be in the same situation, was reasonbly in fear of his life or some other individuals' life when he fired his duty weapon.

It ain't perfect, but that's they way it works.
If this is an example of the way it works, then it needs to be torn apart and rebuilt correctly.
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Originally Posted by BStrong View Post
It's not that they "got off."

Depending on jurisdiction, either a grand jury or some other deliberative body found that th officer, like anyone else would be in the same situation, was reasonbly in fear of his life or some other individuals' life when he fired his duty weapon.

It ain't perfect, but that's they way it works.
Yeah, but how often would a civilian -- say a cab driver -- "get off" under identical circumstances? "He scared me so I killed him" only works when you're wearing a badge.
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Originally Posted by Aepervius View Post
Unfortunately, if tehre is no video and no witness all we will have are the word of the cops. And no offense, but after having seen video of cops reacting badly or outright lying, I am not trusting any US cops anymore on their words.
She was a beautiful white woman. Albeit a foreigner.

Albeit from Australia and not a terrorist state like Mexico or Puerto Rico.

So... I think those cops are screwed.
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