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Old Yesterday, 01:33 PM   #881
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Originally Posted by Suddenly View Post


It is more a question of whether the Trumpists want to keep carrying the fiscal conservative elite constituency than the other way around. That has been fraying for years because populists and plutocrats are not even close to being natural allies.

The angry populists gradually divorcing from the fiscal conservatives and winding up with a coalition with the progressives isn't as weird of an idea as it sounds. Those groups have way more in common with each other than the coalitions they are in now. All it would take is a Trump figure who supports and rams through UHC and some labor/safety net increases for the GOP to build a strong power base because large numbers of progressives would be on board with this because it is easier to deal with explicit racism while basic needs are met than to deal with structural racism while unable to pay bills. White moderates and all that...
opposition to socialism and the welfare state is the thing tying the populist wing of the conservatives together. Even the racism is largely hinged on the fact that minorities and immigrants are an economic burden. They're also rapidly anti union.

the only thing i could see working to bring those groups together in a coalition is a pro 2A progressive
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Old Yesterday, 02:54 PM   #882
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Bush's failure to listen to Clinton's warnings about BinLaden was a bigger issue than any delay in transition.
That would be why the language used was "contributed to", rather than "was the single cause of".

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If people want to voice concern about the delay, the pandemic crisis is more than enough to be concerned about.
Yes, you've just quoted me saying that.
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Old Yesterday, 06:11 PM   #883
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Originally Posted by Thermal View Post
You still have it dead backwards. Our Democracy can easily withstand this impotent clown show.
I predict this statement won't age well. Though, if everything goet to hell (in long term, not now), I expect you to magically vanish from this forum.

Originally Posted by Thermal View Post
Nothing at all about our system is weakened by watching him try and dismally fail. That would actually be discouraging to an actual wannabe coup. We don't even give it the time of day.
Huh? Trump is given all time of day and then more.

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Do tell: what is the disaster? A blowhard tries and abjectly fails. His own party and SCOTUS watch him fail and do nothing.
Exactly. Nothing. In normal democracy this kind of thing would be met with denouncement from every party. But retuglican party pretends nothing bad is happening. You somehow take it as positive sign for murican pseudo-democracy.

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Congress does not even dignify this with a charge of treason.
How nice way to say "no one will even try to punish current couper, encouraging future coupers and their attempts".

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Eta: avatar bet. You're right, no one actually thinks it will be successful. You guys know damn right well it's a steaming pile and nothing at all will come of it.
Multiple people here repeatedly told you problem is not farce itself, but what it enables in future. Is this your reading comprehension problem or your willfull blindness?

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
The question is pedantic and has no deeper meaning. Thermal agrees.
I expected semantic squibbles, not complete refusal to answer. Pathetic.
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Old Yesterday, 06:26 PM   #884
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Originally Posted by varwoche View Post
He is attempting to wrest power. Brazenly so. I realize we're all inured, but sometimes it's important to take a step back and get some perspective. The President of the United States is attempting to overturn a free and fair election. And the Republican party is complicit.

That's what I call real **** and then some.
With a few exceptions:

- I suspect that DeJoi was pulling shenanigans
- State, Justice, and Defense used for electioneering
- Vote suppression - the usual GOP stuff
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Old Yesterday, 08:43 PM   #885
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If all all else fails for Trump and he still refuses to concede what is the worst that can happen? An actual Coup D’etat?

Remember in October 1993 when Russian President Yeltsin, and Putin’s predecessor and appointer, was impeached by the Russian Parliament. And Yeltsin responded by ordering the military to attack the parliament building and arrest the deputies inside.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993...utional_crisis
Could Trump try to pull something like this off with Congress? Probably not. But, then again, anything crazy seems possible with this presidency.

Let’s hope not!
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Old Yesterday, 09:00 PM   #886
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Originally Posted by MrFliop View Post
If all all else fails for Trump and he still refuses to concede what is the worst that can happen? An actual Coup D’etat?

Remember in October 1993 when Russian President Yeltsin, and Putin’s predecessor and appointer, was impeached by the Russian Parliament. And Yeltsin responded by ordering the military to attack the parliament building and arrest the deputies inside.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993...utional_crisis
Could Trump try to pull something like this off with Congress? Probably not. But, then again, anything crazy seems possible with this presidency.

Let’s hope not!


Wait, what?!!! You tired of Trump, bro?

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...3#post13304623

Originally Posted by Elagabalus View Post
So? Any regrets? It's all funny haha laugh out loud until someone gets taken away to the re-education camps.


ETA: Didn't see this one.



Good call, Joe!




Gotcha!
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Old Yesterday, 09:08 PM   #887
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Originally Posted by Elagabalus View Post
Wait, what?!!! You tired of Trump, bro?
No, never. The last 5 years have been the best political entertainment of my lifetime!
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Old Yesterday, 10:58 PM   #888
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Originally Posted by MrFliop View Post
If all all else fails for Trump and he still refuses to concede what is the worst that can happen? An actual Coup D’etat?

Remember in October 1993 when Russian President Yeltsin, and Putin’s predecessor and appointer, was impeached by the Russian Parliament. And Yeltsin responded by ordering the military to attack the parliament building and arrest the deputies inside.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993...utional_crisis
Could Trump try to pull something like this off with Congress? Probably not. But, then again, anything crazy seems possible with this presidency.

Let’s hope not!
The USA is NOT Russia..thank heaven.
For one thing, with Biden clearly having urn the election, the US Military would not obey the order. They are sworn to defend the Constituion, not Donald Trump.
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Old Yesterday, 11:35 PM   #889
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
The USA is NOT Russia..thank heaven.
For one thing, with Biden clearly having urn the election, the US Military would not obey the order. They are sworn to defend the Constituion, not Donald Trump.

True, but this is the bit that gets tricky...

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I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed
Of course, right now, Donald Trump is the president even with Biden winning the election. So until the time at which Biden takes over, theoretically they have to do what Donald Trump says.
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Old Today, 01:04 AM   #890
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
The USA is NOT Russia..thank heaven.
For one thing, with Biden clearly having urn the election, the US Military would not obey the order. They are sworn to defend the Constituion, not Donald Trump.
To be fair Donald Trump also swore to defend the constitution.
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