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Old 9th October 2019, 12:36 PM   #1841
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Originally Posted by Stout View Post
The first thing that came to my mind was this one.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9125221.html
This article refutes the suggestion that it's bad "only when it's an effigy of your ox that's being gored".
From the article:

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Andy Burnham, a former Labour cabinet minister and now mayor of Manchester, said the sign was ďcompletely unacceptableĒ.
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Old 9th October 2019, 12:48 PM   #1842
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Originally Posted by lomiller View Post
Because burning an effigy of a 16 year old gild is totally the same thing as displaying a balloon that looks like a baby Trump wearing a diaperÖ
I admit that I have no idea how to continue a conversation like this with someone who thinks that the Trump baby balloon is an execution in effigy. Did they pop the balloon, or something?
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Old 9th October 2019, 12:51 PM   #1843
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
Broken record.....
I know

It's tough

But if you really feel that the way to stop burning fossil fuels and injecting carbon into the atmosphere is to simply talk about stopping burning fossil fuels while injecting carbon into the atmosphere then that's the way you feel.

Problem is, the atmosphere doesn't care about the way you feel.

Just take comfort in the fact that we'll both be long dead by the time climate change has any real world effects.

And me ? I just bought tickets to Thailand. Suck it, planet.
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Old 9th October 2019, 12:54 PM   #1844
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Originally Posted by lomiller View Post
This article refutes the suggestion that it's bad "only when it's an effigy of your ox that's being gored".
From the article:
Yes, it does.
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Old 9th October 2019, 01:16 PM   #1845
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Originally Posted by lomiller View Post
This article refutes the suggestion that it's bad "only when it's an effigy of your ox that's being gored".
From the article:
It refutes the suggestion that Andy Burnham like effigies as long as his oxen remain intact. It doesn't refute the suggestion that EHocking feels that way. I notice he didn't answer my question. You did, though. So I guess it's reasonable for me to ask you, what's your take? Are executions in effigy okay with you? Under what conditions?
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Old 9th October 2019, 01:20 PM   #1846
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Originally Posted by Stout View Post
Yes, it does.
Not really. Nobody was suggesting that Manchester mayor Andy Burnham likes execution in effigy as long as his ox isn't being gored.

Hell, it doesn't even really answer the question of how lomiller feels about executions in effigy.
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Old 9th October 2019, 01:29 PM   #1847
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
I admit that I have no idea how to continue a conversation like this with someone who thinks that the Trump baby balloon is an execution in effigy.
You never intended to have a conversation you just wanted to make some vaguely worded insinuations you couldnít support with evidence. If you deliberately avoid clear positions, I reserve the right to interpret your insinuations any way I like and address that interpretation according.
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Old 9th October 2019, 01:43 PM   #1848
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Holy crap...Did I really type "Suck it Planet" ?

That was a total error, my fingers slipped and now the edit window is closed.

What I really meant to say was....And me ? I just bought tickets to Thailand, I hope my government builds a wind turbine.
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Old 9th October 2019, 02:14 PM   #1849
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A turbofan engine is sorta like a wind turbine..
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Old 9th October 2019, 02:17 PM   #1850
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Originally Posted by lomiller View Post
You never intended to have a conversation you just wanted to make some vaguely worded insinuations you couldn’t support with evidence. If you deliberately avoid clear positions, I reserve the right to interpret your insinuations any way I like and address that interpretation according.
Let me be clear: I don't think executions in effigy are a big deal. I think people who get upset about them either don't understand this, or understand this but choose to get upset about it anyway for rhetorical advantage.

I may be wrong about this, though. If you think executions in effigy are a problem in our society and harmful to their subjects, I'd like to hear your arguments. Maybe we should outlaw them, or regulate them, or publicly shame them. I don't think any of that is necessary, but maybe you do.

Or maybe you agree with me that they're not actually a big deal. I'd like to have a conversation about it, but I'd settle for just finding out what your position is.

On the other hand, I could say the same thing about EHockings post about the topic, and your responses: You never intended to have a conversation, etc. You just wanted to spout some vague rhetoric about how people are being unacceptably mean to Thunberg. So, uh, consider it said. But I still think we can move past these mutual accusations, to an actual conversation about the issue.

I had tried to start this conversation by ruling out the possibility of special pleading. If you think executions in effigy are a problem in general, great, let's talk. I'd like to hear your reasons why they're a problem, and what we should do to combat them. On the other hand, if you agree with me that they're not a problem in general, I'd like to hear your reasons why this is a special case. On the other other hand, if you agree with me that they're not a problem in general, and you don't think this is a special case, then we probably don't need to have a conversation, since we already agree on the main points. But if there's more nuance you'd like to talk about, I'm game.

At this point, though, it kinda feels like I'm having a lot of conversation, and you and EHocking are just making vaguely worded insinuations that you couldn't support with evidence.

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Old 9th October 2019, 08:58 PM   #1851
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Excellent ! There's another group that's going to quit using oil.

I have a question though. When we're all back to riding around on horses, are the vegans going to be protesting us ?

Only if you eat their horse.
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Old 9th October 2019, 10:37 PM   #1852
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
It refutes the suggestion that Andy Burnham like effigies as long as his oxen remain intact. It doesn't refute the suggestion that EHocking feels that way. I notice he didn't answer my question.
None of your posts, post-mine on the subject, were directed at me. That's why I didn't answer your non-question.

As to your question to lolmiller, yes burning/hanging/killing someone in effigy is an overt signal of violence toward that person.
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Old 10th October 2019, 04:25 AM   #1853
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lol, as long as the fabric on the effigy wasn't made by child laborers then we're okay
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Old 10th October 2019, 04:29 AM   #1854
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Originally Posted by applecorped View Post
lol, as long as the fabric on the effigy wasn't made by child laborers then we're okay
Ironically electric car battery minerals are mined by child laborers
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Ironically electric car battery minerals are mined by child laborers
Does Elon know?
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Old 10th October 2019, 06:28 AM   #1856
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Does Elon know?
He's sending a submarine to rescue them.
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Old 10th October 2019, 06:29 AM   #1857
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He's sending a submarine to rescue them.
but it's an electric sub
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Old 10th October 2019, 01:29 PM   #1858
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I swear...Great. I mean, your Honour. It's not my fault, I just couldn't help myself.

Did you see what she was wearing ?

Private Villas, floating breakfasts, shopping, waterfalls, island hopping, doing yoga, healthy food,infinity pools, bathtubs with flowers floating on the water, massage, and they even have a swing made especially for the 'gram. And she's super cheap.

Who could resist THAT ?

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Too bad pictures can't be nommed for pith.
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I swear...Great. I mean, your Honour. It's not my fault, I just couldn't help myself.

Did you see what she was wearing ?

Private Villas, floating breakfasts, shopping, waterfalls, island hopping, doing yoga, healthy food,infinity pools, bathtubs with flowers floating on the water, massage, and they even have a swing made especially for the 'gram. And she's super cheap.

Who could resist THAT ?
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Presumably itís along the lines that some people donít want to live in caves so they have no right to protest about climate change....
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Old 10th October 2019, 04:21 PM   #1863
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It's a travel video about Bali made by an Instagram influencer. To bad it's not visible, it's very nicely made video. You can google those things, like the floating breakfast and the swing if you're so inclined.
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Old 10th October 2019, 04:31 PM   #1864
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What does it have to do with Greta Thunberg?
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Old 10th October 2019, 04:32 PM   #1865
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I'm a sucker for the toxic waste pond in Russia. The bright blue color makes for a dramatic and beautiful backdrop. All the best instagrammers know not to actually touch the water.
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Presumably itís along the lines that some people donít want to live in caves so they have no right to protest about climate change....
Woah there....Who said anything about caves ?

All I'm doing is suggesting that people cut back on their energy consumption wrt things like flying, unnecessary driving and, my all time favourite frivolous energy waster, propane patio heaters.

Which seems to be some sort of right wing climate science denying snowflake position and frankly, it's hilarious. It's OK though, I've been doing this for decades, this calling out "environmentalists" to walk the talk and, goddam, they're sure full of excuses as to why they shouldn't or won't.

99.9% of the time when it comes to lifestyle vs environment, lifestyle wins, environment looses.

First you had Extinction Rebellion messing with your roads and bridges, now they're messing with your airports, pretty much begging the government to shout you and your energy intensive ways down, under the guise of "having a conversation" of course.

But if you want to go from vacation locally to living in caves I suppose you could always vacation locally, in a cave.
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I'm a sucker for the toxic waste pond in Russia. The bright blue color makes for a dramatic and beautiful backdrop. All the best instagrammers know not to actually touch the water.
That's a great location, do you ever dress in colours that compliment the location ? I've found that works really well especially if you're going to do yoga poses.

One of my favourites are those recycling villages in Ghana. You know the ones where the air is full of toxic black smoke because they're burning those computers you dropped off at the recycling center.

I like to take my own computer with me and get some shots of the thing being recycled. It's like I'm helping improve the economy of a third world country by taking them work...yay me.

Sometimes I have to photoshop smiles onto the faces of the workers though.
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That's a great location, do you ever dress in colours that compliment the location ? I've found that works really well especially if you're going to do yoga poses.

One of my favourites are those recycling villages in Ghana. You know the ones where the air is full of toxic black smoke because they're burning those computers you dropped off at the recycling center.

I like to take my own computer with me and get some shots of the thing being recycled. It's like I'm helping improve the economy of a third world country by taking them work...yay me.

Sometimes I have to photoshop smiles onto the faces of the workers though.
At least you're not stealing their childhoods.
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Huh. I doubt we'll ever resolve the question of whether Thunberg is a brave campaigner or deeply disturbed. However, it seems she's somewhat derivative:
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A reasonable statement regarding reducing AGW.
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Was reading a Guardian article the other day that blamed malaria deaths on climate change.
Indeed. There is excellent evidence of changes in disease trends down to ongoing changes in climate as well as other medical conditions exacerbated,. directly or indirectly, by climate change.
Originally Posted by Misha Coleman
There are absolutely people dying climate-related deaths, [especially due to] heat stress right now.
Including hundreds of deaths in Australia. A situation that will get far worse as the territory of disease spreading insects and animals increases; just look at the spread of Q fever around Townsville.
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Indeed. There is excellent evidence of changes in disease trends down to ongoing changes in climate as well as other medical conditions exacerbated,. directly or indirectly, by climate change.

Including hundreds of deaths in Australia. A situation that will get far worse as the territory of disease spreading insects and animals increases; just look at the spread of Q fever around Townsville.
Well it is indirectly isn't it

Most things seem to be.

Warmer weather more bugs means more disease.

Which is direct?

Old people and heat stroke I might give a bow to but not much else.
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post

Old people and heat stroke I might give a bow to but not much else.


I've got to say though, if I was planning on getting old I'd be hedging my bets and getting that aircon unit just in case the politicians and Thunberg's young people fail to get this whole carbon emission thing under control.
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
Well it is indirectly isn't it

Most things seem to be.

Warmer weather more bugs means more disease.

Which is direct?

Old people and heat stroke I might give a bow to but not much else.

It is directly due to warming. Indirect effects would be the effects on coral due to ocean acidification.
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Thunberg tweets:

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Over 7,5 million people in over 180 countries joined the #climatestrike !We told world leaders to unite behind the science and take action now.
They didnít listen.
So we go on, every Friday. The next global climate strike is Nov 29, and we need everyone to join!
#fridaysforfuture
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Thunberg tweets:
Aside from the usual slapfighting, this does raise a couple of interesting practical questions. How does one join #climatestrike?

Is it simply a matter of posting the hashtag on the appointed day? Did you have to show up at a specific place and sign in? Who tabulated all those millions? Who forwarded the total to Greta?
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Aside from the usual slapfighting, this does raise a couple of interesting practical questions. How does one join #climatestrike?

Is it simply a matter of posting the hashtag on the appointed day? Did you have to show up at a specific place and sign in? Who tabulated all those millions? Who forwarded the total to Greta?
A Google search would have answered this question in 0.48 seconds, but would not have addressed the sarcasm.
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Originally Posted by EHocking View Post
A Google search would have answered this question in 0.48 seconds, but would not have addressed the sarcasm.
And therefore would have been of no interest to the poster who actually had no interest in the answer.
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Originally Posted by Stout View Post
I swear...Great. I mean, your Honour. It's not my fault, I just couldn't help myself.

Did you see what she was wearing ?

Private Villas, floating breakfasts, shopping, waterfalls, island hopping, doing yoga, healthy food,infinity pools, bathtubs with flowers floating on the water, massage, and they even have a swing made especially for the 'gram. And she's super cheap.

Who could resist THAT ?

Does that have anything to do with the topic in any way at all? No, no it doesn't.
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