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Old 11th September 2019, 09:54 AM   #41
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Originally Posted by Matthew Best View Post
This fits the rules as far as I am concerned.
You are not applying the standards as described by the Darwin Awards. If you want to claim that this guy wins a People that Matthew Best Thinks Are Gits for Dying, go ahead. But this is unambiguously not a Darwin Award candidate because of the push. And nobody cares about what you think the rules should be but aren't actually.
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Old 11th September 2019, 10:16 AM   #42
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
You are not applying the standards as described by the Darwin Awards.
Those are the rules of the Darwin Awards.
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Old 11th September 2019, 10:22 AM   #43
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Originally Posted by Matthew Best View Post
This fits the rules as far as I am concerned.

1. Out of gene pool - check.
2. Misapplication of judgment - check
3. Cause one's own demise - check
4. Capable of sound judgment - check
5. Event is true - check.

Person A does something to person B, ergo person B was the cause of it? I hate the over-used phrase 'victim blaming' but in this case it seems to fit.
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And where was the misapplication of judgement?

Does the guy who gets pushed in front of a moving subway car get dinged for a misapplication of judgement? Even though there must be thousands of people safely using that platform every day?

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ETA: This feels more like the guy was wrong to be endorsing a bull run in the first place, so he deserves the blame for any misfortune that befalls him.

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Old 11th September 2019, 12:07 PM   #45
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Originally Posted by Matthew Best View Post
Those are the rules of the Darwin Awards.
And you're applying them incorrectly.

BTW, that death also fails the uncommon excellence requirement.
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I tried to warn Matthew Best but he wouldn't have it. This is such a glaring misinterpretation of the qualifiers that it needs to have it's own award.

As I hinted, and theprestige has suggested, this smacks more being anti-bull run.
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Easy to cheat. The person only needs a connection between you and the rail. Then if they fall the rope will stop them.
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Old 12th September 2019, 02:19 AM   #48
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Who died?
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Old 12th September 2019, 02:39 AM   #49
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
And where was the misapplication of judgement?
Hello? He was a spectator at a bull run!
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Old 12th September 2019, 04:16 AM   #50
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Originally Posted by Matthew Best View Post
Hello? He was a spectator at a bull run!
The actual rule is "The candidate must suffer an astounding lapse of judgment."

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It takes a phenomenal failure of common sense to earn a Darwin Award. Common idiocies like Russian Roulette, not wearing a lifejacket, sleeping with a smoldering cigarette: such are not sufficient to win this dubious distinction. OTOH playing Russian Roulette with land mines(ref) jumping on a whale carcass in a shark feeding frenzy(ref) or sneaking a cigarette while hanging off the back of a speeding bus(ref)...just might win you a Darwin Award.
Merely being one of the spectators at a bull run clearly doesn't make the cut, if playing Russian Roulette doesn't.
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Old 12th September 2019, 07:29 AM   #51
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Merely being one of the spectators at a bull run clearly doesn't make the cut, if playing Russian Roulette doesn't.
In fact, even being one of the runners at a bull run won't cut it. What would it take? From the official website:
"If you are gored to death during the "Running of the Bulls" while riding naked in a shopping cart piloted by your drunken friend, you are a candidate for a Darwin Award."
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Originally Posted by rjh01 View Post
Easy to cheat. The person only needs a connection between you and the rail. Then if they fall the rope will stop them.
I think the rope (which you can spot near the end of the video) was just held by someone walking alongside the rider. So, it wasn't as reckless as it might have seemed at first. But, still pretty impressive (and a little stupid, but not Darwin Award stupid).

Edit: if the person holding the rope somehow got killed during the stunt, that might qualify.

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Easy to cheat. The person only needs a connection between you and the rail. Then if they fall the rope will stop them.
Yeah, I suppose, if taking a rational precaution is "cheating". Kinda like how tightrope walkers or trapeze artists who use nets are "cheating"?
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Easy to cheat. The person only needs a connection between you and the rail. Then if they fall the rope will stop them.
Originally Posted by jadebox View Post
I think the rope (which you can spot near the end of the video) was just held by someone walking alongside the rider. So, it wasn't as reckless as it might have seemed at first. But, still pretty impressive (and a little stupid, but not Darwin Award stupid).

Edit: if the person holding the rope somehow got killed during the stunt, that might qualify.
Thanks for pointing that out. I must have missed the rope when I saw the video, and didn't really consider that they were probably doing something like that. I did pause to wonder if they might be wearing a parachute, but a rope would probably be more practical. I'd want several strong men to be holding that rope, not just one guy.
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
Yeah, I suppose, if taking a rational precaution is "cheating". Kinda like how tightrope walkers or trapeze artists who use nets are "cheating"?

The difference is that the net is visible to everyone. In this case the rope is not easily visible.
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Man drowns during underwater marriage proposal


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An American man has drowned while proposing to his girlfriend underwater on holiday in Tanzania.

Steven Weber and his girlfriend, Kenesha Antoine, were staying in a submerged cabin at the Manta Resort, off Pemba Island.

Footage shows Mr Weber diving under water to ask Ms Antoine to marry him.

In the video, Mr Weber presses a hand-written proposal note against the cabin window as Ms Antoine films from inside.

Ms Antoine, confirming Mr Weber's death in a Facebook post, said he "never emerged from those depths".
Ooops.
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Is that a Darwin award, or just bad luck? Doesn't that kind of depend on the cause of death? Diving underwater isn't by itself remarkable, and I don't see why the proposal added significant risk. So what about it makes it award worthy?
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I'm always quite happy to see a dead raccoon. I hate those things.
Wow, wonder what your feelings were watching the Guardian of the Galaxies movies and the last two Avenger movies?
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Idiiots and explosives always scare me;probably a lot more then the average person.
Having been a Redleg ...Artilleryman..in the US Army has a lot to do with that.
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Is that a Darwin award, or just bad luck? Doesn't that kind of depend on the cause of death? Diving underwater isn't by itself remarkable, and I don't see why the proposal added significant risk. So what about it makes it award worthy?
I would suggest that since diving under water is not, by itself, remarkable, and since the couple involved were already obviously a couple, renting an underwater vacation cabin and all, a person who manages to drown (presuming that he was not eaten by a shark or something) is worthy of a Darwin award for undertaking an unnecessarily dramatic romantic task for which he was, quite clearly, not suited.
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"An Isis fighter was killed by his own drone bomb when the hapless jihadi forgot to charge the device's batteries - sending it straight back to him when its power ran low."

We learned this idiot had wired up his drone with explosives but was killed when its batteries ran low and it flew home."

"With a weak signal for some reason it detonated over his head."
Don't know if that one's true but a similar incident did happen in Afghanistan in 2001. A JTAC attached to a group of US special forces and Afghan security forces inadvertently called down a 2000lb JDAM (a GPS-guided bomb) onto his own position when he changed his designator unit's batteries. The unit was programmed to reinitialise with its own GPS coordinates on a battery change. That does seem rather a significant design flaw in a unit supposed to be used for directing very large lumps of free falling high explosive.

Maybe the jihadi's GPS thingy reinitialised with it's own position too?
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I would suggest that since diving under water is not, by itself, remarkable, and since the couple involved were already obviously a couple, renting an underwater vacation cabin and all, a person who manages to drown (presuming that he was not eaten by a shark or something) is worthy of a Darwin award for undertaking an unnecessarily dramatic romantic task for which he was, quite clearly, not suited.
Without a cause of death, it's not at all clear that he was unsuited to what he was doing.

I'll give you an example. Scuba diving is a fairly safe activity. There's some risk, but it's not that high. And it's certainly well within the ordinary risks that people willingly take in order to do something fun, and which the Darwin Awards specifically says doesn't qualify.

But if you get a pneumothorax (collapsed lung) while you're scuba diving, that can kill you, quick. There's almost nothing that can be done if you develop one under water (there's lots you can do and much less danger on dry land), and they can occur spontaneously. So if someone dies of a pneumothorax while scuba diving, that's not a Darwin award. That's just bad luck.

Now I'm not saying I think this guy died of a pneumothorax. I've got no idea how he died. But that's sort of the point: without that knowledge, there's no way we can evaluate his qualifications for the award.
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Don't know if that one's true but a similar incident did happen in Afghanistan in 2001. A JTAC attached to a group of US special forces and Afghan security forces inadvertently called down a 2000lb JDAM (a GPS-guided bomb) onto his own position when he changed his designator unit's batteries. The unit was programmed to reinitialise with its own GPS coordinates on a battery change. That does seem rather a significant design flaw in a unit supposed to be used for directing very large lumps of free falling high explosive.

Maybe the jihadi's GPS thingy reinitialised with it's own position too?
Modern commercial and retail drones literally "return to base" when their battery power drops below a certain level. With the really expensive models, it calculates how much battery power it needs to get back from where it is to where it was launched from, and when that level is reached, it ignores further RC inputs and heads for home.
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No. Whether or not it's stupid to be a spectator at a bull run, it still fails the self-selection test because of the push.

He self-selected by being there in the first place.

The same thing could be said of someone who was pushed into traffic on a city street.
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Putting this here because I don't know where else to put it.

Boyfriends Sued Over Man’s Death From Silicone Genital Injections
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Boyfriends Sued Over Man’s Death From Silicone Genital Injections
Maybe in the thread in which we discussed the case?
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Ah, missed that one. Last post was in May, so it's fallen well off the front page since then. My only thought was, my god, how stupid can you get? So I thought in terms of Darwin Award.

As to the mother's lawsuit, I don't know if she has a good case. Her son was a grown man, and free to make his own choices, however foolish they might be.

However, she might have grounds if what he did was illegal. Just as if his dom had given him a lethal dose of illegal drugs.

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The five men worked hard to make their bodies as large as possible, lifting weights for multiple hours a day and eating vast amounts. In pursuit of a sexual fetish for huge genitals, they would inject their penises and testicles with saline to temporarily enlarge them. They would later graduate to using silicone to permanently engorge their genitals. The latter procedure is both illegal and dangerous, and it proved lethal for Tank. He died of a pulmonary embolism induced by his injections in October 2018.

Dylan never notified Linda or Ben Chapman of Tank’s illness, hospitalization, or death, according to the complaint, and he presented himself as having legal authority over Tank’s remains, which were cremated. Tank spent a week in the hospital, part of it in a coma, but his mother would not learn of his fate until a week after his death, the complaint states.
Say for example, that a dom and a sub are engaging in consensual breath play. The dom accidentally kills the sub. Would that not be some kind of homicide? At least manslaughter. Certain extreme fetishes are inherently dangerous.
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